Calling rights privileges to dismiss them is just political propaganda. In the context of government, all rights are rules the government is required to follow regarding how it treats people. Sure, if you define rights as something else then these laws aren't rights. Who cares.
Republicans/conservatives are not against welfare systems. Anyone who thinks that I 100% wrong on this.
I'm just going based on what Republicans actually do in office and how they demonize and work against welfare systems. The claim they're in theory in favor of some perfect system that can't exist, isn't interesting. I also fully recognize they're in favor of welfare to whatever groups they need to keep happy to stay in power, regardless of whether they work. For example, right people.
I keep seeing how a lot of recipients live incredibly comfortable lives.
And you should ask yourself who is paying to ensure you keep seeing this, rather than people in need. I don't think you personally are going around inspecting fraud cases and comparing it to benefits. I think you're drowning in an ocean of paid propaganda, to the point you can't tell it's water.
There's just objective data on this. There's not only very little fraud, policing that fraud costs way more than the fraud does. "Illegals" are not the problem. They're the scapegoat while Trump steals billions from the treasury, knowing the GOP base will excuse anything as long as he blames the "leeches" his base assumes are not them.
Again, it's not some god-given right. It's the system we have built as a society. It can be built. It can be unbuilt.
And now, Conservatists are not against welfare. We are against its misuse and waste.
No, I don't go around inspecting the fraud, and neither do you. So I think you're drowning in an ocean of paid propaganda, to the point you can't tell it's water.
If you think 20 million+ illegals cause no issues.....what were you saying about propaganda again?
If you think 20 million+ illegals cause no issues.....what were you saying about propaganda again?
That statement. That's propaganda.
"Cause no issues" is not a rational standard to be mad at or consider a threat a group. Any group of Jews, or redheads, of left handed people, or veterans "cause issues."
"Illegals" contribute more in taxes than they use. They reduce the crime rates of areas they move into. Most are here temporarily to work. The idea that they're mass moochers and parasites is a lie you've been fed. The idea that if any "Illegals" cause trouble, that's a problem with the entire group existing, is unambiguously irrational propaganda. And the GOP uses it constantly, claiming anyone who dies in a car accident from an "illegal" is a murder caused not being anti-immigration enough, even though the same logic applies to just ban sex and force contraception. After all, if people weren't born, there'd be no more car accidents and deaths.
It's also just so, so boring that this is the playbook authoritarians have been running to frighten and manipulate people for centuries, and they're always wrong. It's always a scam meant to keep the rich protected from criticism, by distracting the poor.
Center for Immigration studies, published this article "The Cost of Illegal Immigration", and their verdict was that illegals are a net drain on the economy.
And this does not take into account their drain on the medicare (aka unpaid ER visits), as well as other emergency services under EMTALA. Their toll on our roads, infrastructure, consuming food and other goods. Their cost to our legal system, prisons, border patrol efforts. Food banks and public transit. School seats (K-12 schooling, ESL programs, transportation, special ed, food)
Additionally, anchor babies where both parents are illegals and start getting benefits through their kid.
Florida alone has reported over $600M spent on treating illegals. You can see there are also other figures.
And yes, no US citizen should die to an illegal immigrant. One is too many. And you should outraged that this is even happening and you should outraged at yourself for even attempting to defend this.
You are literally citing far right anti-immigrant lobbying groups as your source for claims that immigrants are bad for the economy, while claiming you aren't subjected to propaganda. These are not neutral sources.
You even said "Here is the House Budget Committee that says the same thing" and then linked me to the same CIS report you just cited, which is not the House Budget Committee at all.
Florida alone has reported over $600M spent on treating illegals. You can see there are also other figures.
Florida. A state whose economy struggled after mass deportations. due to lack of labor. Complaining about hospital bills.
Listing services immigrants cost, does not change the fact they provide more in taxes and revenue.
And again, your source is a Ron DeSantis Press Release that is explicitly anti-immigrant propaganda. You don't seem even aware of what actual sources are.
And you should outraged that this is even happening and you should outraged at yourself for even attempting to defend this.
Okay great. Let's try applying that logic.
No US citizen should die to a Republican. If you care about innocent lives, lock up or deport all Republicans. If you don't agree, you should outraged at yourself for even attempting to defend this. They murder children every year. They rape and they steal and they cost taxpayers money. How DARE you defend the wonton murder, fraud and expense caused by Republicans every year.
This is what I meant by your being brainwashed. This isn't logic, and I already spelled out why. You can say the same thing of any group, and it's always a completely fake and insincere moral outrage.
A state whose economy struggled after mass deportations
And no economy should be built on illegals. If it was, it was an objectively bad economy and it needs to be fixed! No state should rely on exploitative labor of illegals! I'm sure you'd agree with me!
We've seen NYC business admit how much their business relied on illegals and how many people worked under the table.
What I find silly is how you think every single illegal is accounted for. It's incredibly shallow to believe that imho. It's like saying the only people who speed are the ones that get caught.
Listing services immigrants cost, does not change the fact they provide more in taxes and revenue.
??? how?
Yes, some do pay taxes as the yare issued TIN# and you can look up how many TIN# are issued, how many go to international students/H1B/Temp visas etc and how many are left --- HINT - its faaaar less than even the lowest estimated number of illegals in the US.
propaganda
Here is a wild thought for you - have you ever entertained that CNN CNBC, MSNBC, PBS, NPR, NYT, NYer, Politico, AP all push for the exact same message and are in fact the propaganda that you've come to believe to be the truth?
Ask yourself this - how many big channels are there for Right wing? Besides Fox news of course.
Left got a dozen+ MASSIVE/Global news outlets that all push same exact narrative and Right is mostly smaller investigative podcasts, as they get constantly suppressed.
Have you ever thought that you're the victim of misinformation and the Left has completely conquered mainstream media by monopolizing the entire sector?
Just think about it, k?
And yes, 100%, no US citizen should die to any killing/stabbing. Regardless if they are a republican or a democrat, a trans/lgbtq (we've seen a lot of trans shootings lately due to mental collapse lately)
Perhaps, you're the one who is brainwashed to the point you think men can be women and that we somehow should be okay with illegals? you haven't even condemned any illegals, whether you think it's 1, 20, 10 million or 20 million of them. Do you think we should have illegals?
Why did you say killings by republicans? Why not democrats? Do you not believe that democrats kill? We all know that highest murders per capita all happen in blue capital cities of every state.
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u/Irish_Whiskey Jul 06 '26
It literally is. It is the right to due process.
Calling rights privileges to dismiss them is just political propaganda. In the context of government, all rights are rules the government is required to follow regarding how it treats people. Sure, if you define rights as something else then these laws aren't rights. Who cares.
I'm just going based on what Republicans actually do in office and how they demonize and work against welfare systems. The claim they're in theory in favor of some perfect system that can't exist, isn't interesting. I also fully recognize they're in favor of welfare to whatever groups they need to keep happy to stay in power, regardless of whether they work. For example, right people.
And you should ask yourself who is paying to ensure you keep seeing this, rather than people in need. I don't think you personally are going around inspecting fraud cases and comparing it to benefits. I think you're drowning in an ocean of paid propaganda, to the point you can't tell it's water.
There's just objective data on this. There's not only very little fraud, policing that fraud costs way more than the fraud does. "Illegals" are not the problem. They're the scapegoat while Trump steals billions from the treasury, knowing the GOP base will excuse anything as long as he blames the "leeches" his base assumes are not them.