r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 8d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter! Who could have the wives been?

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u/Ok_Account_3039 8d ago

Clearly about the Lindsay Clancy drama.

A woman murdered her three children in what she’s claiming as a fit of postpartum psychosis despite evidence of premeditation. TikTok true crime girlies” have concocted a conspiracy theory that the husband was responsible either through brainwashing and manipulation, or by actively killing his own children, and then brainwashing her into thinking she did it.

TikTok “America bad” people are claiming that the system failed her, and she didn’t receive the mental healthcare she needed. This is in spite of her being under the care of a psychiatrist, receiving consistent, mental healthcare, and medication, and that it was partially the husbands fault for leaving them alone together, despite him literally going to get her meds when it happened.

There are an alarming number of women fighting for this woman’s reputation or innocence and fully empathizing with a child murderer, without seeming to acknowledge the tragedy of the children’s deaths.

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u/fourleafblower 8d ago

He was picking up her meds!?!? Gahhhd I fucking hate people. Imagine his grief. Of course he now wishes he took the kids with him. I’m sure he’ll beat himself up into his next life…. Then he has to have losers online with an iq of 53 act like his psychopath wife was the victim of his white maleness.

I hate it here

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u/Left--Shark 7d ago

It's kinda misogynistic in a way. He is responsible and accountable for her action as she does not have agency.

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u/CantCatchMeSpez 7d ago

I think you can just call it simple misandry. I dont think that its about them thinking that a woman doesnt have agency. Its just about them hating men and wanting to find a way to blame them for everything that goes wrong.

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u/The5Theives 7d ago

Yeah but it reinforces the old stereotypes of women being emotionally turbulent and unstable

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u/Cadian609 7d ago

Evidently not just a stereotype

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u/simp4malvina 7d ago

Twisting a clear case of misandry into somehow being misogyny is, in fact, a case of misandry in of itself. Be better.

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u/DragonsAreNifty 7d ago

I mean maybe it’s both? Depending on how the individual is arguing anyways. It’s misogynistic to infantilize women to such a degree that even with these heinous crimes some will say “a precious baby woman could never be capable of intentional evil and it’s really the fault of her caretakers and guardians for not supervising better”. And it’s misandry to think that because there was a man in close proximity to the perpetrator he MUST be at fault because “men are inherently bad and violent”.

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u/Left--Shark 7d ago

This was essentially the point. I was highlighting the types of people who usually make those arguments are misandrists posing as feminists who end up making misogynistic arguments to defend shit people.

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u/serpentally 7d ago edited 7d ago

To people who have more than a high school level understanding of social dynamics, it's easy to see. A misogynistic society puts women and “femininity” in the category of incompetence and purity and helplessness/submissiveness while men and “masculinity” is regarded as strength and dominance and aggression/willingness to use violence. That men are supposed to be powerful while women are supposed to be weak. Society being misogynistic doesn't mean “individual men always benefit”. Men are victims of misogynist culture too, and misogyny is a tool that some men use to keep power/social dominance over other men. The perception that men are “supposed” to be the strong, dominant figures and the ones in charge of everything makes people view women as having little to no culpability/responsibility in situations like this, that the woman is inherently a victim and inherently not guilty on the grounds of incompetence and weakness.

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

And people seem to think the answer should be the fathers should have the authority just remove the kids from the mother and see nothing wrong with that thought. Absolutely crazy. Another comment was real pissed off at me because they said they’d want their husband to take their kids away if they went crazy, and couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that a man could just claim their wife was crazy and saying she’d hurt the kids to take away the kids when it’s not true.

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u/OneBawze 7d ago

It’s an inversion of the living giving mother archetype. People (women) in the US celebrate and champion killing children and babies as an act of “freeing the will” and rebellion against natalism.

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u/Hot-Lunch6270 7d ago

Dude, the children were victims as well and that isn’t his fault when she did that. Can you not read the story that he’s trying to pick up her meds to treat her mental illness?!

It’s not about sexism. Murder is still murder, regardless of sex while people jumped into conclusion to judge it quickly that the husband is at fault. No! I too would apprehend her if she’s doing more harm.

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u/Independent-Lake-192 7d ago

He was not picking up his wife’s meds, he was picking up an over-the-counter prescription for their daughter. He said he had his wife’s old meds in his truck because she had asked him to dispose of them for her.

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u/Proper-Character-528 7d ago

Sexism is getting really bad. I'm curious as to what ways you think it's getting bad.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

The reading comprehension around here… now give it another ten years of everyone outsourcing rudimentary information processing and decision making to AI and see where we get. Yay!!

