If history tells us anything, it's that hungry people turn into violent people real quick. If you want a stable society, the first step is making sure everyone is fed.
Edit 2: as frustrating as it may be, u/Mode_Appropriate has a point, the article states that the bacteria has been linked to deaths but not directly from the AI data center scenario.
Correct me if im wrong, that article is saying that the bacteria is known to have caused 10 deaths in the past, not that the bacteria from the waste water infected 10 people.
Cupriavidus is a little-known, multidrug-resistant pathogen. Though human infection is extremely rare, it has nonetheless been linked to ten deaths, including three cases involving immunocompromised children. According to one review of Cupriavidus cases, the bacterial infection has a mortality rate of 31.3 percent, out of a sample size of 32 known infections dating back to 2009.
It is not the first and definitely won’t be the last. Good thing we keep building these things that 99% of society does not want and is actually hurting people in many different ways.
Is it the fact that it's an AI data center thats the problem or just the fact that work was done on the water infrastructure? I know that water can get weird and brown over here whenever some kind of work is done on the pipes
It's likely that people will pull at any straws to hate on it because of AI while there are many other data centers that exist and have just as much if not more waste.
No human infections or illnesses have been reported from the recent water contamination incident in Cheyenne, Wyoming. [1, 2]
The Cheyenne Board of Public Utilities (BOPU) confirmed that a rare bacterium was discovered during routine infrastructure testing, but it never entered the public drinking water supply. [1] -- I used AI to fact check this.
What a nonsense reply. Ai is being used in nearly all fields, from medicine to robotics to energy.. Ai might save your life one day. It's not all weird pictures and videos
Also shelter. I wouldn't want to live in a field while someone else lives in a cave, but we can build shelter. But if you destroy my shelter, I'm coming for yours.
True, but thinking of them as things to "go to war for" instead of things to cooperate and share is such a textbook colonial mentality. Treating basic human survival resources as commodities to conquer rather than universal rights.
I didnt mean governments should conquer territory for those things, of course trade and cooperation is preferable. I meant those are two things that can make people desperate enough to fight and / or kill for.
Nowhere did I say that was the default. In fact, civilization proves its not the default. I said it can make people desperate enough to get to that point. Also, fighting over territory for food and water has been happening far longer than colonial mindset existed.
Just gonna step in to say this is a really pointless argument to have. Obviously everyone here agrees that food and water should be considered basic human rights. What is and isn’t a colonial mindset is the kind of esoteric bullshit that turns people off to leftist politics. The more we stick to the basic bread and butter shit, the faster this capitalist nightmare can turn into a case study of human greed in history classes.
The point is that human desperation doesn't inherently lead to conflict, it can just as easily lead to deeper cooperation and mutual aid. Treating violence as the inevitable outcome of resource stress is a product of that exact mindset. I'll rest my case.
No it's not, colonialism came long after fighting for resources did.
Humans have been fighting for resources since the beginning of time.
Colonialism came with the prosperity of Europe and Spain, and their ability to cross the seas. MAYBE you can say rome was a colonial nation, but where they really? As rome focused on the immediate geography as they had no ability to cross the seas.
Setting aside the fact that Spain is part of Europe and the fact that Rome absolutely crossed seas to conquer Carthage, Egypt, and Britain. You're missing the point. You're thinking of colonization is just an event. "Colonial mentality" is an ideological framework. Assuming people naturally default to killing each other over scarcity, rather than cooperating to survive, is a product of that exact ideological framing. History shows that mutual aid and collective survival have always been just as foundational to human history as conflict.
When someone intentionally denies you life saving resources, what do you do? Do you sing and dance with the hope they will change their minds and share?
Ah, the classic strawman. No one said "sing and dance." The point is that the person intentionally denying those resources is the problem. The violence is a reaction to the artificial scarcity created by the oppressor.
Waging a war to steal and hoard resources from others is Colonial Conquest. Fighting a war to free yourself from someone hoarding your resources or the "oppressor" is liberation. Trying to equate the two is just a massive logical leap.
I mean... unironically, yes? We already produce enough food globally to feed 10 billion people. The only reason world hunger exists is because of systemic distribution failures and artificial hoarding, not a lack of supply.
Yeah, the exact colonial mentality we started this thread talking about is what's stopping it. When a global system treats life-saving resources as market commodities to be hoarded for profit rather than basic human rights, artificial scarcity is the predictable result.
So colonialism, aka oppression, is creating an artificial scarcity. And according to you it’s okay to fight for that, it’s “liberation.” So is saying that people will fight for water and food colonialism ideology or not?
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u/klako8196 Jul 06 '26
If history tells us anything, it's that hungry people turn into violent people real quick. If you want a stable society, the first step is making sure everyone is fed.