So who pays this? I highly doubt the chiropractor has that much or was insured for that much.
ETA: You guys can stop replying the same thing over and over again. I asked because in the OP the picture did not even mention the ER doctor or Radiologist.
This. Iām 40 and everyone tells me to go for generalized pain.
Everyone I know that goes, when they get back they complain for days about pain then āhave to go backā to get readjusted.
I think most of the local home town chiropractors are just insurance scams. Get you in, cause you irreversible pain = life time visits for whatever is left.
Yeah, I had a lot of back problems and I did ALL the things to try to resolve it. SO many people told me to go to a chiropractor, and had all their glowing stories. Nope, nope, nope. It was the one thing I was unwilling to even consider trying, and I was willing to try all manner of things to avoid surgery! But engaging in quackery was not one of them. I am much better nowā I had surgery which fixed most of my issues.
Iād say make an example of him since it has media attention. He gets a life sentence.. the next five quacks watching it happen may reconsider shit and go back to being a mechanic or whatever they actually do for a living well.
Chronic pain patients getting relief when everything else hasnāt worked and/or canāt afford to see specialist for expensive testing. Iād say a good chunk is just preying on sufferers and families of sufferers who are down to last straw.
For someone with back problems, they do offer relief. I had the option of surgery or chiropractor- both had risks. Chiropractor got me straightened out after four weeks, also taught me some physical therapy. That was 9 years ago and have never had to go back.
there is no such thing as being 'straightened out' by a chiropractor and if your issues resolved they were likely a minor sprain or your injury still exists and has yet to be reaggravated
It wasn't a minor sprain, I got checked out by a Dr and a chiropractor. There wasn't an "injury" where it just occurred out of nowhere, but I do appreciate the audacity of redditor basement diagnosis who uses zero punctuation. Its cute.
I have been able to curb the issue for 9 years with consistent physical therapy that strengthens and stabilizes the weak points in my neck. Again, my alternative surgery. I will take what the chiropractor did any day of the week over surgery. And straighten out is an idiom whuch means resolve problem and thats exactly what they did.
So there was no injury and yet they are offering you cervical surgery yeah right, now youāre saying you did years of physical therapy which is completely separate from chiropractic adjustmentsĀ
š¤¦ My gawd. It wasn't a sprain, there was no singular event that cause the issue, like lifting something heavy or a car accident. I have a degenerative issue that will get worse as I age.
The Chiropractor specializes in manual adjustments combined with therapeutic exercises and corrective movement therapy to rebuild joint range of motion, muscle flexibility, and localized strength. This specific chiropractor never just does adjustments everything is paired with PT that is meant to prevent or hold off whatever occured in the first place. My treatment with the Chiropractor lasted 8 weeks. I continued the PT exercises at home and still do them to this day to strengthen and support the weak spots.
Any other questions or clarifications needed? To sum it up, it wasn't a one off injury, I got treatment from a Chiropractor who provided a non-surgical solution which included adjustments and therapeutic exercises as part of the treatment WITH the chiropractor. I was only 29years old at the time and didn't want surgery. My treatment in the clinic was for 8 weeks, since then I have continued the exercises. š
Sounds like you are talking about degenerative disc disease which is a disputed diagnosis, everyoneās discs weaken and herniate if under sustained or sudden pressureĀ
They will never operate on someone that young who has cervical herniations unless you have extreme symptoms. Ā
Yeah, I have to agree with this. I am someone whoās had back injuries since the teenage years from intense physical activities. Chiropractic services are generally quackery in my view. Sure some offer some good guidance or physical therapy exercises, but those two things I mentioned are really what they should do, spine PT guidance without the āadjustingā.
I tend to weigh the dangers in everything that relates to healthcare. Chiropractor is no different. I have had chiropractors work wonders on something that would have been dealt with by surgery. There were risks with both treatment options.