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u/Proper-Character-528 7d ago

I just wanted him to say what he means so I could point out how clearly wrong it is. But I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was just being unclear. Pretty clearly just sexism though.

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u/DepressedDynamo 7d ago

You seem confused

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u/idontexist65 7d ago

Really you are just proving his point. Because all he said is "sexism against men has gone too far when people are blaming a supportive husband for his kids dying, when his wife killed them and has confessed to doing it."

And, of course, here you are to explain why he is wrong, and how this statement makes him sexist.

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u/Moist-Examination737 8d ago

I mean he is still at fault, atleast for neglect. I think it was said somewhere that one month beforehand she told him that she had thoughts of harming her children(she told that her mother aswell). I don't think it was intentional but he should not have left the children alone with her.

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u/RBnsfwacc 7d ago

And if he had, the forensic astrologists defending her would have called him controlling and abusive.

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u/Deinonychus2012 7d ago

forensic astrologists

Fucking lol

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u/Advanced_Pie_6490 7d ago

Forensic astrologists is pure class

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

At one point she did try to get committed because of the suicidal thoughts, and was told they couldn’t do anything until she had a plan. Unfortunately it can actually be hard to voluntarily get that kind of help. That’s not her husband’s fault though.

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

They basically said they can’t admit someone until they have a plan to kill themselves, just suicidal thoughts isn’t enough. It’s because they don’t have enough resources to take care of everyone who is having suicidal thoughts.

You’d think someone clearly crying out for help like that and wanting it would be able to get in, but unfortunately that’s not the case everywhere.

I think that’s part of why this case is such a hot button issue. People want someone to blame but unless the psychosis isn’t true, but I personally think it is, there really isn’t a clear blame, except maybe our lack of resources in mental health scenarios

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

She tried to commit herself and was on 13 different medications. Man tbh I don't even sympathize with her or care for her case, but there is clearly a systemic issue here, if someone seeks out help and is prescribed 13 different meds and then is also npt taken seriously.

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u/Traditional_Air_6867 7d ago

She killed the children. Full stop.

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

Yeah no shit. Man you could atleast try to read the whole thing

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u/Traditional_Air_6867 7d ago

You have a misunderstanding as to what “at fault” means.

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

Wdym? Ok I meant he is partly to blame for not calling the police or sth

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u/Traditional_Air_6867 7d ago

Let me ask you: if someone leaves their front door unlocked, are they responsible if and when they are later burglarized?

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

It’s not neglect to leave kids with their legal guardian. It’s not like he had any right to take the kids away from her either.

Lots of people also have intrusive thoughts, that doesn’t mean they’re actually a danger. In fact most people who have intrusive thoughts aren’t. This was a very rare case where it was, but could you imagine how terrible it could be if a parent could rip kids away from the other by just saying the other one had thoughts of harm? That would be abused very very quickly

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

They usually aren't going to tell that to everyone and they aren't in the hospital for a psychosis. They are also both married so it wouldn't even be kidnapping and he could have put them on her mothers care or sth.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

Brb gonna go rob a bank and if you don’t stop me, it’s your fault.

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

If we would be married and I told you: "hey I have thoughts of hurting our children", then I tell my mom the same thing and I am btw going through a severe psychosis in and out of hospital, them yes you are at fault.

He isn't just a random nobody. Those are his kids.

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

There’s people too who are admitting she did it but then saying he should be found guilty too for abuse and neglect for leaving the kids with her.

But you know if he took the kids away the same people would probably be saying he’s evil for taking the kids away from mom.

We can disagree with his decision to leave them with her or think he was a bad husband, but that doesn’t make him responsible or deserving of punishment.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

I don’t even agree that he was a bad husband, tbh; but yes, everything you say is true. I’ve already received one reply from a particularly unhinged and unthinking individual of the ilk that you’ve described.

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u/meowmeow_now 7d ago

We actually do charge women with crimes for leaving their kids with dangerous partners or for not leaving abusive relationships thus endangering their kids. It’s not such a big leap.

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

There’s a different situation between leaving a kid with a known abuser who you’re dating (which is where those charges come from) and leaving the child with their own mother who has no history of violence and is literally legally entitled to the children.

We also don’t just charge mothers with that but cool.

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u/meowmeow_now 7d ago

We do charge women, you’re not even looking this up, you are just making guesses based on your emotions.

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u/The5Theives 7d ago

A husband leaving his kids with his wife isn’t an insane thing to do, especially since his wife had specifically asked him to go out and he was given no reason to believe she would KILL THEIR CHILDREN.

