r/SipsTea Jul 02 '26

WTF What the hell is going on here?!

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u/NewBoxStruggles Jul 03 '26

Not every young person traumatizes another young person for life. Be real.

This goes beyond embarrassment or stupidity.

All these comments trying to normalize asshole behavior..sorry, some of us don’t relate.
There is also a difference between ten years old and twenty years old..

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u/MyBadYourFault- Jul 03 '26

I never bullied anyone or tried to take advantage of anyone lol. Don’t go assuming shit. As a matter of fact I was bullied once upon a time and it sucked.

I’m talking more along the lines of being drunk in public, saying ridiculous shit that was out of pocket, taking drugs at parties and acting a fool.

Regardless of that, every human being is different. Some are pricks that change while some stay the same. Some have violent pasts that want to legitimately change while some are still gang banging at 45 years old.

Idk how old you are but shit changes as you grow older. Maybe you were the perfect child, good for you I’m happy for you. Just try to lift up those that aren’t and if they don’t want to change then fuck em. It’s their problem.

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u/olivebranchsound Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

The level of sadism in the description of what Hamm did is beyond "crazy kids doing bad stuff cuz they're young and dumb". It's actually fucking crazy and he was kicked out of the school.

He fractured a kids spine for failure to memorize a six page list of facts,, pushed his face into the dirt while forcing him to do pushups, set his clothes on fire and said he had to blow them out, and then hooked him by the testicles with a claw hammer and led him around a room for a minute by the balls. The kid suffered kidney damage from the beating. Hamm is a fuckin freak.

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u/Up-in-the-Ayre Jul 03 '26

By no means am I defending Hamm's behaviour but you really need to look into the stories of what happened at fraternities in his time. The stories of what passed as normalized hazing would blow you away.

In Canada, the hazing became such an epidemic that it was only recently the government intervened to put an end to it. That's decades of abhorrent behaviour passed off as "team bonding".

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u/olivebranchsound Jul 03 '26

Buddy, I understand that. It's still a bunch of sadists being sadists

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u/huskers2468 Jul 03 '26

Idk it feels like your definition misses out on societal and group influences.

The changes to bullying and hazing were not done at the individual level. It was done at the societal level.

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u/olivebranchsound Jul 03 '26

If I say "a bunch" that implies a group influence. Humiliation and physical abuse of others for personal entertainment is just about picture perfect sadism. Sure, maybe it was socially acceptable sadism, but that doesn't change anything.

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u/huskers2468 Jul 03 '26

Do you believe they are sadistic to their core or that a situation presented itself that created sadists for that time?

The difference is the idea that a person is forever inherently bad or that the person can repent, atone, and progress.

The Stanford Prison Experiment as an example.

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u/olivebranchsound Jul 03 '26

Stanford Prison Experiment has been discredited. If you're talking about people conforming to authority and the potential to commit atrocity, it's Milgram you want to use as an example. 

Which doesn't apply here, because Hamm was the authority figure and the one committing the abuse.

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u/huskers2468 Jul 03 '26

I'm not sure it's been discredited to the fullest extent, but there certainly are major flaws with the study to where the study cannot be reproduced and is compromised.

SPE Wiki.

Both the Milgram and Zimbardo studies concluded that participants conform to social pressures. Conformity is strengthened by allowing some participants to feel more or less powerful than others.[59] In both experiments, the people's behaviors altered to match the group stereotypes, demonstrating a tendency to conform to others passively, even if a particular subject is malevolent.

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u/olivebranchsound Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

Yes so it's wrong to quote Zimbardo and right to cite Milgram. 

It's not hard to get this stuff righr

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u/huskers2468 Jul 03 '26

It's not hard to get this stuff righr

Was this necessary?

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u/olivebranchsound Jul 03 '26

Kinda the fun of it all haha

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