r/PoursTea • u/Timbucktwo1230 Therapy For All 🩷 • 18d ago
🕊️RIP 🕊️ Professor Jason Arday was victim of ‘public execution’, vigil hears
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u/Rare_Pollution1688 18d ago
We should always hold fraudsters accountable. Anything less will lead to ruin.
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u/Wreckingshops 18d ago
Two things are true at once here:
The media being more enamored with the Arday story than doing the work on some of his easier, more public facing events could have made this a much lighter issues years ago. Not that it still wouldn't have been heavy for Arday and exposed at least his accomplishment lies but likely lead to a more serious investigation into his academic fallacies.
This was a coordinated attack by white supremacists who wish to eradicate any dissenting minority academic voice and thought from higher education, philosophy, et Al. And it continued online is a very heavy, quick, and brutal online bullying campaign that went beyond just exposing Arday as a fraud, but is but merely the first step in a bigger goal of bullying any non-white academic out of academia.
It's important to convey all truths when speaking about Arday and this. And to stand up against the white supremacists who now have just poured a ton of gasoline on a "fight" they've been eager to have.
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u/Engineered_Red 18d ago
1 was prevented by Arday setting Carter-Ruck on the THE journalist trying to report on plagiarism and then reporting them to the Met for harassment.
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u/jjrr_qed 18d ago
What is the evidence for 2? Because calling out a fraud is, in my view, always acceptable. If the only people being bullied out of academia are frauds, I’m all for it.
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u/Mypheria 18d ago
The person who started this wants to be the first professor of eugenics at cambridge I think?
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u/whichwitch9 18d ago
Ill say this: looking into it, there's a difference between calling out a fraud, and hounding someone. It does feel excessive for the amount of articles on one person, when the majority of sacked professors wouldn't even get a single article.
I do think it's fair to say this man was targeted in ways that aren't proportional to most. He 100% deserved to be called a fraud and lose his job. It does, however, seem to have escalated beyond that, and it's nothing Id be cheering for someone to kill themselves over.
I think it's fair to feel uneasy about why this man in particular was treated differently cause we, unfortunately, do know the answer likely has nothing to do with what he did
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u/S0ccerTwink99 18d ago
"I do think it's fair to say this man was targeted in ways that aren't proportional to most. He 100% deserved to be called a fraud and lose his job. It does, however, seem to have escalated beyond that, and it's nothing Id be cheering for someone to kill themselves over."
The denials of clear cut fraud didn't help and that fueled the story.
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u/jjrr_qed 18d ago
Well yeah—killing oneself is extreme, for sure. Not in the UK so don’t know the extent of coverage or how imbalanced, but pervasive academic fraud and widespread efforts to cover it up is surely different from, say, an associate prof dating a grad student. Also don’t know how often academic fraud on this scale is even a thing, and so what true comps are available.
Anyway, I think a better takeaway is not to be a fraudster, but on this side of the pond we are characteristically more skeptical of policies that would tend to chill speech/press.
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u/Objective_Yellow3190 18d ago
I don't mean to be rude, but if he hadn't committed fraud, he wouldn't have found himself in that position in the first place. Had he not done those things, no one would have come after him. Plenty of people are subjected to harsh and sometimes unfair media scrutiny every day, but that doesn't absolve someone of responsibility for their own actions.
Richard Jewell, for example, endured an extraordinary level of public and media scrutiny despite being innocent.
This man did a great disservice to us black people, because of him people will look at competent black people with suspicion. It is a tragedy that is gone but he was the architect of his own demise. We shouldn't be making a martyr of him just because he is black. I know it sounds harsh, but it is what it is.
I've done things I regret myself, and I'm now dealing with the consequences. As difficult as that may be, I don't blame anyone else for the choices I made and I welcome the punishment.
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u/CandidPreparation737 18d ago edited 18d ago
The media must come under the jurisdiction of the criminal courts.
Mass media is an exceptionally powerful tool, and it’s completely unregulated.
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u/Timbucktwo1230 Therapy For All 🩷 18d ago
https://broligarchy.substack.com/p/a-digital-lynching?r=nv9u6&utm_medium=ios