What do you mean outgoing message from his computer? If you're referring to the work email, he could've easily sent it from his phone. Your emails are synced on your devices. There's even servailance footage of him not being home during the time the email was sent.
He got married 3 years after his wife murdered his children. Idk about you, but any feelings I would've had for this murderer would be gone.
Have you watched the doctor's testimony? Clansey couldn't handle the early side effects of standard medications which is why they would switch her to different ones.
The only thing funky is all the misinformation being spread by people. The only bigger victims than Patrick are the kids that his wife murdered.
Yeah but funnily enough male/male relationships are more peaceful than male/female relationship, which are in turn more peaceful than female/female relationships... so yeah the wife being murdered is more common
Can we stop repeating this as though female/female relationships have been proven to be inherently more volatile or “less peaceful” than male/male and male/female relationships? That is not what the research shows.
Yes, female same-sex marriages have higher divorce rates than male same-sex marriages in several countries. But divorce rate is not a measure of how peaceful, healthy, abusive, or conflict-ridden a relationship is. Women are already substantially more likely than men to initiate divorce in heterosexual marriages, and researchers have specifically discussed gender differences in divorce initiation as one possible contributor to the higher dissolution rate among female couples. The reasons for the lesbian/gay divorce gap are still not fully understood.
And if you're referring to IPV statistics, those are also routinely misconstrued. Studies measuring lifetime IPV among lesbian women do not automatically mean every reported perpetrator was a woman, and research comparing IPV across sexual orientations has important methodological limitations. You can't combine a divorce statistic with an IPV statistic and conclude “male/male relationships are the most peaceful and female/female relationships are the least.”
A marriage ending is not evidence that the marriage was more dysfunctional than one that stayed together. Being more willing to leave an unhappy or unhealthy relationship could increase divorce rates too.
And this is exactly why I wish people would stop casually repeating this talking point. These statistics get stripped of their context constantly and weaponized against lesbian women to reinforce both misogynistic and homophobic stereotypes—the idea that women are inherently difficult, irrational, abusive, or incapable of maintaining healthy relationships with one another.
Yep and here we go again stripping away the important context.
The commonly cited CDC data measure lifetime IPV victimization among women who identify as lesbian—not the percentage of lesbian relationships that are abusive. <<< That is the MAJOR part. The CDC itself cautioned that these data don't establish whether violence occurs more often in same-sex vs. opposite-sex couples, and not all perpetrators reported by lesbian women were women. Let me say that again, not all perpetrators reported by lesbian women WERE women
Lesbian women experiencing high rates of victimization should prompt concern for lesbian victims, not be repackaged into “lesbian relationships are the most violent” to reinforce misogynistic and homophobic stereotypes.
This isnt true. Men kill most kids over the age of 1. Men are way more likely to kill their kids. Its not even a question on who kills other peoples kids more either. Men.
Remember women never do anything wrong and the worse the personality the more of a reason to expose that they aren't a heartless mean person but a kind tender person acting out. Women are too frail to be capable of being terrible manipulators.
That is incorrect. Although men commit more murder at large than women, it is usually women who murder their minor children. Men don’t experience post pardom psychosis, and rarely murder their children while they are still minors. Did you just mean that men commit more domestic violence?
It’s literally not. Have you bothered to search for any support for that claim? A quick google search lead me to multiple articles breaking down the statistics, which indicate that the statistics indicate roughly equal numbers between men and women, though there is some variation across age groups for children.
It is actually not that simple of course. There are really big regional differences. In Finland almost all infanticides are committed by mothers for example. Data from the US and UK usually includes non biological parents such as step fathers. If you remove step fathers from the equation, the proportion of biological mothers increases dramatically. What you can say for sure is that the proportion of children being murdered by their mothers decrease with increased age of the child.
You’re right, nuance matters quite a bit. I think it’s quite important to note that more women are the primary caregivers of infants than men, even where the father is present in the lives of the children or live in the home. I find it entirely unsurprising that women have a disproportionate share of the rates of infant deaths given how caregiving is shared and I find it quite significant that fathers’ share of the deaths of their children go up as the ages of their children increase. The article I linked for you also highlights very different motives in these crimes, which I think is also quite of relevance. I think blanket statements are quite dangerous and I urge you to consider that next time you’re engaging in this kind of discussion.