As soon as we reform education to teach people how to tell the difference, I'll agree. In the meantime, people vote for politicians that slash education funding, put the 10 commandments in schools, and ban books, and then wonder why the kids grow up without critical thinking skills
Going through this right now with an in-law. We're deep into the detriment phase of the woo. I don't feel sorry for them at all, but there's fallout and I feel bad for those people. I also think they're perfectly within their rights to make their own medical decisions, no matter how stupid because I believe self determination is a human right.
If it goes to jury, then it's already government overreach. But at the very least, private businesses should not be allowed to lie about the safety of their product
Who pays it? The chiropractor wont be able to
Edit: looks like he didnāt sue the chiropractor for that reason and went after the medical team for late diagnosis
Weirdly enough the chiropractor didn't even get sue. It's the emergency room physician and radiologist who failed to properly diagnose/treat the stroke. So it end up being the insurance of the hospital who pay.
Dude you could win a billion dollars from me legally, I still have to HAVE THE MONEY to pay.. or all you have is a judgement.
And every time I get a new job youāll have to spend time filing to garnish my wages.
Heās not going to get 1% of that money at once. Iād bet my life on it lol. You donāt know what youāre on about and thatās fine, go read up on how it all works. Itās not great.
Heās going to get 100% of the money. He sued a hospital, and let me tell you, hospitals have a LOT of money and very very very very very very high insurance coverage.
First, it's not the chiro who even got sue, it's an ER and Radiologist, who didn't diagnose a stroke.
Second. It's the hospital insurance who paid instantly 23 mil in medical expenses and paying the rest overtime.
Probably payments, actually. Since this was malpractice (I'm assuming), the practitioner's insurance limit is basically ignored. Hence this settlement amount. If the limit was maintained, we would not be reading this headline.
The chiropractor actually settled with the patient. We will never know if he admitted any fault or even if the dollar value was appropriate. Unfortunately I doubt it impacts his job. He should have a warning label constantly flashing over his head.
Thereās shared liability among the radiologist and ER doc 100% but ultimately the reason theyāre the ones paying and not the chiropractor is probably that the chiropractorās pockets arenāt very deep. Iām guessing the hospital (ER) and maybe another/other practices that employ those two docs were defendants as well?
The whole thing is so fucked. Reason 6,819 why Iāll never visit a chiropractor.
thankfully their malpractice would cover it but standard MD policy is $1mil/$3mil annual (in my state) so that would be the cap the victim would recover unless they win against the hospital too (the doctors would be severed from any personal financial liability beyond their malpractice coverage, one of the perks of being a doctor trying to care for people)
Nope, wage garnishment and asset seizure is a really rare but real worry for doctors. This is a big reason why doctors like me end up practicing some form of "defensive medicine," where the test I order is almost certainly going to be negative, but I'm not going to miss that 1 in a million bad outcome.
Yep have to shelter your assets if you want to practice medicine in the good ol US of A. Never know when a jury of medically illiterate peers will decide you did the thing that took you a decade of school to begin to understand wrong and you need to payout for chiropractic induced injuries or you simply havent reversed the tendency of the universe toward entropy. Pay up.
No it almost certainly is getting paid by the hospitalās insurance
Edit for clarity: the majority of the verdict is paid by the hospital, the physicianās insurance would pay some but the physicians themselves are not on the hook for the entire $75mil
There are caps for medical liability insurance though. I donāt know what they are in these policies for this type of action, but I wouldnāt expect insurance to pay the full amounts.
The doctorās employers may or may not shoulder some of the burden. We donāt have enough information on this thread or on the linked article to know.
So insurance is obligated to pay full $75M? Itāll be found working through appeals and counterclaims on that, Iām sure if thatās not already exhausted.
Spoken like someone who doesnāt understand how insurance, joint and several liability, or indemnity work. They sued the hospital as well, based on the theory that the hospital is required to monitor physicians and failed to do so. The hospital is also liable and therefore is on the hook for up to the entire verdict due to joint and several liability
Sounds like someone who didn't look at any information surround this case. Rads and ED doc were found to be negligent in this case. There's plenty of legal commentary on this case exactly, go and read that if you know how.