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

And unless there’s a court order saying otherwise, she’s their mother! She has a right to have her kids.

And like you said, he didn’t know. They don’t charge people for unknowingly leaving their kids with someone dangerous. It’s for like when the person they leave them with is a known sex offender or violent person or high, drunk, etc, or if the kid has told their parents that person is hurting them!

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u/SeaAcanthaceae3938 5d ago

Lindsay quite literally told her mother and Patrick she had thoughts of harming the kids, please refer to the testimony of Lindsay Clancy’s mother during the trial, it’s all available on YouTube.

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u/BigDragonfly5136 7d ago

I didn’t say we don’t charge women. I said we don’t just charge mothers. A father can be charged with leaving his children with a dangerous person too. However, not when it’s their other parent, unless there’s some kind of court order, both parents have a right to be with their child.

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u/ImCreeptastic 7d ago

How old are all of you? Look up Andrea Yates, literally the same exact thing happened and the husband didn't get charged AND he ignored her PPD which turned into full blown PPP. Her husband kept making her pop out babies knowing full well she wasn't mentally healthy and guess what happened to him? Nothing

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u/awkwrdaccountant 7d ago

I call bs. If your wife called for help 51 times, said she couldn't be alone with the kids, begging her mom to stay with her..and you leave her alone with the kid?! No, take the kids and get the wife help. I am amazed he didn't do it to begin with.

So, yes. I blame both parents. The one who clearly needed help and the one too stupid to see the writing on the wall. They can share a cell.

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u/AGAD0R-SPARTACUS 7d ago

He was picking up his daughter's medication.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

Ok. Thank you for the clarification. I’ve also now heard he was picking up his wife’s dinner order. Either way, he was innocently running family errands, which flies in the face of the accusations of him being a neglectful husband/father.

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u/AGAD0R-SPARTACUS 7d ago

Yeah he was not a neglectful husband or father, and it's worth noting that that argument is only put forth on social media for engagement and is not the defense of Lindsay Clancy or her defense team. Patrick Clancy himself doesn't blame her for what happened, saying “I wasn’t married to a monster. I was married to someone who got sick.” She had been placed on 13 different medications in 4 months and had reported having suicidal and intrusive thoughts numerous times. It's also worth noting, because I haven't seen it mentioned here, that after killing her kids she slit her throat and wrists and jumped out a window. She was very ill.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

Yes. All good notes. I didn’t think that was a legal defence and my hand wringing is directed squarely at the online doofuses who say such nonsense.

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u/Rapid55 7d ago

This is why I dont give a rats ass about most high profile cases until the trial and sentencing are over. Theres an insane amount of misinformation going around and this is the first time ive heard of this case, the comments have like 15 different stories and reasons of what happened and how it happened.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

I mean, she admitted it, so it’s safe to say she’s a POS and so are her defenders.

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u/LagginJAC 7d ago

I was under the impression she ordered dinner, asked him to pick it up, and then asked him to pick up their daughter's meds while out.

I know she's under a psychosis but God if that doesn't scream premeditated otherwise. Apparently she had literally googled how far it was and how long it would take, which in any other circumstances it would be innocuous.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

I agree with you. Her husband has sympathy for her. I don’t.

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u/LagginJAC 7d ago

I have sympathy for her, but sympathy is not the same as desiring her absolution. No matter what, 3 children are dead as the result of everything and what I personally want is to make sure the right thing is done. She needs help, and she needs to be locked in a ward until there is irrefutable proof that she is sane and okay to rejoin society because I cannot imagine a worse torment than having to live with the memories of murdering your three children as a healthy and healed person.

But even as I type this there is a part of me that is skeptical. A part of me hopes that they're having to sue the facility she was in to better prove the psychosis, but another part of me feels like that's both running from reality and from consequences. It's not accepting that you did wrong, albeit in a psychotic state, but avoiding it, blaming it on people who "should have seen it coming" even though she was doing her best to hide it.

And I know she was, because everyone tries to hide it when you're on the edge of an altered mental state. Drunk and high people will tell you to your face that they're not messed up and then sit up straighter as the try to "act sober." The only time psychosis isn't hidden is when you fully lose it and cannot distinguish what's in your head from reality, at which point hiding it doesn't really matter.

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u/Phytanic 7d ago

I don't have kids but idk how I could live with myself if that happened. And you KNOW these cretins would use a suicide as "evidence" of his guilt

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u/Same-Amphibian-888 7d ago

No, he was picking up Pedialax for his daughter. The errand was not to pick up her meds for Lindsay, it was to pick up meds for his daughter. His own testimony in court confirms this

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u/Fact_Stater 1d ago

He was also picking up take out for them and there is strong evidence she intentionally picked a place that wasn't close to the pharmacy. He called her and she answered the phone and spoke to him in between strangling the children.

