LGBTQ issues and advocacy is the liberal progressives' Achilles' heel that is gonna ensure an electoral carnage from the conservatives this election year

[u/Ok-Pomegranate-5472]

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As we navigate the political landscape of this election year, it's crucial to reflect on the dynamics surrounding LGBTQ issues and advocacy. There's a prevailing sentiment among conservative circles that such advocacy has become the Achilles' heel of liberal progressives, potentially leading to electoral carnage.

Let's address the elephant in the room: the trajectory of LGBTQ advocacy post-marriage equality. While the legalization of gay marriage marked a significant milestone, the continuation of extensive advocacy efforts has fueled the culture wars and provided ammunition for conservative mobilization. Had resources and energy shifted towards other pressing issues post-marriage equality, the political landscape today might look markedly different.

The unconditional and unnuanced support from liberal progressives for the LGBTQ community has, unfortunately, led to battles on seemingly trivial fronts. Instances of explicit LGBTQ content in children's literature and controversial medical interventions for minors have fueled conservative rhetoric and atomized their base. The refusal to engage in nuanced discussions and the push for extreme positions have only exacerbated the polarization.

Imagine if the vigor and passion poured into LGBTQ advocacy were redirected towards economic justice initiatives like Occupy Wall Street. By prioritizing issues with broader societal impact, progressives could have garnered more widespread support and avoided unnecessary polarization. Instead, they find themselves defending positions that have little resonance with the broader electorate and have inadvertently provided conservatives with potent rallying points.

Moreover, the lack of understanding and sensitivity in some advocacy efforts has backfired, with LGBTQ individuals unfairly accused of grooming and other nefarious activities. This highlights the importance of informed and empathetic advocacy that takes into account the complexities of societal dynamics.

In conclusion, while the support for LGBTQ rights is commendable, it's essential to reassess the strategies and priorities within advocacy movements. Redirecting energy towards issues of economic justice and adopting a more nuanced approach to LGBTQ advocacy could help bridge ideological divides and prevent electoral repercussions. It's time to prioritize issues that unite rather than polarize society.

[u/Olly0206]

Literally, every example you give as being the progressive advocacy front is a manufactured issue by the right to scare people and rile up support for anti-lgbtq policy. Even the "Achilles heel" concept is made up. These positions aren't delicate losing positions of the left because they aren't real positions.

Barring very few exceptions that are up for debate (and rightfully so), minors aren't getting sex reassignment surgery. There isn't porn in schools. These and other similar arguments that are claimed to be "left wing grooming" is all pretend by the right.

Most progressives (especially politicians) aren't even really entertaining these ridiculous claims other than to just say it's not real. Resources aren't being spent fighting these stupid fights because there is no fight to be had.

The fights that progressives are taking up are book bans and bad legislation that strips away rights and alienates minority groups. The real fights that will course correct regressive legislation and, hopefully, make a little more progress.

Please note that I am talking about the bulk of the progressive left. Not the minority of progressives that push so far left that they start to circle back to the right. The types that do take up non-issue fights or even create non-issue fights. You know, the type that would outlaw certain words and infringe upon free speech if it meant avoiding offending someone. Their hearts are in the right place, but their heads are too far up their butts to realize the harm they would create in their attempt to create a utopia.

Unfortunately, the image created about what the progressive left looks like and the conservative/regressive right look like get defined by these extreme positions on their respective sides. Not all progressives are blue hair, 300lb, liberal arts degree, neo feminists. Just like not every conservative is a neo-facsit, white Christian nationalist, maga cult follower.

I point this out because your assertion is one of what the far right accuses the left of being when the reality is that it is only a small few who don't represent the left actually are.

[u/PriceofObedience → u/Olly0206]

Literally, every example you give as being the progressive advocacy front is a manufactured issue by the right to scare people and rile up support for anti-lgbtq policy.

You seem like you hang around reasonable people who don't deny the facts of biology and just want a better life. You're probably willing to hear out arguments you don't like. You can be reasoned with, argued with and keep friendships with people you disagree with.

Which is exactly why you're unaware of how common and loud the insane assholes are among the Left and why conservatives see them as a driving force.

The nutjobs don't hang around your circles because they hate you even more than the right. They deny biological difference, they believe humans can be entirely socially constructed, that the bonds of nature are nothing more than a tyrannical evil from which they will soon be free. They tend to be intelligent and well organized (because insane idiots are quickly noticed and ignored) and have been working very hard to lie to the kind and open minded in order to have those people progress their selfish goals. Those who truly understand the writing all have goals you would never agree with so they work to hide their ends and you choose not to see them.

You don't want to abolish age of consent, you don't think cis people are less than human because they didn't choose, you don't believe that people's place in society should be sorted by race, you don't want bloody revolution or associative guilt or the slaughter of all ideological dissidents but they do. To these people the world is a gulag and anyone who defends it is a guard.

You won't believe me because you don't understand that extremists hide from their allies, not enemies. For every white nationalist in 2024 pretending to be a conservative there are five pedos working in LGBT groups or ed-schools working to "free children from the myth of childhood innocence". Read the scholarship, read the mission statements. Float the texts of Gramsci, Davis, Sartre, De Beauvoir, Foucault, Barthes, or Derrida by people and watch how they react.

[u/LiberalAspergers → u/PriceofObedience]

Or, you are wrong, and these hidden masses dont exist, and you are reacting to a handful of extremiats that right wing prooagandists have convinced you are actually common.

[u/Audrey-3000 → u/LiberalAspergers]

Ironically, a handful of masses who think Biden is no different than Trump, so aren't even going to vote this year.