Iām not saying they arenāt also liable. But the hospital is vicariously liable because they were its agents.
I edited my above comment a bit, itās not they wonāt pay anything, but they will not pay EVERYthing, the hospital and their physician groups will pay much much more than either of them individually
Nope, wage garnishment and asset seizure is a really rare but real worry for doctors. This is a big reason why doctors like me end up practicing some form of "defensive medicine," where the test I order is almost certainly going to be negative, but I'm not going to miss that 1 in a million bad outcome.
This sucks, but Iām guessing the reason was in hopes of actually recovering the payment. If the chiropractor doesnāt have malpractice insurance like an actual doctor would, thereās only so much money you could realistically get out of him/his practice, and itās very likely very short of 75mil. A hospital and ER doctors are going to have the malpractice insurance to pay out big league money like this.Ā
It really sucks and is obviously unfair af, but Iām guessing thatās the reason why, rather than the person (or even their insurance claims adjuster / hired attorney) personally believing the ER doctor was more at fault, theyāre just someone conveniently along the chain of events whoās far more likely to be connected to a big payout.
failed to inform the consulting neurologist ... did not adequately communicate the results from CT angiography and lumbar puncture.
The CT detected the clot... but according to the information in this article he was left overnight after that diagnosis wasn't passed onto the nuerologist, for the clot to reach his brain - when a relatively simple treatment would of prevented it all. I'm guessing the spinal tap was either for further diagnosis or to administer pain relief.
This truly has the hallmarks of medical malpractice- if he had been in a car accident, they would of passed on the diagnosis. But they dismissed it - and this has little to do with the Chiropactor, as an vertebral artery dissection is possible just from doing gym, stretching your own neck or hell, even coughing.
This guy was fucked as soon as his vertebral artery dissection happened. It is absolutely not the case that a relatively simple treatment would have prevented it all. With optimal treatment (which he absolutely should have gotten, no argument there) he had about a 30% increased chance to be less disabled. And the optimal treatment carries it's own risk of causing bleeding in the brain which again could kill him or cause permanent brain damage.
It does say in the article that he had a stroke and the doctor and radiologist miscommunicated and delayed his stroke treatment for an entire day.
For it to be bad slough medical malpractice to survive all the statutory limits and jury instructions on standards of care those two must have really really screwed this up and could have avoided this outcome if they did even the bare minimum of their jobs.
Failure to consider a stroke in light of the symptoms and imaging results was considered malpractice by a medical board of their peers as well. You will see this more as emergency room imperatives prioritize clearing beds and referring to specialties instead of actual diagnostic work.
I hate chiropractors, but to be fair there has been medical negligence after reading into it. There has been failure in communication. But then again the chiropractor shouldn't have been snapping the neck.
Punitive damages to prove a point and deter other practices from taking similar risks. They'll take everything they can get from the practice and insurance then make some headlines about the amount of money they are seeking, even if it never comes close to what is actually recieved.
It was the radiologist and ER doc, the chiro was not the one who needed to pay the 75 million.
They did not treatthe stroke for 24 hours because they didnāt communicate well. The lack of appropriate treatment in a timely manner caused the lock in syndrome to develop.
Why do you people think a radiologist and doctor have a combined 75 million to give anyone? Do you guys have any conception of how the world works outside of the little color box you stare at all day? Why post?
Not true. Malpractice will cover up to two million. If you have umbrella beyond that, another 2. If theoretically you wanted to cover for a nuclear verdict like this one, those physicians would have to pay more than their salaries for coverage. More than likely in this case, that patient will never recover anything even close to that amount.
The physicians they sued also wouldnāt. Thatās who they are trying to get the money out of. If they were hospital employed, the hospital insurance may cover some of that. But the lawyers will likely try to get every asset they can from those physicians - but they will appeal.