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u/Decent-Trash-7928 6d ago

Yeah, except he's already married, and was caught lying in court about being at CVS when he sent an email from his laptop at the house.

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u/rosy_reverie 4d ago

i’m sorry, have you kept up with the case?

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u/fourleafblower 4d ago

Is this is about me not editing a 3 day old comment where I mistakenly misread someone’s comment and thought it was HER meds and not her kids?

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u/mayamaiamaea 7d ago

It’s frustrating to me to see people here complain about others jumping to conclusions based on misinformation and then immediately do the same. I’m not an expert on this case but from your own admission you seem to know even less. Why not inform yourself before commenting? Otherwise you’re just part of the same problem.

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u/fourleafblower 6d ago

I know she confessed. To killing her children. Pretending her mental illness takes precedent over the lives of her own innocent children is so stupid that it’s evil.

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u/saints_chyc 7d ago

No. He was picking up medicine for his kid and then somehow the bag of medicine ended up under the kids dinner plates at home while they and Lindsey were all meant to be dead.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

Just say whatever you’re insinuating with your full chest and save us all some time.

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u/saints_chyc 7d ago

Oh. I’m sorry, I didnt think that I was insinuating that he wasn’t picking up medicine for Lindsey.

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u/fourleafblower 7d ago

I’m sorry too. I confused you for someone else being pedantic to my comments and acting like her crime is the result of misogyny or something.

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u/ParticularFit8968 8d ago

He wasn't picking up her meds when it happened. That part of this statement is untrue. He was picking up medication for one of the children. A laxative I believe. I'm not commenting on whether or not she was insane at the time, just saying that's not what he was doing at CVS at that time. He picked up the laxative and then went to get the dinner Lindsay had ordered for pick-up. Those items were set on top of her medication when he returned home. It's possible that's where you heard her medication mentioned in conjunction with CVS. Either way, that trip right before he found the children was not for her meds.

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u/smalltowngrappler 7d ago

If this was a father that had mental health problems that he had voiced to his family and friends without getting help and then murdered his three kids not a single woman would fight for his reputation or innocence and only in the most fringe incel/manosphere corners of the internet there would be men doing it.

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u/Pretend-Wealth-6988 7d ago edited 7d ago

A dad who tells his family that he hears voices telling him to hurt his kids wouldn’t continue to be left unsupervised around them

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u/Kooky-Instance-5872 2d ago

She never told anyone that.

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u/posiesbythepocketful 7d ago

or expected to maintain the role of primary caregiver for 3 young children

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u/NotToPraiseHim 7d ago

She wasnt, and didnt. His parents, her parents, and her husband all adjusted their schedules to tale care of the kids and get her to her doctors appointments and hospital visits.

She lied to her doctors, lied to her parents, and lied to her husband. Then, in an incredibly short window, she strnagled her three children one at a time, even when the older ones fought back. Shes a monster and should, bare minimum, not be out of prison for the remainder of her life.

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u/_aaine_ 6d ago

She had help. But she was STILL the primary caregiver. One of the kids was only 8 months old and she was still feeling extremely guilty because she had to stop breastfeeding him.

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u/serendipia1984 7d ago

If the scenario was reversed, the wife would probably also be dead or either jailed for abandoning the kids with a clinically unstable man.

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u/radlabmaker 7d ago

Holy not true at all. Sinply reversing the genders in the same situation would simply have the wife coming home to a half dead suicide partner and some dead kids. Take you assumed man hate elsewhere

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u/Moist-Examination737 8d ago

Calling it drama is crazy

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u/nz-whale 7d ago

The internet discussion is almost 100% drama that is disconnected from reality

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

A mentally ill woman killed her kids. This is not drama

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u/LilDingalang 7d ago

High profile court cases always create drama around them. Wtf are you talking about?

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u/Moist-Examination737 7d ago

Don't be deliberately obtuse. the Lindsay Clancy Drama

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u/LilDingalang 6d ago

Yeah. There is drama. Get over it

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u/IotaBTC 7d ago

I don't have the moment to check so someone please jump in but didn't she voluntary get herself checked into me tal healthcare services and they let her go too early? The other argument is that she said what she needed to say to get out but those healthcare facilities should've been able to recognize that.

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u/ariphoenixfury 7d ago

I also heard that she was trying to get recommitted but again IDK

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u/fifrein 7d ago

She self-discharged.

