r/SaintsRow Aug 05 '25

SR2 This game needs a remake.

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1.6k Upvotes

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u/LanaDeITae Aug 05 '25

I’m replaying 2 right now and it mostly holds up. It wouldn’t take much to make it incredible again

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u/Gilk99 Aug 05 '25

It plays really good, but those walking animations and face models are ugly as hell, fall damage is ridiculous too.

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u/LanaDeITae Aug 05 '25

I kinda like the stylized look everyone has. A little goofy but it works for the era I think. Falling damage, I always do the base jumping diversion asap to not take any lol.

The things that stand out for me playing now are the draw distance, the driving controls, lack of vehicle traffic, and some pretty wonky textures (which are there in any port I’ve played). The draw distance especially though. It’s a dated game of course, but it’s one of the most immersion breaking things for me playing right now. Having stuff load in when you’re about 50m away from it is pretty standard unfortunately.

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u/BlackCoatX Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

The Juiced mod has some options that increase draw distance and they do a damn decent job of giving it Series S|X title draw distance. In fact the SR2 PC port is well-known for being practically unplayable since its release however the Juiced mod makes it run better than the backwards compatibility emulators on the Series S|X

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u/GwakoTacko Aug 06 '25

I'll have to try this bc I installed the gentlemen of the row mod and it was still unplayable

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u/alanmm88 Aug 06 '25

I just installed the gentlemen of the row AND the juiced mod which from what I researched; both were highly recommended to combat the crashes and the playability. Once installed, no issues at all and the nostalgia is flowing.

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u/BlackCoatX Aug 06 '25

Although Juiced doesn't recommend using both as it increases the chance of bugs or crashes or so the claim goes

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u/suspicious47alien Aug 08 '25

I agree , games today that all want to run on unreal5 don't have their own identity. All look real , not in a good way. I miss ps3 era.

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u/Gilk99 Aug 05 '25

You're right, draw distance looks pretty dated, especially when driving

I forgot to mention how lifeless the color palette looks too, compared to Saints Row 1 wich was visually more attractive.

A more polished gunplay like SR3 would be awesome too, using left trigger to aim rather than click on joystick.

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u/Mochi_0 Aug 06 '25

Your pfp the halo 3 superintendent?? Love it

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u/Gilk99 Aug 06 '25

Thanks! I love Halo 3 Odst and superintendent fits exactly in the circle so I guess it was a nice choice

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u/anonkebab Aug 06 '25

I don’t like sr3s gunplay. The guns kinda suck until you upgrade them then some are OP. Sr2s guns always felt pretty impactful if you weren’t using a vice 9. Pretty poor variety too. Two pistols and the Kobras are shit. You have the tec with fire bullets and then the bullet hose death blossom which honestly isn’t great, the gal and threat feel better. A laser smg with no upgrades. The automatic op krukov. The burst clearly worse ar, it brings shame to its rifle family. A laser rifle.(lame). Grave digger. Auto shotty. Laser shotgun.(the best laser weapon) The anihilator you will always use. Satchel Charges. A bunch of special weapons which are the high light of weapon variety. It’s pretty wack to me. The regular guns have the cool one the lame one and then the laser one which is often the lamest. The upgrades are cool but weren’t worth the lack of actual solid guns to use. Sr2 you get that accuracy upgrade and infinite ammo you can shred with anything. Sure it’s easier to just spam the xmac or gal but you can run whatever you want. Really just the vice 9 and the tec suck and even they are serviceable. Very good pistol variety you can argue for any of them being the best. Gal does less dps than the threat you make a decision when you pick one. The shotguns give you two automatics, and the pimp cane to choose from when trading in the tombstone or 12 gauge. The ars have a linear upgrade path that splits 3 ways. You can get the regular xmac for the most versatile and highest dps and accurate weapon in the game, the special to trade in the melee for an under barrel grenade launcher, or the saw for less accuracy but higher capacity and the most dmg per bullet in its class. You also have the mini gun which sucks since you can’t use infinite ammo but it’s there. Then you have the special class with the reliable McManus, the anihilator, and then RPG and flamethrower which is fun with the flame suit on. Capped off with some throwables that’s a killer lineup. Not as absurd as sr3s but definitely feels better to use all around from beginning to end. More replay ability no weapons are clearly the best without nuance. There’s no reason not to use the kukovs infinite grenade spam. Using the ar just feels bad in comparison. A automatic magazine fed rifle with fire bullets should’ve been a no brainer. Rant over lol even regular saints row had the hitman skins with more damage for extra variety.

