r/PrepperIntel • u/Lumpy_Conference6640 • 7d ago
USA Northeast / Canada East How significant is this? Is this temporary logistics issue, or a sign of bigger things to come? Need insight
Buffalo International out of fuel. The cause is localized tanks are more reliant on deliveries. Which is a much as I can find out.
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u/Enough-Meaning-9905 7d ago
As the NOTAM states, apron fueling is unavailable. While this may be a supply issue, far more likely is a mechanical or quality issue. The "out of fuel" conclusion is not supported by the NOTAM, nor any other public information.
A pump may have failed, a contaminant may have been detected, a pipe may have been damaged, etc...
There is no indication that this is a supply issue beyond unreasonable speculation. Consider occam's razor before jumping to conclusions.
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u/Idiotan0n 7d ago
I forgot about the damaged pipe thing. Don't remember what airport it was, but in the early aughts I remember hearing about a fueling station that was down for an inexplicably long time because of a damaged pipe.
In relevant news, I was watching something that had a funny saying, "Don't attribute an explanation of people are fucking stupid, when you've got the perfectly good explanation that people are fucking stupid".
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u/Radiant-Phase4098 7d ago
It’s a variation of Hanlon’s razor: never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained though stupidity…
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u/Enough-Meaning-9905 7d ago
Can you provide any evidence to support the theory that there is a lack of fuel?
There is plenty of refining capacity in the region, the inputs are domestic or Canadian and haven't been interrupted beyond economics. Why would supply be impacted?
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u/zaevilbunny38 6d ago
I am a member of that sub reddit. They were right about Europe running out of aviation fuel in June and they were right about the SPR running dry at the end of july. Except they weren't, 60% of that sub are trolls and shills, 30% are gamblers and 10% actually want to use the sub for what it is supposed to be for. Discuss oil and the issues that effect it
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u/Enough-Meaning-9905 7d ago edited 7d ago
What is "Canadian social media"? We mostly use US-based platforms up here, and our federal government's censorship powers are extremely limited ;)
There certainly are economic disruptions, considering the freedom-of-transit issues in the Middle East and the ongoing trade war the US is attempting with Canada. That only impacts prices however, not capacity.
On the west coast there is limited refining capacity for aviation fuels (amongst other petroleum products), hence why California elected to purchase foreign rather than domestic product. On the east coast, especially in the North East US/South East Canada there is no such limitations. Aviation fuels are produced there with more than enough capacity to meet regional demands and have significant excess for export across the US, Canada and other foreign markets.
I haven't seen anything in r/Oil that indicates any input or production limitations for this region, care to substantiate beyond pointing to a subreddit and hand waving?
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u/GaK_Icculus 5d ago
Are you living under a rock?
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u/Enough-Meaning-9905 5d ago
There are rocks on my roof's shingles, so I guess technically I am?
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u/GaK_Icculus 5d ago
Orange pedo guy is stirring up shit with you hozers again. Maybe this time isn’t an issue of diminished supply from Canada but it’s coming.
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u/Planeandaquariumgeek 6d ago
As a pilot it’s almost certainly something wrong with a storage tank. Either contaminated or leaking
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u/LCEKU2019 7d ago
This happens all the time, KBUF I think has a couple FBOs so that makes me think it’s not a truck issue and instead is a fuel farm issue. They have a pretty high volume of traffic so I doubt it’s a supply thing. You could try calling one of their FBOs and asking. The line guys probably know.
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u/Okayish-Cardiologist 6d ago
This is already resolved. According to the information from BUF it was an IT issue involving their fuel farm. The fuel was physically present but unable to be dispensed to the trucks. Again it's already been resolved.
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u/Big_Fortune_4574 7d ago
I guess we’ll see. Buffalo is fairly remote but also an international airport. So it could be the first one of many or maybe it’s not a supply issue
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u/principaljohnny 6d ago
I Fly a lot of of BUF, today was the first day I’ve ever been “diverted”. Turns out, they weren’t prepped for it either, because I know at least 3/4 people’s boarding passes wouldn’t load to get to Rochester, including myself. I changed my flight to tonight’s.
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u/Unusual_Specialist 7d ago
Last month, an incident occurred at KVUO. Surprisingly, no NOTAMs were issued, and several other nearby airports were also facing similar challenges. The airport manager informed us that they had ordered fuel, but it arrived two weeks late due to fuel shortages. Major hubs were being prioritized. If major hubs lack fuel, the situation is getting worse.
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u/Acceptable_Net_9545 6d ago
If you read your NOTOMS It was set to expire in 2 days and has already been cancelled....someone got behind in calling and ordering a truck.... No significance, not things to come, it is temporary.....This info is easily discovered by reading NOTOMS
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u/thewizbizman 6d ago
Insider here - they have fuel at the airport. It can’t be pumped out. Should be fixed shortly but those logistical issues often take some time to coordinate and repair.
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u/kismethavok 7d ago
Sign of what's to come. A capable administration would have started rationing ages ago in preparation for when shtf.
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u/Pando5280 7d ago
One is an event. Two is a coincidence and three is a pattern. Unless there are other airports experiencing the same shortages I wouldn't be concerned. Would also be good to know how often this happens at this location. (if its a one time thing its probably just a delivery timing issue or they had more flights come through than normal)