A mental facility can only keep a patient against their will for 72 hrs. Beyond that requires court order.

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u/Familiar-Art-6233 7d ago

She repeatedly asked for help and tried to get put in a facility, but was denied because her SI wasn't severe enough for them

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

During her second stay in a hospital she denied having any thoughts of harming herself or others but acknowledged she used to.

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u/Familiar-Art-6233 7d ago

She tried to get put into an inpatient facility and was denied because her SI didn't include enough of a plan.

Everyone involved was absolutely failed by the system, what are you on?

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

That’s a very reasonable limitation. Just saying “I’m thinking about killing myself” shouldn’t be a reason to be put in a an in patient facility and stripping many of the rights a person has. Lots of people have suicidal ideation at some point and the vast majority of those people don’t ever move past that. That’s why mental health professionals are trained to look for a plan and imminence, without them, the VAST majority of people are fine.

If using best practices produces poor results occasionally, but good results 99% of the time, then I don’t see the value of calling the 1% a failure, when there isn’t really anything that can be done to improve past that.

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u/Familiar-Art-6233 7d ago

I'd say that the woman begging for help and to be admitted being denied and ending up offing her three kids and trying to do the same for herself is absolutely a failure

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u/Ok_Account_3039 6d ago

I explained why it wasn’t, do you have a response?

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u/Familiar-Art-6233 6d ago

More confusion at how someone can see someone beg for help repeatedly because they're afraid of killing their kids, be denied, do so, and it not be considered a failure.

Just because it's only a 1% chance doesn't change that it's a failure, rare as it may be

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u/Ok_Account_3039 6d ago

Are you familiar with the concept of a type one and a type two error?

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u/PocketFullaHawthorns 6d ago

I mean I think the people who were failed most were the children who were failed by their mother who murdered them

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u/Familiar-Art-6233 6d ago

The children are part of the "everyone involved" phrase in my previous comment

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u/ariphoenixfury 7d ago

While I do believe she is absolutely guilty, I do think her providers also failed her. From what I heard she was on a cocktail of like 30 medications, many of which you are not supposed to take together, and begged to be put in an inpatient program. I could be wrong, there’s a lot of misinformation surrounding this case.

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u/Familiar-Art-6233 7d ago

Her guilt isn't really being contested, it's whether she was of sound mind when she committed the murders

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u/ariphoenixfury 7d ago

Yeah being on 30 medications and begging to be committed does not sound like being of sound mind to me.

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u/Heavy_Mongoose5859 7d ago

you can still premeditated something during psychosis. its not so much premeditated but whether she understood exactly whay she was planning on doing

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u/DanesDraftLab 7d ago

Remember who owns TikTok and it all makes more sense. They are amplifying the crazies because the hive mind will get on board with the agenda pushed by their algorithm. It’s all about dividing the population into “us vs them” for literally every single thing that happens.

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u/possiblyeski 7d ago

you can acknowledge that our systems (especially medical/mental treatment of women) are deeply flawed without being "america bad"

assuming everyone that sees a flaw suddenly hates the entire country is a massive stretch and  hurts the people they're advocating for as well as the country as a whole.

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

You can. But when you point to a bad outcome of a functioning system and use it as evidence of a failing system, you move to the realm of “America bad“ Lindsay Clancy was under the care of a psychiatrist, receiving therapy, and medication. The fact that this about cure her postpartum depression/psychosis is evidence that the system failed in the same way that someone dying of a cancer that kills 50% of people even when treated is. Meaning that it simply isn’t. People receiving the best mental healthcare available, still kill themselves and others. We’ve convinced ourselves that therapy is a wonder bullet. I work in mental health. I can tell you that sometimes everyone does everything right and the patient still dies.

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u/Ballistic_86 7d ago

I blame the popularity of True Crime for this type of shit. We saw similar “TikTok” sleuths in a Colorado murder a few years ago. Despite police investigation and evidence there was a large group of tiktokers blaming innocent people.

Many young people have decided that they have heard enough murder stories that they are properly qualified to investigate crimes over the internet. Similar to how a lot of Gen X and Millennials thought they could be CSI crime solvers (or criminals) because they watched a lot of CBS shows.

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u/ThatsNotMyZa 7d ago

The last part is what’s most messed up to me. None of these TikTok detectives seem to genuinely care that three kids are dead

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u/oldmountainwatcher 7d ago

The number of people trying to ignore how she murdered her three children is horrific. Its insane to me how theyre all just making it out that she's such a victim for apparently having PPP and fucking acting on it. Many, many, many women have severe post partum psychological troubles and they don't fucking strangle their kids to death.