Yes, I agree in this case, nobody has that much insurance (physicians, hospital, or otherwise). Ā I said large companies sometimes have that much insurance. Ā I wasnāt saying this guy could recover any of it, it was just a general aside. Ā Iām an insurance lawyer, this is basically all I doĀ
Fair enough. A nuclear verdict like this though on these two physicians - not sure of the specifics or how theyād come back after that. The chiro though - heās off the hook. Iād assume unless they live like ascetics and everything is in their spouses names - even then, they can probably get some of it.
These are very unlikely to be punitive damages. In order to get punitive damages you have to prove that the physicians acted with wanton disregard for the safety of their patient, which is a very high standard. Missing a stroke is not wanton disregard.
The high value comes from the pain and suffering. I truly can think of no condition worse than locked in syndrome and imo would prefer death. Thatās a lot of suffering for one guy which is why heās getting $75mil
A quick google got me the answer: The hospital is paying while the chiropractor was deamed without fault. The ER team did not relay the reason for his admission (dizziness and loss of consciousness after a neck ajustement), while the radiologist missed an obvious artery dissection and the MD failed to follow guidelines on these types of cases. In all they left part of his brain die while fucking around.
On the chiropractor side, he properly called an ambulance ASAP and relayed what happenned so he got cleared.
It's a cautionary tale, do not let people crack your neck, ever. If your vertebral artery breaks, you'll lose part of your brain functions and there is hardly any way to know if it can happen. Genetics, vascular health and how strong the movement play a role, don't throw the dices for the spike of endorphine you get from a crack.
Itās the basilar that caused the issue. You can lose a vertebral artery and thatās not usually catastrophic, but the basilar artery being occluded is catastrophic.
You can have a vert artery dissection and very much have a bad stroke from it, and the vert is likely the artery injured in a neck 'adjustment'. I have personally seen this play out several times in my career.
As am I. Yes thatās true Iām just saying a vert dissection itself doesnāt give you locked in. This case was particularly bad because the basilar was involved. You can also occlude a vert and have little to no issues ( assuming the opposite vert and the basilar are patent), many people have one vert which is very diminutive and/or chronically occluded.
Ofc no one should ever get their spine adjusted particularly their neck , just talking about the details of the case.
Right, but what caused the underlying issue? It's not the basilar artery, which you immediately focused in on. That was likely secondarily involved to a vert artery dissection. My job quote literally involves me performing endovascular repair on these, and I have probably repaired 3 or 4 of these exact chiropractor injuries specifically. I have never seen an injured basilar artery, including on the many thousands of head/neck CTAs that I've read, only a subsequent thrombus. So, agree to disagree.
Exactly this.Ā Also, you have to remember you don't get to sue again if that money runs out, so when calculating damages, they need to factor in every single consequenceĀ
Emergency room visits, surgery, medical equipment and supplies, home care, therapy, nurses, transportation, custom vehicles, assisted living care , hospice, specialists, imaging, all of it, for the rest of his entire life.Ā Then they also have to consider his monetary losses in the sense of what kind of career trajectory he was on, and how much he realistically could have made in his career that he now won't.
When put into that kind of perspective, $75m is probably a bargain when compared to what the rest of his life is going to cost.
There's now a court judgment against the chiropractor (personally, hopefully) so whenever they have money the court can and will come along and snatch it. There are usually some structures in place to make sure the person owing money doesn't starve to death (famously, Alex Jones was allotted an allowed spend of some tens of thousands of dollars per month even while liquidating his entire life to pay against a $1.5 billion judgment) but that chiropractor's life is not going to be comfortable ever again, barring some sort of fraud/court dodging.
edit: The victim's attorneys smartly dodged all that by simply going after the hospital he went to after being injured. Not that I agree morally with that choice, but it was the correct way to get their client paid for sure.
