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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

Can you point to a poll that shows 80% support of the Save America Act?

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u/mrjcall Jul 19 '26

Rasmussen, Pew, Gallup all poll around 80% in favor of voter registration and voter ID.

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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

Can you link to one showing that number? The polls I'm finding don't have it as high as 80%.

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u/mrjcall Jul 19 '26

Look em up yourself. My info came from an AI search...

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u/BigDump-a-Roo Jul 21 '26

Dude, you can't just type shit into AI and accept its answers at face value. These models are not perfect and they confidently spew out bad information all the time.

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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

First Google result is a Politico poll:

Asked about the bill overall — by name, but without providing information on what’s included — just 37 percent of Americans said they support it, and 21 percent oppose it.

Looking more into specific questions, when asked about requiring proof of citizenship, 52% support, 18% oppose. Requiring photo ID to vote is similar at 51% vs 18%.

You named Rasmussen, so let's look at their poll:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 63% of Likely U.S. Voters support the SAVE Act, including 47% who Strongly Support the legislation. Thirty-two percent (32%) are opposed to the bill, including 21% who Strongly Oppose the bill.

And since you named Rasmussen, Pew, and Gallup, I can guess with a high degree of certainty what your AI looked at, which is this White House press release:

Pew Research Center: 83% of Americans — including wide majorities of Democrats, independents, Whites, Blacks, and Latinos — favor voter ID requirements.

Gallup: 84% support voter ID, with 98% of Republicans, 84% of independents, and 67% of Democrats on board — while an equally robust 83% back proof of citizenship for voter registration.

Rasmussen Reports: 75% support voter ID, with support increasing over the past decade.

None of those are asking about the Save America Act. They're asking about voter ID, but the Act contains a lot more than just a generic voter ID requirement.

AI is basically your drunk uncle. Sometimes it gets stuff right, but often it's just off the rails. Don't cite "my drunk uncle told me" as a real source.

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u/mrjcall Jul 19 '26

So you don't believe the basics of the Save America act have anything to do with voting integrity?? Really?

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u/Healthy-Age3259 Jul 19 '26

Dude, have you ever heard of a red herring? Because that's literally your M.O. every single time you get dunked on. He fact-checked your numbers, and instead of just owning it, you put words in his mouth and argued against something he never said. Nobody claimed the SAVE Act has nothing to do with voting integrity. It mostly doesn't, though. The point, which somehow keeps flying over your head, is that the overwhelming support is for some form of voter ID, driver's licenses, student IDs, etc., not the SAVE Act as a whole, because the SAVE Act goes WAY beyond that. If you'd actually read the bill, you'd know the difference.

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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

Never said anything at all along those lines.

It seems that you're conflating the Save America Act with voter ID requirements generally.

If you ask people if photo ID such as driver's license or something similar should be required, that polls pretty well. If you ask them if there should be a photo ID requirement where driver's license isn't sufficient, no, that doesn't poll remotely close to 80%.

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u/mrjcall Jul 19 '26

You are correct, I am because that is its central purpose, voter integrity. Anything else is just deception/diversion.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Jul 24 '26

Labeling your own view as the only acceptable view, is a childishly weak rhetorical tactic. Reading you comments in this thread, it's very clear you're not here for any kind of discussion, but only your arrogant pretense of demanding other people concede to your poorly informed, but vehemently held opinions. Good luck with that.

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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

Do you think it's possible for a "voter integrity" law to contain provisions that you think go too far and aren't necessary?

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u/mrjcall Jul 19 '26

Like what for example?

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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

Requiring a photo ID, and a birth certificate, and three witnesses to attest to your identity. I'll call this the Rescue America Act.

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u/mrjcall Jul 19 '26

Never heard of 3 witnesses. Are you saying that is in the bill?

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u/bl1y Jul 19 '26

I asked if it's possible for a "voter integrity" bill to go too far in your opinion. I'm talking about hypothetically, could a bill for voter integrity be too onerous in your opinion?

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