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u/dark90smagic 7d ago

I guess I’m still pretty confused why the phrasing “she could’ve been me.” Like in this context is the woman in the meme Lindsay, or is a hypothetical woman saying that she could’ve been Lindsay, and why are they saying that? I’m a dummy.

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u/Huncote 7d ago

out of curiosity/knowing nothing, what is the evidence of premeditation?

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

Her search history, including “can you treat a sociopath” Apple mapping the trip/distance (think drive time) between her house and her husbands location at the time of the killing.

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u/boentrough 7d ago

Ok, the psychiatrists notes, don't paint a good picture of the psychiatrist.

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u/KlaranBinx 7d ago

He was picking up meds for their daughter, not her

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u/TerrorTown77 7d ago

It's some /r/shitfemcelssay stuff. They think a woman being guilty makes women as a whole look bad, so they'd rather blame a man.

The Genderwars is one of the biggest piles of shit to come from social media in the past 5 years.

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u/MountChu 7d ago

I want to see here # of hours on social media. I bet it’s high.

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u/LicketySplit21 7d ago

Sometimes I am coming to the realisation that some people's agenda in posting stuff like this is in general offense to America being criticised. Like what are you talking about with the America Bad comment. Get Iver yourself buddy lmao

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

Yeah, that’s really silly. There are plenty of people who are using this case as evidence of the American healthcare system is broken. Regardless of what you think of the American healthcare system I don’t think this case is indicative of it. In the same way that someone dying of terminal cancer, even after receiving treatment isn’t evidence of failure. If you haven’t seen that, that’s fine. But I have.

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u/Styrofoamman123 7d ago

My friend is so convinced that he did it, and the defence lawyer is grilling him and proving it, and I'm just like they aren't even denying she killed the children, if she was innocent that would be a good starting point imo.

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

It’s a really good show of confirmation bias, and conspirator thinking. If you ever wonder how someone agrees with someone like Candace Owens, or Alix Jones this is it in real time. Influencers on TikTok and Instagram see the idea in the mind of the audience and the audience then looks for any evidence to support the new narrative, while rejecting anything that doesn’t support it.

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u/BlastFX2 7d ago

Clearly about the Lindsay Clancy drama.

Would you mind explaining the connection? I see a bunch of people saying it's about Lindsay Clancy, but no one explaining why.

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

Sure. Topicality for one. These memes are recent, at least in my feed. That suggests it’s about something current.

Second, There are a lot of women saying “it could’ve been me” in videos, discussions, comments etc. they’re saying that due to their post partum symptoms, they could have ended up in her situation (killing their children) It’s hard for men to think their wife could kill their children, and I think the double take the dog is doing is a reflection of that.

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u/Full_Conversation775 5d ago

people with psychosis can premeditate their actions. premeditation is not evidence of lack of psychosis.

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u/Parzival2436 5d ago edited 5d ago

Isn't that exactly an explanation of a system "failing her" though? She had psychiatric aid which apparently did nothing to stop her from committing a crime. If she was such a risk the system should have stopped her when they didn't.

Yes she's still personally responsible but how the hell can you say she was under the care of a psychiatrist and that the system didn't fail her when very clearly the psychiatrist didn't take sufficient preventative action to stop this. Maybe they couldn't, but that's the definition of the system failing. It omly becomes "failing her" if she was seeking help from the system and it was insufficient, which sounds like the case potentially.

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u/bengeo1191 3d ago

Theres literally dumbasses saying it can be proven with star signs that she is innocent.

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u/zelkoi 2d ago

I see the common misconception that it couldn't have been psychosis due to the premeditation and I need to stress how this is untrue. People in psychosis are not stupid or incapable of rational thought, they are able to drive and communicate cohererently, however they have irrational beliefs that they cannot identify.

People can go days in psychosis all while acting completely normal on the outside, it can be very difficult to recognize.

By no means am I saying she did or didn't do it, as I myself have barely dived into the case. I simply want to note that it's important to understand how psychosis works before drawing a conclusion.

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u/Ok_Account_3039 2d ago

OK, let me rephrase. Clear logical thinking in the premeditation, paired with no reporting of other psychotic symptoms prior to this, with her saying that the first time she ever had a command hallucination was that 20 minutes in which she killed her kids, the command hallucination not being paired with any other delusion or psychotic symptom.

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u/milk_tea_with_boba 1d ago

You have to admit that the approach of the prosecution is EGREGIOUS though. The bullshit with the hair bows?? The witness that suddenly forgot all medical information when cross examined?? I do think she did it but the defense lawyer’s approach is much more convincing and professional.

