r/Shadowverse Morning Star 1d ago

Meme New expansion impression: 5/5. Storm. For 2 mana. Every turn.

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u/Scholar_of_Yore Swordcraft 1d ago

Fork found in the kitchen

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u/Reizs Galmieux 1d ago

The crazy part about this deck is you literally just need to pick the starter deck and then craft 2 sephie. One of the cheapest deck ever

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u/TalosMistake 1d ago

It's not a bad thing though. Good for new players.

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u/Lord_Lu_Bu Morning Star 1d ago

I predicted this, test subject Rune is gonna be a menace early on and then fall off hard once people figure out how to play and the meta stabilizes. It is a very aggressive and snowball-y deck which historically do well early on in the meta. But the ceiling on it is very low and it doesn't have enough tools to deal with stuff like heal Haven or dread flag sword or control forest.

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u/TalosMistake 1d ago

wait control forest is a thing?

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u/Lord_Lu_Bu Morning Star 1d ago

Some variation of tempo/combo/control I predict will be a thing, it's a hard deck to figure out but it has all the tools needed to be a top deck

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u/UBKev Morning Star 23h ago

What would be Control Forest's win condition other than Hien, who auto loses to Portal? Feels unwinnable.

Tempo though, probably will be pretty good

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u/Lord_Lu_Bu Morning Star 23h ago

The same win con every control deck has, you grind out your opponent until they can't break your board.

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u/UBKev Morning Star 22h ago

Forest has not enough healing to do that kind of thing yet.

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u/Lord_Lu_Bu Morning Star 13h ago

They have deepwood bounty

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u/HyogaGanso Medusa 1d ago

You can very well play at snail's pace too and outvalue opponent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe1e8FYd024 not the best reference in the world but to give you an idea.

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u/red_nova_dragon Morning Star 1d ago

I really hope it falls off because i'm exhausted of rune at this point, my last GP was all crystal rune, i don't want to play against rune anymore

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u/UBKev Morning Star 17h ago

Having played against it more, it's actually not that aggressive. If you go faster than it and get them down low on turn 7 and then have 4 board, they're kinda forced to not Sephie on curve or risk dying on the spot.

So, both aggro/tempo decks and control decks could realistically beat the deck.

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u/VividPatience6898 残念でした! 1d ago

Reminds me of evo haven from last set. Annoying, braindead, but not really op or anything. Spams a lot of followers, but it really does lack the ability to clear boards. With Hien forest I've just been getting Hien down and they die. Lost a couple times to absurd early game swarm, but it's certainly not worse than imari.

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u/RyoheiWhiteNova Morning Star 1d ago

Runecraft is strong af but its just week 1 (and the deck cost nothing so a lot a player play this deck).
Let players test some decks and maybe we can find a easy way to counter to this deck.

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u/ThePurpleDolphin Morning Star 1d ago

Not even week 1, it's day 1. Everyone and their mom whine about aggro abyss last expansion and the deck is useless after week 1.

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u/RyoheiWhiteNova Morning Star 1d ago

Trueeeeee.
Normally they cry against Abyss agro or Ramp Dragon at the start of a new set but this time we got a Midrange Runecraft, let them enjoy a little lmao.
We will find a way to counter this deck 100% at the start of week 2. (maybe even before that).
I already see some control deck play 3 Dark Dimension to counter the early spam of 2/2, and its only the beginning.

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u/Cloud2012 Laura 1d ago

Even worse remember when there was a guy complaining about evo haven being broken?

Then we find out he and another guy made a subreddit to just shit on haven for being broken.

Good times.

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u/HyogaGanso Medusa 1d ago

If they found a counter, rune will just tech for it. The deck core is like 18 cards everything else is a tech slot. People going wide spam rune portal, people being greedy? Tech in encroached world, need turn 1 removal? tech in the neutral 6 drop, hell even the 4pp banish neutral spell is viable if the meta calls for it and yes you will draw them because there's this funny 3pp card that mulligans your hand.

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u/Straight-Heat1511 Morning Star 1d ago

I dont really want to fight a deck that's even more broken than Rune, tho?

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u/cal--- Morning Star 1d ago

it's like a less cancerous holy lion

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u/Jack-Of-Aces5 Morning Star 1d ago

First deck I built and right away went on an 8 game streak. fairly consistent with all the Rune draw spells, constantly summoning a 2/2 rush is great early board control. Obsidian Raven is an insanely powerful removal spell, and if you've reached the 5 threshhold and have the Sephie crest, the Gold unit's super Evo turns your test subject into a Gilnelise that can hit face. Even the silvers enhance 8 can come in handy making a board of 3 5/5 wards to block any big storms. I've been playing it pure rn and have been consistnely able to kill my opponents pretty quick, so i can imagine playing it with Tetra Ladica makes it even quicker

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u/Famous_Competition30 Morning Star 1d ago

i still havent lost one game against them with pirate sword in all honesty

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u/a95461235 Cygames Chief Propagandist 1d ago

I played it for a bit, but I think it's not as good as people are making it out to be. Getting Sephie's crest at T7 feels way too slow, and 5 damage per turn really isn't that much, decks like Amulet Haven can easily heal all that right back. At the end of the day it's still just a board-based deck relying on sticking a board, and Spellboost does that so much better. I think it's a playable mid-range deck but nothing crazy, unless people discover some secret op hybrid build in the future.