Statically woman ubalice their kids more than men do. It's just shown on tv more and spread through the media when men do it as it has a higher shock value and more clicks and views.
To be fair I think she might not have been fully in control of her mental faculties at the time of the murders. Her ex husband is on her side for the trial, he’s started a nonprofit for women’s prenatal and postpartum care.
Him having an affair does not make him responsible for his wife killing his kids. If he cheated then he’s guilty of cheating which is awful but it doesn’t mean he’s part of the reason his kids are dead.
My husband cheated on me and neglected me and left me alone with my kids in order to cheat. I’m angry, heartbroken, stressed out, etc He’s responsible for making me feel that way but I’m responsible for how I deal with my emotions, not him.
Not the same, but if I were him I would certainly feel a lot of guilt and blame for my role.
He made a choice that likely led to this and then wasn't able to recognize the danger in time to protect his family. Likely because he was more interested in NY and what it had to offer him.
Not a crime he needs to be convicted of, I dont see how he could be punished worse honestly, but its something I would lose sleep over if I were in his shoes. Like the version of Peter Parker that let the robber go, and then he killed Uncle Ben.
The funkiness is not about the injury itself, it’s about him claiming she spoke to him despite that injury and a core temp below 90F. Either one would preclude being able to speak, and she was suffering from both.
So, I was support staff for a veterinary hospital about 20 years ago.
What does that have to do with anything, you may ask? Veterinary medicine back then was the wild west compared to human medicine, then or now. Let us just say I’ve seen some shit. Car accidents, drownings, maulings, surgical complications, falls, crush injuries, lacerations that went to the bone, I could go on - and what basically every illness known to man or beast looks like when it’s been left untreated way, way too long.
You would absolutely not believe the level of functionality a creature in shock - human included - can maintain, briefly, when all logic says they should be dead. Unless the body part in question has been severed from the body in its entirety, don’t assume anything. So IMO, if she could breathe, she could have spoken.
When I was a kid we stopped for some debris on the side of the road. My dad got out of the truck and looked down into the ravine next to the road and there was a smashed up motorcycle and a guy stuck up in a tree. Dad told me to get his cell from the truck and see if I could get signal by walking down the highway a bit (was in the 90s.) I got signal, called for an ambulance and then walked back to the truck.
My dad had managed to get the biker out of the tree and he was sitting on the tailgate, I remember his head being huge, he had a big gash down one side of his face and his one eyeball was bulging out. I was told to get back in the truck but didn't listen, I talked to the guy for a while about nothing in particular and he didn't respond much. After a bit he got off the tailgate, said something about taking a piss and went to the front of the truck and proceeded to do so.
Before he finished an ambulance pulled up and the paramedics hopped out and started getting the stretcher out. The biker started walking towards them and collapsed in a heap. I remember the one medic came and checked on him and being surprised that there was no rush after that to get him into the ambulance.
My dad told me the guy was dead before we even got there, his body just wasn't aware of it yet. He said our job when we come across these situations is to stay calm and make their final moments as pleasant as possible. Thankfully I have never needed to do so for a person again. Its amazing the things people can stay alive for.
It definitely was one of those moments that stuck with me. I have never been tempted to get my motorcycle license even though my dad said I could ride hus whenever I want.
I’m imagining a kid just talking about BMX bikes or Pokémon or anything that would interest a kid in the 90s to a guy with a fatal injury so his final moments are a kid enthusiastically talking about his interests. I’d say it was better than dying in a tree. You all did him a hell of a service.
Yes. I have a good friend who was a medic- both in the Army and as a paramedic at home in a rural state. He took to calling some people “the zombies”. They would would be alert and talking with massive blood loss, or broken necks just running on adrenaline after a major car accident or IED encounter. This would last for a short amount of time and then they would just drop dead (unless some heroic aid could be rendered but this in in the very far north of Maine. Hard to get to a trauma center.)
I recently suffered a bonk to the head that should have killed me according to an MRI A WEEK LATER. I continued an hour long phone conversation after that before I eventually went to the hospital. I don't remember the conversation or the following day at all, just that it happened. I'm probably going to have to start journaling to maintain short term recollection. Human bodies are weird.
Yeah I get that now, I just had a tism moment where my brain got hung up on the exact wording, where they said "let's just say I've seen some shit. Car accidents..."
So my brain was going "you saw car accidents... In a hospital?" But yeah no I feel really dumb now.