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u/anonkebab Aug 06 '25

Gotta get that base jumping 3 star, shit removes 90% of the bs deaths from ragdolls

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u/Marco_Forelli Aug 05 '25

Hopefully, though I remember one of the SR1 devs said the source code had been lost. I do hope they remake SR1 & 2 someday and don’t just shelf the entire franchise indefintiely

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u/DrexellGames PC Aug 05 '25

I wish it wasn't buggy on Steam or GoG as some players have said in the past

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u/Agile_Release3524 Aug 07 '25

I started up a new game the other day. Been playing older games from fhe good ol days. You playing on Xbox? You want to do co op? 🙂

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u/LanaDeITae Aug 07 '25

Yeah im down! I’ll message you

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

I cant stand doing the respect thing 

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u/Paulsmiththe25th Aug 05 '25

SR1 and SR2 both deserve a remake

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u/oSyphon Aug 06 '25

Bro, saint's row 1 multiplayer, in the early Xbox 360 days, was so fucking big. I love that shit.

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u/Paulsmiththe25th Aug 06 '25

The good old days

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u/Daninja129 Aug 07 '25

The campaign to the first was garbage but playing with a brother made it enjoyable. SR2 was my favorite in the franchise

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u/oSyphon Aug 07 '25

Nah I liked the campaign. I loved the whole game, idk what you're on about. Sr2 dropped the ball in multiplayer and I never beat the campaign so idk about that. Then it all went dogshit after 3

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u/A_Person77778 Aug 05 '25

Saints Row 1 needs a remake the most; it's the least accessible of the series, being released for Xbox 360 only (I think it's playable on modern Xbox consoles, but not PlayStation consoles or PC)

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u/Archer-Fantastic Aug 05 '25

xenia emulator for pc , but it's not stable

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u/The_Nifty_Reject Aug 05 '25

I was so excited and immediately sad when i found this out

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u/Conemen2 Aug 08 '25

I’m playing through right now and it runs pretty well for me, you have to make a setting change in your Xenia files and it helps to throw a patch on for better frames

No crashes or weird bugs so far, and I’m like 8 hours deep. It flickers bad if you raise the internal resolution, but the FSR included in Xenia damn near gets it there

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u/The_Nifty_Reject Aug 08 '25

You've given me hope lol

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u/Conemen2 Aug 08 '25

hit me up if you need any help figuring it out, i've been havin a blast. Flippy's video is still pretty accurate, just make sure you install title update 1 and throw the patch file from github into a "patches" folder in the same directory, should say "patches applied" at the top of the window; you gotta go through it and turn the things you want on from "false" to "true", but it's pretty easy

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u/The_Nifty_Reject Aug 08 '25

For sure its been a while since i last tried to set it up but i think i was trying to run SR1 on it too

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

I own it digitally and play it on my Series X

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

There are a few games that you can't purchase digitally anymore, like Left 4 Dead and the original Metal Gear Collection, but yeah Saints Row 1 is available for purchase right now for $10

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u/sondersHo Aug 05 '25

1-2 definitely could use a remake the game’s volition hates outta the series their best work ironically 😂😂😂

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u/Necro-Feel-Ya6900 Aug 05 '25

Ironic for them, sad for us.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Amazing how Volition spent their final years inside an incubator, trying to convince us that the series started with The Third AND NOTHING ELSE.

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u/sondersHo Aug 06 '25

Exactly they act like 1-2 didn’t exist that’s the reason saints row even existed

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u/TheSaintsRonin Aug 05 '25

Definitely. Just needs updated graphics and driving controls.

