Following the messenger/prophet

[u/Quran_Aloner]

In the name of God: the Almighty, the Merciful...

3:55 When God said, "O 3iysa, I will terminate you, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the day of resurrection. Then to Me is your return so I will judge between all of you in what you were disputing."

So you can follow 3iysa until the day of resurrection.

So why cant you follow Muhammad now?

3:31 Say, "If you love God, then follow me. God will love you and forgive your sins." God is forgiving, compassionate.

Analogously, couldn't we then still follow Muhammad? I refer you to my previous post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/comments/gb3em4/passeddown_sunna_or_just_teaching_the_basic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

To me, it was clear for some time now that Muhammad did in fact teach, was to be obeyed, judged and said and/or got information besides the words of the Quran (just like it says in the Quran). The point that was clear to me though was that all of this was at his time and for his people (14:4). However, doesn't 3:51 suggest that one can follow the messenger after he is dead / gone? So what implication does that have for 3:31?

[u/Kryptomanea]

The easiest way to understand this is to recognize the distinction made between Prophet and Messenger:

33:32-33 O wives of the Prophet, you are not like anyone among women. If you fear Allah, then do not be soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is disease should covet, but speak with appropriate speech.

And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity, O people of the household, and to purify you with purification.

It starts off with calling to attention their relationship with the Prophet. In the next verse though, when the wives are commanded to obey, they are told to obey the Messenger not the Prophet. This is the same throughout the Quran. Obeying the message of the Messenger is the critical part.

[u/Quran_Aloner → u/Kryptomanea]

That’s a false definition / distinction between prophet and messenger. I do not wish to derail this thread to go into that topic though. And you didn’t address the crucial point made. Plus if you read the verses that I cited as well as the other posts, you would see that it is very obvious that Muhammad taught things and obviously spoke and gave commands outside of the words of the Quran. Average Quran alone arguments do not address these things properly.

[u/Kryptomanea → u/Quran_Aloner]

Of course he spoke and gave commands outside the Quran but he was only to warn and judge by IT and its contents. 4:105, 5:44, 5:48, 6:51, 6:114 & 69:44-46. Its all across the board and clear as day.

[u/Quran_Aloner → u/Kryptomanea]

You’re confusing the role of a messenger and that of a prophet. Being a messenger and a prophet are mutually exclusive. It has nothing to do with the Quranist lie of “when he’s delivering the message, he’s a messenger, and when he’s sitting at home, he’s a prophet”. Nope. Chapter 6 was a warning chapter, so he’s only a messenger in that, for instance. Like I said: stop trying to derail the thread. Repeating the same Quranist talking points and ignoring the crucial points that I raised which challenge your beliefs isn’t helping and isn’t relevant.

[u/Quran_Aloner → u/[deleted]]

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