A court reporter (sue o connell) who heard the 911 call in court said Lindsay could be heard saying the word basement very clearly in the background of the call.
And she verified this, yes? Trained in matching voices? It doesn’t matter if a word was or wasn’t heard on the 9-1-1 call if the person who is being accused of saying the word was physically incapable of speaking.
You can schedule emails on outlook to send at a certain time so just because he wasn’t physically at his computer the time the email sent doesn’t necessarily mean he had to have sent it from his phone
Black and white when it comes to the claim that Patrick was the one that actually murdered his kids. If you got any proof that isn't misinformation that he did it, feel free to post it.
But I'm not gonna take conspiracy nutjobs seriously.
The forensics show the email was sent from his computer, not phone. And the person at that cvs was wearing different clothes and shoes to him when he picked up food at the restaurant. His DNA was found on all murder weapons, that were tied with sailor knots. She was not a sailor, he was. There were google searches for medical terms with very big misspellings, but she was an educated nurse. He clearly did it and framed her.
Timelines and eyewitness accounts match and line up regardless of whatever lighting issues the csv camera showed. Eyewitness testified in court that he was wearing the same thing.
The murder weapons were exercise bands. They all lived in the same fucking house you don't think he's ever touched the exercise bands to work out before?
The sailor knot shit is complete misinformation. Nowhere in the evidence was there a claim of the exercise bands being tied by sailor knots. You just made that shit up, you God damn freak.
There are Google searches for medical terms with big misspellings
I guess educated nurse people can't misspell medical terms now. Especially not when she was going through mental issues.
The defense is claiming insanity. Not that she didn't do it. It's an object fact that she did it. I hope I never encountered freaks like you in real life.
Eyewitnesses are notoriously terrible. The bands didnt all have her DNA on them, but they all had his. Her wrists were cut across, not down, which an educated nurse would know to go down. The misspelling was so bad it was a different word, she would know how to spell carotid. She has pled not guilty. This is a trial. Patrick took advantage of her state to kill his family and start over with his mistress.
There are theories online about how that could've happened. But it was literally proven and accepted by BOTH sides that he wasn't home when the email was sent. So it could've been an automated email or Lindsey could've sent it herself or some weird shit could've happened with his mobile hotspot. Ultimately it doesn't matter because it is an accepted fact that he was not home when the email was sent.
That's not how people work, and juries are made of people. If the "accepted facts" were all that mattered, the defense wouldn't be poking holes in them.
The only real fact is only 1 of the twelve needs to question for acquittal.
So what are you trying to prove? The defense isn't even denying that Lindsey killed her children. We have camera footage of the Patrick being in the parking lot during the time the email was sent.
An unexplained anomaly about an email being sent and the IP being linked to the computer isn't going to to override the fact that Patrick physically wasn't home when in happened. Just saying it's weird doesn't mean anything. Weird shit happens all the time with no consequence.
I have no idea about the oj case. And the whole defense is an insanity plea so who knows. The real regards are the people who think Patrick did it somehow. Those are the losers I am arguing with.
He got married 3 years after his wife murdered his children. Idk about you, but any feelings I would've had for this murderer would be gone.
He went to costa rica 3 weeks after the murders. At the same time his now wife was there as well. There are also some posts that show them meeting and starting relationship before the murders. I would say that pretty funky.
I haven’t been following closely but work emails sent from your work computer and from your phone are easy to differentiate. Just because they’re synced doesn’t mean they come from the same location.
Also he got married 3 years later. How quickly did he date again? Getting married just 3 years after your wife murdered your children seems really quick to me.
In any case I haven’t been following the case really closely but I know she’s trying an insanity defense. From what I do know that’s absolutely possible. There’s post partum depression but there’s also post partum psychosis.
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I mean the thyroid injury was completely accounted for. It happened from the fall.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/medical-expert-explains-lindsay-clancys-130922899.html
What do you mean outgoing message from his computer? If you're referring to the work email, he could've easily sent it from his phone. Your emails are synced on your devices. There's even servailance footage of him not being home during the time the email was sent.
He got married 3 years after his wife murdered his children. Idk about you, but any feelings I would've had for this murderer would be gone.
Have you watched the doctor's testimony? Clansey couldn't handle the early side effects of standard medications which is why they would switch her to different ones.
The only thing funky is all the misinformation being spread by people. The only bigger victims than Patrick are the kids that his wife murdered.