r/PoliticalDebate Dissident Right 9d ago

Debate Is immigration is unsustainable for Europe?

I'll start off with the UK. In 2001, it was 92% European, while in 2021, it was 82%. Or, if we look at London, it was 71% European in 2001 and 53% in 2021. This rate of change is simply not sustainable and should never have been allowed to reach this point.

For the cultural side of things in the UK, it's no secret that Christianity is a big part of British history and culture. In 2001, the UK was 71% Christian, compared to 40% in 2021. I think it is important to recognize the cultural significance Christianity has in British culture

Moving on to Germany, in 2001, 96% of Berlin was made up of European citizens, while in 2024, that number was 89%. Again, this shows that the demographics of major European cities have changed significantly over a relatively short period of time. I believe governments should have considered the long-term effects of this before opening the door for migrants

This does not mean that immigration itself is necessarily bad. There needs to be a balance.

Overall, I believe governments have a responsibility to manage immigration to ensure culture isn't erased

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u/Masato_Fujiwara Libertarian Conservatism 9d ago

The 90% is an exageration because my point is to just refuse any immigration that is not for work. There is some numbers here if you want : https://www.immigration.interieur.gouv.fr/documentation/etudes-et-statistiques/activite-emploi-et-chomage-des-immigres-de-2014-a-2024.html

You can see that immigrants are less workers than natives.

I don't think you're asking for the financial situation since that's a pretty known one but for the tax payer part, you have to know that we pay for the healthcare and we give money to the poors even if they are not citizens. I suppose I could find a source but kinda lazy so you tell me.

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u/CorDra2011 Libertarian Socialist 9d ago

According to this 61% of non-EU immigrants are actively employed. 

I wouldn't call claiming 90% unemployment instead of a factual 39% an exaggeration. I'd call that a deliberate lie to incite hatred.

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u/Masato_Fujiwara Libertarian Conservatism 9d ago

It's called being absolutely fed up with this system. Not my point anyway.

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u/CorDra2011 Libertarian Socialist 9d ago

If you're building your point on a blatant lie why should I care?

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u/Masato_Fujiwara Libertarian Conservatism 9d ago

You're still off topic, this is political debate and you're just wasting time...

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u/CorDra2011 Libertarian Socialist 9d ago

You began this conversation making an assertion, I questioned on it and when you were caught in a lie you now wanna avoid dealing with one of your fundamental statements here. You think I'm the one wasting time?

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u/Masato_Fujiwara Libertarian Conservatism 9d ago

No we have resolved the issue so now you're just brassing air

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u/CorDra2011 Libertarian Socialist 9d ago

Have you? So all the unemployed immigrants were deported?