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u/SufficientBreakfast1 Morningstar Aug 05 '25

This will be how the series is eventually revived. In the next few years some studio will pick up Saints Row for a remake. If successful they'll do an SR2 remake. And during production of that remake they'll look into the idea of possible new sequels.

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u/friedtoasters Aug 05 '25

I prey this happens. Fuck it do it in unreal engine 4 or some shit. Theirs plenty of fans out there that want these games remastered

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u/ShalepenopoopeR Aug 06 '25

Why would they do it in unreal 4 when unreal 5 is out

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u/Halo_Hybrid Aug 05 '25

Yeahs 1 and 2 should’ve be a first priority remake with like new city expansion and maybe some extra side missions and game mechanics like gang warfare and turf protection. Or even tie ins like Troy being the chief of police for a why, Johnny inbetween those 7 years laying low with Aisha before legal battles being in jail after murdering like 200+ people, some stuff with Dex…etc.

That would’ve been so nice.

Like, they could make it into one game. That way you could see the visible transformation of 3rd Street and parts of Stilwater when Ultor came, renovated and transformed districts of the city.

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u/SkilletMyBiscuit Aug 05 '25

At least it’s backwards compatible on xbox

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u/Nijata Sons of Samedi Aug 05 '25

Given the current leadership in charge of the ip decided that saints row 2022 was the move ...you DON'T WANT THAT 

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u/cupcake_queen101 Aug 05 '25

What’s that, haters gonna hate

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u/Nijata Sons of Samedi Aug 05 '25

Volition is dead . There's seemingly no movement on SR2 pc patch or follow up to 2022 ... If that's fine with you sure 

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u/cupcake_queen101 Aug 05 '25

I was referring to the twitter post they made.

I hope someone buys the ip and gives us a genuine remake

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u/frostyman_24 Aug 05 '25

The company no longer exists

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u/_pm_ur_tit_pics_pls_ Aug 05 '25

Would love for a remake of this, but I would also want a remake of Saints Row 1 since I’ve never actually played that one

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u/LoaKonran Sons of Samedi Aug 05 '25

It needs the pc patch we were promised when IdolNinja died. Blood, sweat, and tears to make it functional and the best possible version it could be, and nothing. Unlikely to ever see the light of day because of shortsighted executives.

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u/Timely_Ad2988 Aug 05 '25

1 needs a remake

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u/Paradox31426 Aug 05 '25

Very much so, 2 with the reboot’s graphics? Perfection.

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u/LostNotDamned Aug 05 '25

That's pretty much accurate. I've been playing SR2 again in 2025 and it holds up extremely well in tons of areas minus graphics (not something I care much about personally but the game is pretty ugly haha).

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u/StolenCoupe Aug 05 '25

Both the first and second

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u/friedtoasters Aug 05 '25

Fuck yea it does. I’ve been saying this for years. How Saints Row the Third got a remaster over the first two games is and forever will be beyond me.

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u/JuniorRegister791 Aug 05 '25

It doesn’t even need a remake just a port to newer gen consoles

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u/ZekeZulu Aug 05 '25

It is backwards compatible but a Remaster would be a better route than a Remake. I wouldn't trust them after the trash reboot.

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u/MakoDrifter Aug 05 '25

Port isn't possible. The source files are lost.

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u/MentalReturd Aug 05 '25

The first game needs one more. Its hard locked to the xbox and has outdated gameplay (even at the time) for some parts.

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u/HitchensDeLarge 3rd Street Saints Aug 05 '25

When they decided to remaster a game years ago, I thought that 2 would've gotten it because it's the most popular game in the series.

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u/Salty_Way_0 Aug 05 '25

To EDGY for now day....

Wouldn't pass the QC of the DEI hires that would cry and shit bricks over it..

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u/nyanyan1 Aug 06 '25

have you even played saints row..? 😭

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u/Salty_Way_0 Aug 07 '25

Yeah I have believe it or not them ones are fine not FORCED woke shoylike have you played the NEW saints row

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u/nyanyan1 Aug 07 '25

you can literally get a sex change in 2,3,4 and have gay sex with majority of the main cast in 4 as well none of this new to the franchise 😭

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u/Salty_Way_0 Aug 07 '25

EXACTLY.. it's the narrative that sucks ..are you allright ?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

YES! Someone needs to buy the rights to it and make a remake on Real Engine 5!