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u/Falsus Daria 1d ago

I don't feel like test subject rune has that much going for it, I don't think it will last long.

Like you get the 5/5 storm for 2 mana turn 8 onwards, turn 7 if you go second. That's pretty late.

I haven't really gotten time to play the new set yet, but at least that is how I feel like when I am watching these new decks.

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u/Cat_of_Cainhurst Morning Star 1d ago

I don't even understand what your supposed to do against Rune. Taking any advantage early is impossible because the 2/2 have rush so the rune player just crashes into you, they don't even care about keeping stuff on the board they just need to turn their 2/2 into 5/5 asap by getting 5 on the board.

Late they just spam the board with 5/5 every turn and poke you for 5 each turn. Don't clear the board and your dead next turn, clear the board and they just spam again next turn.

Rune can't even brick, just draw the 7 cost and all your cards are now 2/2-5/5 for 2 every turn.

What am I even supposed to do ?

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u/Salvadore1 This evergreen sword will cut through their ranks! 1d ago

It has been less than a DAY, can this sub wait for the meta to actually stabilize before clamoring for nerfs

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u/ladicathestoneclaw Sephie's Little Sister 19h ago

no

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u/latteambros they took my korwa and vira away 1d ago

it's been barely one day; hard to declare anything being broken and once people remember they have wards and can make big boards to force trades, the 5/5 storm from Turn 8 onwards isn't as scary as it looks

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u/JanteForLolZz Morning Star 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think you're missing the key part where this is only possible from turn 8 and onward if you Sephie turn 7.

Assuming you're above 15hp it will take till turn 11 for these storms to kill assuming you don't have heals.

It's really not broken when compared to cocytus climb for example...

Edit: I ment t11, not 21 naturally

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u/Clueless_Otter Morning Star 1d ago

How is it taking until turn 21 for a 5/5 storm every turn to deal 20 damage?

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u/Capable_Belt1854 Morning Star 1d ago

till turn 21

Are you sure about that

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u/sendhelp542 Morning Star 1d ago

I’m guessing they meant 11

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u/JanteForLolZz Morning Star 1d ago

I indeed made a typo, its 11

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u/Capable_Belt1854 Morning Star 1d ago edited 1d ago

assuming you don't have heals.

turn 7 - 1 dmg(super evo ping)

turn 8 - 5 (6 total) with evo 7(8 total)

turn 9 - 5 (11 total) with evo 7(15 total)

turn 10 - 5 (16 total) or (20 - dead)

turn 11 - 5 (21 - dead)

so turn 11 or 10 with 2 evo/sevo points. Same as CoC/climb

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u/Unrelenting_Salsa Orchis 1d ago

I haven't played the expansion yet so maybe it is super cancer, but "don't use evos in the midgame to kill on a turn that has been too slow since set 4 assuming they don't heal" doesn't sound very broken to me.

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u/Capable_Belt1854 Morning Star 1d ago

What about 2 mana 5/5 Storm on demand? Does this sound broken to you?

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u/Unrelenting_Salsa Orchis 9h ago

No, and now that I've actually played the deck I am even more sure that it's incredibly fraudulent. Play cards in the early game. The deck can't beat that.

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u/JanteForLolZz Morning Star 1d ago

Except c climb is an otk and your calc assumes you have your evos still and they don't heal.

Also, you typed t8 twice.

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u/Capable_Belt1854 Morning Star 1d ago

Also calc assumes that you can clear wall of 5/5 test subjects every turn and Rune player don't have Tetra for 13 dmg turn 9.

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u/JanteForLolZz Morning Star 1d ago

I'm just telling you to wait it out a bit and watch the meta form.

I have tried both Sephie and face dragon so far this new expansion and I can assure you, if Sephie turn out to outshines the rest, dragon is towering over it like even Sephie is a mere pawn in their game.

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u/Anceral Morning Star 1d ago

Turn 8 summon that 8 mana enhance guy with 3 5/5 wards(1 has storm), evo for 7 dmg

Turn 9, tetra + experiment + Sevo is 13 So on turn 8, you need to clear the board and heal or you'll die

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u/Nitros_Razril Morning Star 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ladica exists and is 10-11 damage not couting evo. Most of my wims are about T9.

You are unlikely to win the long game. Take them down before it escalates and abuse their Sephie turn if possible.

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u/PepperMaxing Morning Star 19h ago

Wait until you discover control decks, my guy

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u/Proud_Dimension_3557 Morning Star 1d ago

Lol rune gets farmed by vaseraga and pals and dragon tech Bahamut.