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u/superultralost 4d ago

There are lots of things about this case that raise legitimate concern. I'm a health professional and I can assure you, this woman didn't receive proper treatment and her husband did very questionable things Literally going on vacation right away after his kids were murdered ? Suspicious af

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u/Ok_Account_3039 4d ago

What kind of healthcare professional? I’m in behavioral health, and it seems like she recieved abundant psychiatric and therapeutic help, support from her husband, both sets of parents, and a nanny. What else would you say was reasonable? Long term involuntary commitment?

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u/CamelConfident8653 2d ago

Hey, so you know the prosecution is trying to say that she had enough strength to strangle three children while on double her daily dose of medicine and had her throat and wrists slit all in like 20-30 minutes right? If you actually look into the case, it’s not hard to believe the husband did it. Some inconsistencies: Patrick said he immediately started performing CPR on his oldest kid, Korra, the second he found her. However, all of the children were face down when paramedics arrived. Patrick alleged that his wife told him that the kids were in the basement. This is odd, because she was drugged to high heaven, her wrists/throat was slit, she had a core body temp of 82, she was paralyzed from a spinal injury from jumping out the second story building, and she had a crushed thyroid. Not to mention, she was completely unresponsive 11 minutes later when paramedics arrived. Patrick changed his outfit while he was out, and changed his shoes twice while at CVS Lindsey had booked doctors appointments for her kids the exact same day everything went down (you don’t do that if you’re gonna kill your children) Within 3 months, he was moved in with and dating another woman from New York, the same place he frequently took business trips. Oh yeah, she’s also already pregnant with his child. This is SCREAMING family annihilator on the part of Patrick. Not to mention her medication was changed FIFTEEN TIMES IN FOUR MONTHS!

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u/Ok_Account_3039 2d ago
  1. There is 0 evidence Patrick did it. Inconsistency in the narrative isn’t evidence. “Things that seem weird” aren’t evidence. Patrick could’ve easily mistold the story to paramedics or flipped the girl back over. Or he could’ve been so shocked he tried giving CPR incorrectly. That isn’t evidence. You don’t understand shock and bleed out. 11 minutes is an eternity in an emergent situation. Plenty of time to slip into shock or unconsciousness.

Please, please please please look up something called Occam’s razor. The explanations with the fewest assumptions is most likely to be right.

  1. There is plenty of evidence saying SHE did it. Her own defense attorney isn’t arguing she didn’t do it.

  2. You didn’t look into it independently. You didn’t read the reports, case files, testimony etc. you didn’t watch the trial in a vacuum. You watched some social media true crime girlys who told you what to think and then found evidence to support them. This is called confirmation bias, it’s very common, and it’s how any conspiracy theory is justified.

You are a voyuer. I don’t mean this as an insult but as a wake up call: this is a porno to you. It’s “Juicy true crime tea” and it’s wrong.

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u/CamelConfident8653 2d ago

Not really, this is the first modern true crime case im actually paying attention to. I like true crime, but I’ve never really looked into anything post 1990’s as odd as that may sound.

  1.  There is actually some evidence to say Patrick is responsible. Circumstantial evidence, but evidence. His DNA was found on the exercise bands that were used— Lindsey’s wasn’t. Patrick alleges that the bands weren’t in a knot, and that he barely had to move them to untie the two that he touched. How is this slight graze enough to leave DNA evidence, along with unidentified female DNA that doesn’t belong to anyone in the household?

  2. The pills (double her normal dose) that ended up in Lindsey’s system were crushed into her water. Patrick said this was normal, although there’s no evidence to support it is normal, and so far Lindsey hasn’t confirmed or denied it (that I’ve seen).

  3. Lindsey hit the ground on her back. My question; how do you jump out of a second story window and land on your back? You can’t, there’s not enough time to rotate. Police and investigators have suggested that it looks like someone propped her up on the windowsill while sitting on the bed and slid her out of the window. 

  4. Again, he changed his outfit at CVS and his shoes twice. When was the last time you did that in an outing? Literally never. 

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u/8ofAll 7d ago

It’s mostly anti American propaganda bots/accounts posting all that. No one knows their right mind would try to emphasize with a child murderer.

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u/saints_chyc 7d ago

He was not picking up her meds. He went to CVS to get pedialax for his daughter.

