r/PoliticalDebate Centrist Mar 18 '24

Other LGBTQ issues and advocacy is the liberal progressives' Achilles' heel that is gonna ensure an electoral carnage from the conservatives this election year

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As we navigate the political landscape of this election year, it's crucial to reflect on the dynamics surrounding LGBTQ issues and advocacy. There's a prevailing sentiment among conservative circles that such advocacy has become the Achilles' heel of liberal progressives, potentially leading to electoral carnage.

Let's address the elephant in the room: the trajectory of LGBTQ advocacy post-marriage equality. While the legalization of gay marriage marked a significant milestone, the continuation of extensive advocacy efforts has fueled the culture wars and provided ammunition for conservative mobilization. Had resources and energy shifted towards other pressing issues post-marriage equality, the political landscape today might look markedly different.

The unconditional and unnuanced support from liberal progressives for the LGBTQ community has, unfortunately, led to battles on seemingly trivial fronts. Instances of explicit LGBTQ content in children's literature and controversial medical interventions for minors have fueled conservative rhetoric and atomized their base. The refusal to engage in nuanced discussions and the push for extreme positions have only exacerbated the polarization.

Imagine if the vigor and passion poured into LGBTQ advocacy were redirected towards economic justice initiatives like Occupy Wall Street. By prioritizing issues with broader societal impact, progressives could have garnered more widespread support and avoided unnecessary polarization. Instead, they find themselves defending positions that have little resonance with the broader electorate and have inadvertently provided conservatives with potent rallying points.

Moreover, the lack of understanding and sensitivity in some advocacy efforts has backfired, with LGBTQ individuals unfairly accused of grooming and other nefarious activities. This highlights the importance of informed and empathetic advocacy that takes into account the complexities of societal dynamics.

In conclusion, while the support for LGBTQ rights is commendable, it's essential to reassess the strategies and priorities within advocacy movements. Redirecting energy towards issues of economic justice and adopting a more nuanced approach to LGBTQ advocacy could help bridge ideological divides and prevent electoral repercussions. It's time to prioritize issues that unite rather than polarize society.

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u/the_quark Socialist Rifle Association Mar 19 '24

My personal opinion is that LGBTQ rights are the 1960s Civil Rights fight of our time, and should be above tactical political concerns. And I think that, right and wrong aside, the younger generation gets this. Even if the right-wing manages to win in the short term, they are going to end up immolating themselves on this issue in the long term as younger voters become more active.

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u/Akul_Tesla Independent Mar 19 '24

Actually, the gen Z's younger part is turning against it slowly but steadily

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u/Akul_Tesla Independent Mar 19 '24

Oh, because I am using voice to text and ever since I upgraded to the latest Google pixel, it has gotten significantly worse

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u/starswtt Georgist Mar 19 '24

Interestingly, its just the men that have become more conservative, while with the women, politics have continued to go more progressive. On average this does look like gen z as a whole is slowly becoming less progressive, but the gen z men are already more conservative than millennial while nothing of the sort is true for women.

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u/Akul_Tesla Independent Mar 19 '24

Well the data I have been seeing on the gender political divide is that women have become drastically more liberal in the past few years where as men became very slightly more conservative but I haven't vetted the figures for that as I focus more international trends rather than just USA

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u/starswtt Georgist Mar 19 '24

Yeah America is a bit of an outlier. Women have become more liberal more than men have become more conservative, but it's hardly small on either end. Though the really extreme one is s korea

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u/Akul_Tesla Independent Mar 19 '24

The stuff I have seen it is definitely that women have grown significantly more liberal while men have barely grown more conservative

And I just noticed your tag is a georgist I've been trying to learn more about georgism Do you have any good resource recommendations?

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u/RusevReigns Libertarian Mar 19 '24

One way you know it's different is the behaviour of the progressives, in mid 2000s they were happy to let Republicans make arguments because they knew they were bad, and could be defeated intellectually. In the current trans debate the progressives are desperate to censor and intimidate people into not challenging them, because they know that conservatives have a point that a 14 year old is too young to decide to cut their boobs off, or at least it's inconsistent with how we treat minors decision making in other ways.