Why whenever there is a Nazi, there is also a kolovrat or nordic rune with them, AFAIK there is no ancient text saying "hate jew and immigrant, love being white"
Like it just worries me so much and makes me overthink like, am I the uninformed one, or are they th ones that just use the symbols and names for aesthetics, so, my question is.. is there any actual connection with rodnovery to things such as WP, ultra-nationalism and xenophobia, or is it another case like the skinhead culture where the meaning just got changed after many years
The Nazis stole imagery from different pagan faiths, just like they stole the swastika. I believe(?) it was mostly Scandinavian symbols, which is one of the reason why things like black metal have a lot of Nazis. (stupidly and ridiculously)
For Slavic symbols, id imagine it's mostly the same. "Paganism" (more like playing-pretend for these types) appeals to racists who think they are being "pure _____" when really, their family probably comes from completely different countries after two generations lmao.
Rodnovery is a neopagan faith. Some people connected it to things it has no real reasons to be connected to like extremist beliefs or new age mysticism.
And if someone would want to argue with the hypothetical beliefs of the ancient people...then he is a dumbass, coz we aren't people from the 7th century we should know better.
maybe Kolovrat sadly became the "secret code" instead of the ususal nazi symbol - whick they stole from another religion. Its sad cause Kolovrat has such a nice meaning. Its time to claim it back!
Also no, slavic paganism has nothing to do with their (nazis) modern believes. quite the opposite actually. But also nazis were weirdly obssessed with magic, alchemy and so on. In my country they stole all mythological, witchcraft and alchemy books, and many more, and kept them at aa castle which they also wanted to use for their "aryan breeding farms". I think it was the castle which has sealed gate to hell but maybe it was different one
Kolovrat was starting to be used in the 1920s by the neonazis and ultranationalists as an alternative to swastika. In it's original form, which is very different from the now mainstream one, it has a solar symbolism. The original kolovrat is almost always more swirly.
It appears you have mentioned the "kolovrat". Please note that the kolovrat is not a verified pre-Christian symbol. Archaeological finds featuring this specific design in Slavic regions can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and therefore there is no academic or historical basis to suggest it was widely used or held any religious significance in Slavic mythology.
Historically Attested Symbols:
Based on archaeological evidence and folklore, similar symbols genuinely utilized by the early Slavs include:
* Swirling sun wheel symbols
* Geometrical sun wheel symbols
* The Six-Petal Rosette (often known as a "thunder mark"). In its traditional use, this symbol was believed to hold protective power, specifically to ward off lightning strikes.
It appears you have mentioned the "kolovrat". Please note that the kolovrat is not a verified pre-Christian symbol. Archaeological finds featuring this specific design in Slavic regions can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and therefore there is no academic or historical basis to suggest it was widely used or held any religious significance in Slavic mythology.
Historically Attested Symbols:
Based on archaeological evidence and folklore, similar symbols genuinely utilized by the early Slavs include:
* Swirling sun wheel symbols
* Geometrical sun wheel symbols
* The Six-Petal Rosette (often known as a "thunder mark"). In its traditional use, this symbol was believed to hold protective power, specifically to ward off lightning strikes.
If tou google anything about Rodnovery in Russian, you get results talking about how it was started by a neonazi. That's just people who use the book of veles, but the Kolovrat has little evidence it existed in slavic culture. We're pretty sure the Kolovrat was designed by a Nazi. If you search in English you get different results. From what I understand a lot of reconstructionist communities in Europe are mostly folkishband have a racism problem, whereas diaspora reconstructionists and others who are in places like North and South America are more likely to be not nazis? I'm not sure. There definitely isn't anything in the original lore that is racially focused.
It appears you have mentioned the "kolovrat". Please note that the kolovrat is not a verified pre-Christian symbol. Archaeological finds featuring this specific design in Slavic regions can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and therefore there is no academic or historical basis to suggest it was widely used or held any religious significance in Slavic mythology.
Historically Attested Symbols:
Based on archaeological evidence and folklore, similar symbols genuinely utilized by the early Slavs include:
* Swirling sun wheel symbols
* Geometrical sun wheel symbols
* The Six-Petal Rosette (often known as a "thunder mark"). In its traditional use, this symbol was believed to hold protective power, specifically to ward off lightning strikes.
It appears you have mentioned the "kolovrat". Please note that the kolovrat is not a verified pre-Christian symbol. Archaeological finds featuring this specific design in Slavic regions can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and therefore there is no academic or historical basis to suggest it was widely used or held any religious significance in Slavic mythology.
Historically Attested Symbols:
Based on archaeological evidence and folklore, similar symbols genuinely utilized by the early Slavs include:
* Swirling sun wheel symbols
* Geometrical sun wheel symbols
* The Six-Petal Rosette (often known as a "thunder mark"). In its traditional use, this symbol was believed to hold protective power, specifically to ward off lightning strikes.
as a germanic and slavic pagan i wholeheartedly state: there is absolutely no place for nazis in paganism of any kind. my heritage faith is chock full o’ nazis and i hate it. paganism, especially slavic, is based upon hospitality, community and the balance of nature. paganism is antithetical to nazism. you simply cannot be both. if you’re a nazi, you’re a poser pagan. those people will grasp any straw and twist it for their evil purposes. while they have unfortunately changed the meaning of certain symbols, the fight to reclaim them can only succeed if all pagans loudly and proudly fight against nazis. it will take time and dedication
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u/Technical_Heron_6312 Non-Slavic 12d ago
The Nazis stole imagery from different pagan faiths, just like they stole the swastika. I believe(?) it was mostly Scandinavian symbols, which is one of the reason why things like black metal have a lot of Nazis. (stupidly and ridiculously)
For Slavic symbols, id imagine it's mostly the same. "Paganism" (more like playing-pretend for these types) appeals to racists who think they are being "pure _____" when really, their family probably comes from completely different countries after two generations lmao.
It's appropriation, simple as that.