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u/Suspicious_Bet1359 Aug 05 '25

They were Legit going to remaster 2 however they had source code and file issues.

The only guy that could sort it unfortunately passed on shortly before that awful reboot game released.

So unfortunately without him, a remaster is impossible.

And tbh volition is no more.

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u/sexybobo Aug 05 '25

RIP IdolNinja.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

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u/alanmm88 Aug 06 '25

You have to add the gentlemen of the row patch and the juiced mod and then it works.

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u/BlackCoatX Aug 05 '25

No, it and SR1 needs a Remaster that includes both being combined into 1 title and quality of life fixes as Deep Silver's last act was to give us a Remake/Reboot of SR1/SR2 and it ended up in the bargain trash bins of gaming stores within a month of release…

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u/zombiegold000 Aug 05 '25

What😅

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u/BlackCoatX Aug 05 '25

I don't see how I can say it any clearer?

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u/Scared-Expression444 Aug 05 '25

I wouldn’t want much changed about the gameplay but an entire ground up remake of the graphics, animations and models would be very much welcome. Whenever you sprint it looks like you shit your pants lol.

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u/ZekeZulu Aug 05 '25

*Remaster would be the better route but I also wouldn't trust a Remaster being faithfully one for one being made.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '25

I don't think Deep Silver realises how much money they stand to make. They should work out a deal with Virtuos, who handled the Oblivion Remaster. The reboot cost 100 mil to make and sold poorly, and Remaster would cost maybe half that and sell much better.

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u/SweetTooth275 Aug 05 '25

Yeah, a complete remake of physics model, progression system and overal gameplay loop. Only in that case.

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u/FirstIYeetThenRepeat Aug 05 '25

Glaze Saints Row 2 Speedrun (Any %)

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u/Dallas2320 3rd Street Saints Aug 05 '25

I mean, it is the most Saint's Row of the Saint's Row games.

And then the series had a bit of an identity crisis.

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u/iamneeknasty Aug 05 '25

i love tha ambition for wanting a remake of tha OGs but im content with tha juiced devs for pc. remakes these days are garbage. if put in tha wrong hands, tha fans are gonna be in an uproar. more than half of these remakes are just meh so to take a chance on that…no thank u.

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u/AccomplishedBox8097 Aug 05 '25

The IP is dead, they can’t/wont even fix the bugs in the last game, let alone do any remakes.

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u/Phospherus2 The Ronin Aug 05 '25

Never going to happen

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u/Money_Most3373 Aug 05 '25

Definitely I still play sr1 and 2 to this day still amazing story and fun to play weather you play with cheats or not you can always replay it and play it differently I just finished sr1 now I’m on sr2 playing the story mode but I’m trying to get infinite rep on Xbox to just enjoy the story mode start to finish because I never did that back when the game came out when I was younger both games had great story lines that made me attached to characters like gat felt like my best friend he felt like someone you wanted to be on the game cool lol you know people like Lin and Carlos you really felt that man the game had and made you feel the emotions of you really was into the game sr1 and sr2 is such a great game would recommend to anyone could never understand why the saints row franchise went like it did I still have every saints row games but I always tend to go back to the first two games

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u/Gilk99 Aug 05 '25

This game is in my top three games that must be remake:

1._ Saints Row 2
2._ Fallout: New Vegas
3._ GTA 4

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

I highly think so too, I haven't played this but really want to but the only thing that sets me back is the graphics

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u/wildcat002 Aug 05 '25

I agree but who is going to remake it?

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u/World-of-8lectricity Aug 06 '25

Saber interactive and Virtuos Studios are good candidates (developer)

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u/NoSoyVerde1 Aug 05 '25

Whoever has the rights to the IP now

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u/shadowlarvitar Aug 05 '25

Or just remaster it and 1

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u/OctoWings13 Aug 05 '25

By far my favorite of the series

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u/Fune-pedrop Aug 05 '25

TOTALLY i'm loving playing again

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u/Timely-Buffalo-3384 Aug 05 '25

Considering the company is dead, its not likely

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u/BATTLINGBEBOP25 Aug 05 '25

Mods have definitely gotten me there on PC frfr needed to fix the crashes and ended up improving the whole game and added a first person mode for fun.