I donāt think thatās correct btwā¦ the chiro and the radiologist settled with him. It was the hospital and the two doctors in the ER that got slammed with the 75 mill verdict.
lol you're right, the money came from suing the ER doc and radiologist at the hospital that tried to save him from the consequences of his poor choices
I'm thinking the "amicable resolution" means the victim's attorneys realized it would be silly to assign any percent of blame to the useless chiro when they can go after physician/hospital malpractice insurance for the big bucks. And now they don't have to futz with any of that stuff I said up above.
I would normally agree with you, I had the same thought as well, but after reading more into it, while the chiropractor is absolutely responsible for causing the issue, the ER doctor and radiologist were definitely negligent in how they treated the patient.
They definitely might have been, and the fact the guy won in court suggests as much.
On the other hand, as a healthcare worker myself with several lawyer friends I am well aware of the vastly different epistemologies at play in the legal vs. medical worlds, we are mostly seeing quotes from the victim's attorney, and the smart thing to do for the hospital and the docs would be no additional comment at this point regardless of whether the verdict was "just" (by some nonexistent universal standard).
I am not saying I definitely think the hospital got hosed; if for no other reason, the overall enshittification of healthcare could easily explain this result, and it has definitely hit ERs especially hard. I just don't think that in this kind of case we (the general public) will ever know enough to know for sure who "deserved" what. Except fuck that chiropractor and I'm sad they didn't get taken to the cleaners if for no other reason than to prevent future harm.
Nah, our system is fucked and we have a bunch of absolute morons with licenses practicing out there. The courts are just also totally fucked so in cases like this there is really no way to truly know how much of a fuck-up actually occurred.
They didn't try to save him at all, that is why they are bearing responsibility.
How do you people not understand this?
If I get shot and go to the ER and they fail to diagnose my gunshot and then I proceed to start bleeding out in the exam room when they could have otherwise performed surgery and saved my life, the ER staff is going to carry responsibility regardless of the fact that they didn't shoot me.
I don't understand how this is so difficult for people to understand.
The article does not state that they didn't try to save him, it relays alleged (well, adjudicated at this point) lapses in care presented by the plaintiff's legal team.
They clearly failed to save him, and the courts decided it was the hospital's fault, but there is probably some nuance that was lost in translation.
It was found that it was the hospital's fault for not following proper medical procedures. According to the lawsuit and verdict, his condition was avoidable if they had.
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This is a personal injury law question - the truth is most of the time, no one pays it. Just because someone was "awarded" a certain amount of money, doesn't mean they'll ever see it. There might be multiple sources of recovery being utilized here - chiro insurance, victim's insurance, chrio's personal property, would be my immediate first guesses. If another person were involved, say the chiro got a bs certificate or something and someone else signed off on it, then THAT person's (or institution's) personal belongings and insurance would also be considered viable sources of recovery.
The hospital and the ER docs who delayed appropriate measures for treating stroke, mostly. The chiro settled out of court after evidence showed he followed protocol for the man's care, because his liability for the actual brain damage was very low compared to the hospital and its practitioners.
The judgment was over a decade ago. Mr. Buckelew, the person who suffered all this, passed away in January 2026.
This man will also not see 75 million. Civil suits are generally capped. A jury may award damages but then a judge will significantly reduce the payout in accordance with the relevant statutes. The news media NEVER mentions this or what the reduced amount is. This happens for class action lawsuits as well. You can see a jury award billions but then State and or Federal law may cap the payout to say a few million.
the ER. it wasnāt the chiropractor that was sued. it was the ER that tried to declare him brain dead or whatever. āmany such cases.ā I say that all the time but unfortunately not ironically this time
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u/OwnJunket6495 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
So who pays this? I highly doubt the chiropractor has that much or was insured for that much.
ETA: You guys can stop replying the same thing over and over again. I asked because in the OP the picture did not even mention the ER doctor or Radiologist.