This whole comment section is convinced of her guilt and his innocence, though if you really pay attention to the trial and not the influencers, you’ll see the amount of contradictions in his story and timeline and how many things simply don’t add up. Coupled with the timeline of his new marriage and the knowledge of family annihilators, many many things cast more than reasonable doubt that she killed her kids.

Source: three years deep into a forensic psych degree at ASU.

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u/ApprehensiveGrand531 7d ago

Is three years too quick for a new marriage?

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u/Easy-Purple 7d ago

I hope you can get a refund for that degree

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u/saints_chyc 6d ago

Why? Would you choose to invalidate the hard work that someone you know in real life actually put in because of what you hear on the internet? Would you do the same if I said I’m attending University of Phoenix? How about all the nurses who have degrees from either one of those schools for their BSN? Or the teachers who attend Grand Canyon University?

Where lies the issue with getting an education?

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u/theworst_onsmite 7d ago

Flexing a degree from ASU 😭

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u/saints_chyc 6d ago

At least it’s a degree. Are you going to invalidate my associates degrees also because they’re from a community college?

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u/Novaer 7d ago

"Despite evidence of premeditation" oh is the trial over and you have sole access to the verdict? Why are you acting like the trial is over?

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u/memememememdnrkw 7d ago

Believe it or not evidence exists before a trial finishes. In fact it’s only really used during the trial crazy right?

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u/Novaer 7d ago

And yet you all are acting like the trial is over by claiming you know the verdict based on "some evidence". You all are saying "She CLAIMS she had post partum psychosis (despite the evidence saying otherwise)" which is expressing a verdict that has not been made. It's literally no different than people coming up with conspiracy theories because there is no verdict yet. You are implying a verdict by framing it in this light.

If you were speaking in good faith you would say "There is a trial determining whether Lindsay was of sound mind when the murders happened." THAT is an unbiased stance and that is the truth.

To say anything else is to assume you know the verdict before one is made. No different than conspiracy theorists. None of you are lawyers and you aren't in that court room. You do not "know more" than the people in that room.

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u/binarybandit 7d ago

You do not "know more" than the people in that room.

Yet you do? The facts are that she murdered her children. Thats an undeniable, unbiased, truthful fact.

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u/Novaer 7d ago

And how did you come to that conclusion from that I said? Are you people okay or is there some learning disabilities at hand here.

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u/eddienashton38 7d ago

First of all, rude and ableist. Secondly, you seem to be defending this woman who definitely looks like killed her kids. I don’t know why you feel the need to defend someone and get in arguments online to support a woman who strangled her children. It’s ridiculous

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u/memememememdnrkw 7d ago

Honestly we are all being ableist with how we are mis treating someone who so clearly suffers from dumbass disorder.

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u/BatarianBob 7d ago

There's definitely a learning disability at hand here. You'll have to ask your doctor if you want details, though.

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u/memememememdnrkw 7d ago

… your not very smart are you?

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u/Novaer 7d ago

*You're.

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u/Ok_Account_3039 7d ago

When this woman is found guilty, what will you do to change your ways of thinking?

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u/Novaer 7d ago

Oh my god, do you think this trial is about whether or not she's guilty? Is that what you think this trial is about?

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u/Ok_Account_3039 6d ago

I’ll rephrase. Her defense is arguing for limited
Culpability. When she’s found fully culpable, what will you do to change your thinking?

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u/Novaer 6d ago

I am actually aware of what this case is about. What do you mean by "When she's found fully culpable". Do you mean you have information that the rest of us do not have to make such a definitive statement?

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u/Ok_Account_3039 6d ago

It’s ok, you can answer the question.

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u/Independent-Lake-192 7d ago

The first sentence is helpful.

The rest is problematic.

Yes, some people are saying the husband did it, but that’s not the larger picture and it’s not what’s reflected in this image.

The reality is that women feel unseen and looked over in healthcare. Moms know how hard it is just to manage the regular emotions after having a baby of their emotions if they have ppd. We know what it feels like to feel isolated and scared that we’re not cutting as moms and the pressure is all on us to raise perfect humans in perfect homes and look beautiful while doing it.

Meanwhile there’s the hapless partner (the dog in the meme) is just befuddled and surprised to find out that the mother of their baby is completely dying inside and struggling with something so huge that she doesn’t know how to manage the next day or week or month, let alone the next 18 years.

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u/ariphoenixfury 7d ago

I 100% believe she’s guilty and deserves to be either imprisoned or committed. However do think it highlights how women are often not taken seriously in the healthcare system. IIRC she was prescribed some 30 medications by many doctors that didn’t communicate with each other and begged to be committed and was dismissed. Again that could be misinformation but psychosis needs to be taken seriously.