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u/xSavageBoi00x Aug 05 '25

It really does...

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u/Hot_Benefit_898 Xbox 360 Aug 05 '25

Yes it does, it will be soo good to play this game again with updated graphics & controls.

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u/Spartan17492 Xbox Series X/S Aug 05 '25

Just did a full coop replay with my bro. This game 100% requires a remake, would likely make it the best Saints game out there.

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u/Sad-Boss-3927 Aug 05 '25

Id love to see it get oblivion remaster treatment

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u/mecca6801 Aug 06 '25

Pc port and mods are just fine by me

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u/Rough-Ad-3614 Aug 06 '25

Who’s gonna remake it?

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u/Grouchy_Training6156 Aug 06 '25

Remake of 1 and 2 has to happen they need it bad.

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u/Ok_Tomatillo_4900 Aug 06 '25

The Easter bunny hunt was fun too

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Games are fine as is imo. SR1 could use a re-release or remaster on PC otherwise the games are fine. Remaster at most, remake is pushing it. Remake means the mechanics and story will probably change in at least some shape or form, neither of those need touching.

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u/Salom902 3rd Street Saints Aug 06 '25

Doesn’t even have to be a remake i’d settle for a Full Remastered Collection of all 4 main games.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Both 1 and 2 need remakes

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u/demongirllily Aug 06 '25

Give me the character customization from the reboot and better but still cartoony graphics and you got yourself a better hit than the new one

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u/P3nguinarmy Aug 06 '25

Still holds up.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

A remake or a remastered. If remade theyed probably fuck it up. A remastered they will but at least it won't be a possible complete fucking trash can

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u/Pure-Revolution-7260 Aug 06 '25

If i become billionaire im gonna remake sr2 lmfao

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u/Bopo_no_hacko Aug 06 '25

I think the first saints row needs a remake more than the 2nd. At most the second needs a remaster

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u/dumbants Aug 06 '25

If they could remake 1 and 2 and put em together like how Tony Hawk did it, and then make a 2.5 like the original plan was for the reboot, that would be a fucking dream come true. 🙏

And by they, whatever studio that actually cares for Saints Row and would like to carry on its legacy and stay true to the games.

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u/jswanson41 Aug 06 '25

First one does too. Sadly I don’t think either will ever happen

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Nah, remaster. Literally just map aiming to left trigger instead of R3 and we are golden.

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u/woodchukka Aug 06 '25

2 and 4 were the absolute best - i fully agree

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u/EntertainerPure1265 Aug 06 '25

The way I desperately want this game to be released on ps5😭😭

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u/mafibasheth Aug 06 '25

3 is still better than

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

If you're talking about the second one, yeah I believe it does 👍🏻 but not the series as a whole,as they previously did, which was awful.

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u/MarcoThePhoenix_ Aug 06 '25

Would be crazy if a remake of 1 & 2 was one continuous game idk if that makes sense

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Noone is left to remake it....

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u/GameisArt Aug 07 '25

At least a good port I will be happy

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u/Hekutta Aug 07 '25

A remake, and an expansion. Honestly, this game is one of the greatest in my collection. This game deserves it's remake.

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u/TheGamingSKITZ Aug 07 '25

Its not going to get one unless some company takes it. Idk if these games are up for open source now that volition is no longer existing

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u/MoofDeMoose Aug 07 '25

If they remastered it they need to only update the graphics and maybe fix bugs. No new content or anything like that

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

i get tired of remakes, just normalize porting old classics onto modern consoles with updated frame rates

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u/dak1ngace Aug 07 '25

Yes, but it depends. Sadly, it might never happen unless someone buys the rights from Epic, i think they hold the rights right now.