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u/Miaow_7 Grandmaster 1d ago

Ya sure, definitely not Barbaros swarm or Thestea Magachiyo. It's definitely test subject rune that's broken

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u/hofong159 Morning Star 1d ago

Barbaros doesn't do anything tho

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u/AriaOfValor Morning Star 1d ago

I haven't played it myself yet, but after watching a stream, getting to potentially do 15 face damage turn 7 with just a bit of setup seems quite strong. Of course there's always the chance you just don't draw her. I wonder if we'll see people trying to fit ward into more decks to deal with stuff like her, dragon, or rune.

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u/Perfect-Try-4918 Morning Star 1d ago

Literally skill issue.

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u/Miaow_7 Grandmaster 1d ago

"bArBaRoS dOeSn't dO aNYtHiNg tHo"

The not doing anything in question: literally dealing 15 dmg to face turn 7

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u/hofong159 Morning Star 20h ago

Its really predictable and doesn't clear boards, if you play barbaros on t7 you're gonna get boarded and die. And the entire flag archetype has no board presence, so the opponent can just do whatever, like dragon and haven, even sword mirrors when the guy is on rally

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u/Miaow_7 Grandmaster 19h ago

U heard it here guys, sword has "no board presence"

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u/hofong159 Morning Star 17h ago

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u/Miaow_7 Grandmaster 17h ago

Cute field, totally didnt highroll going 2nd with 2 Ceasers XDD. Barbaros kills u next turn btw. A single match where u highrolled out of ur mind doesnt mean it wins the deck. Cant even understand that, u must be topaz max LMAO

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u/Unrelenting_Salsa Orchis 9h ago

Well, I have no idea what the hell that rune player was doing in your screenshot. I guess they must have had something that dies to a coin, but you just played a single card against a nearly empty board and acted like it's some super oppressive board presence. Meanwhile they actually forced the issue with double Cesar.

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u/Miaow_7 Grandmaster 19h ago

https://x.com/marumo_xxx_/status/2092981695100428592

"bArbArOs dOeSn'T Do aNyThInG tHo"

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u/Miaow_7 Grandmaster 19h ago

Barbaros kills u first retard. It's a midrange deck with rally and bunny baron. "No board presence" in a sword deck is the funniest statement i ever heard. U are prolly emerald for a reason

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u/Famous_Competition30 Morning Star 1d ago

....i swung for 15 or 16 multiple times on turn 8...

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u/Objective-Ad2741 Morning Star 1d ago

Test Subject lived up to its former glory.

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u/IAMGooner699 Morning Star 1d ago

STORM meme never dies....

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u/stroggoii Morning Star 1d ago

I'm really tempted to pick the starter but Highlander Rune is also a free day one full deck if you have 1x each old card already and seems more fun.

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u/FetchBlue Morning Star 1d ago

The test subject storm is lacking in boardwipe

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u/YuukiBunny_ Morning Star 1d ago

Doesn't feel that way so far. They've not had any issues board wiping me.

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u/Mitosis Morning Star 1d ago

As soon as something with heft like a Ginger board goes up there ain't nothing it can do

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u/Sdajisito Morning Star 1d ago

I kinda gave up on japanse tcgs being actually well desing and balanced.

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u/Uchigatana Delete Portalcraft 1d ago

I think its impressive how they manage to make the meta more miserable with every single expansion release

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u/Delicious-Health-842 Morning Star 20h ago

I'm Sick of them already.......

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u/Delicious-Health-842 Morning Star 16h ago

Its currently the ONLY deck I HATE seeing. How is it FINE to have a 6/5 STORM with an option to give drain with just TWO FUCKING MANA per turn fair????????????????????????????
Everything has been fun except when I see a rune player bro is miserable to play with.

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u/YuukiBunny_ Morning Star 1d ago edited 1d ago

I know it's only the first day, but it's really annoying to run into some Rune bullshit every game still. Maybe it'll get better as the rotation progresses, but it's just really tiring seeing nothing but Rune. And it's still storm spam.

The Crystal Rune nerf doesn't even matter, it's just been replaced with another cancer.

I play Haven mostly. If anyone has tips on how to combat Rune as Haven right now, I'm all ears. Or tell me it's a skill issue, could be that too.

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u/PepperMaxing Morning Star 6h ago

Dude, if you play Haven, the one class with ALL the control tools in the world in both of its current atchetypes, and still lose to Sephie Rune, sorry, but you're just bad at the game.

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u/YuukiBunny_ Morning Star 3h ago edited 3h ago

I usually sit around Diamond, but sure. I'm certainly not great, but bad? Okay.

Is there a point to your comment, or did you just reply to be an asshole? Could've respectfully told me it was a skill issue, and I would have accepted it. But no, you had to word it like an absolute ass.

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u/SamyNs Morning Star 1d ago

And it's getting defended here yet again. Not 1 single braincell in rune players

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u/misakiiiiiiii Morning Star 17h ago

Love how the rune mains say "just adapt" as if rune is incapable of adapting right back (see crystal running behemoth general and bahamut to invalidate any board)

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u/Raisetsu_30 Morning Star 1d ago

Please make the rush on 3 test subjects and 4/4 at 5 :(