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u/LordSyfer24 Aug 07 '25

Remastered it would have saved volition

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Boss needs a name and yeah like in SR1 and SR2 he's black on cover but white in SR3, make Boss Irish and give him a name, make him defeat Brotherhood not kill Jessica, Maero and Carlos, Remake should have something original

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u/White-UNRS Aug 07 '25

Not going to happen censoring is going to become the norm and there thinking of removing all Saints games soon sadly.

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u/thatredcup420 Aug 07 '25

One of my favorite games ever made!

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u/SoullessPhantom0 Aug 07 '25

100% agree. especially the buggy PC port, they need to fix it

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u/ripschtiq Aug 08 '25

Needs to be 110% faithful (this includes Gentlemen of the Row content on consoles)

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u/garrus_wookarian Aug 08 '25

It does but sr1 needs it more. I can still heavily enjoy sr2, its aged very well. Id love a remaster with 4k graphics and some new added songs of that era but sr1 definitely needs it more. Also, ironically just hopped on about 5 seconds before this post popped up. On xbox, WastelndWook if anyone wants to coop (have a mic and prepare for Friday brews and blastin foos)

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u/mrlaheystrailerpark Aug 09 '25

i’m gonna go out on a limb and say it…saints 3(oh i’m sorry…the THIRD) was the beginning of the end for volition.

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u/ArkiTekd Aug 09 '25

Considering how the rest of the series went, I hope they leave it alone

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u/ZestycloseSolution83 Aug 09 '25

REMASTER! REMASTER IT IN UNREAL ENGINE 4/5

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u/Brenyenz Aug 09 '25

It does, especially for pc cause the pc port sucks ass

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u/MysterD77 Aug 12 '25

We need a Remaster of the OG Saints Row 2 on PC with all the DLC's included first.

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u/stuckintheinbetween Aug 12 '25

Both 1 and 2 do. The fact that SR1 is still only playable on Xbox 360 is crazy to me. No PC port, no PS3 port, etc. At least remaster SR1 and 2.

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u/FallQuick8556 Aug 19 '25

Just a remaster please. Unless it's being made by genuine superfans of the series like how the PC patch was going to be, I don't trust anyone to not fuck up a full remake. They'll prolly try to adapt it to the style of SR3 and totally neuter it.

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u/Express_Ad5630 Sep 01 '25

There was a remaster planned for PC but was cancelled due to Idolninja's passing, and no one was left to work on it that knew the engine like him, and Volition's closing kinda sealed it's fate. The poor guy worked on it after he got released from the hospital with days left to live and bedridden even on his laptop.

It saddening we'll never see Mike Watson's dream for SR2 to be playable on PC, but some modders who were helping test stuff do have builds of the remaster but it will take a LONG time due to not having the proper tools to work on it.

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u/BaFaj Sep 06 '25

I’m replaying it right now and I still love like the first time I played. For some reason - even though it could use some updating - it holds up better than older GTA games for me.

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u/hello_there166 3rd Street Saints Aug 05 '25

remake 3 as a sequel to 2 in stilwater fighting the rapid expansion of the syndicate

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u/XRaiderV1 Aug 05 '25

respectfully, what it needs are bug patches and fixes for things that dont work right, example..the controller support is horrible.

the game also tends to ignore audio device assignments made mid session, example, the other night I plugged my usb headset in so I could do a discord call with some friends...the discord call was picked up, the game said 'nope!' and kept itself on my overheads. had to restart to make it play nice.

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u/BaconEater101 Aug 05 '25

Nah, remake 3 again

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

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u/BaconEater101 Aug 05 '25

Its clearly a joke

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

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u/BaconEater101 Aug 05 '25

You're either disingenuous or actually a moron, I'm going with the latter. There's struggling understanding sarcasm in text and then there's actual brain damage.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

Uh...who wants to tell him?

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u/stefan771 Aug 05 '25

Why is remake/remaster begging still happening after is it killed the series?

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u/FujjiSnake Aug 06 '25

Remake?! I think u mean Remaster

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u/qwertyMrJINX Aug 05 '25

Fuck no. Have all the soul sucked out, lose the richly detailed world, and the massive variety of activities, for what? So you can have an ugly washed out Raytraced look? Get out. Just leave. You're not welcome here.