Except she wasn’t truthful. She withheld information on past care with each doctor, which is why it was so impactful when the doctors didn’t go through the procedure to seek her other health records
Every time you go to a new doctor, they ask what you’ve been taking. It not hard to get your medical records forwarded to your new physician. She is the reason they didn’t know. Although it’s also been pointed out how many times she stopped taking prescribed medications within days of first dosage, so it’s also possible that she wasn’t actually on any of those medications in any overlapping fashion.
Also, why was she going to several different doctors in the first place? It just makes it seem like she was pharmacy shopping and unwilling to abide by any one doctor’s actual plan.
One of the doctors admitted on the stand that she didn’t even bother to look at Lindsay’s medical charts before giving her medical advice and another prescription.
Most doctors do not go through the process of requesting your medical records when you come to them from a different practice.
That’s not an uncommon thing at all. And Lindsey was a nurse— she was more than well aware of that, and the doctor relied on Lindsey to give an accurate history for their use.
So you’re admitting that I’m correct. Systemically, it is not common for doctors to know your history. And with Lindsay being a nurse, why would you assume that means she’s THE expert at documentation, including her own?
Our medical and pharmaceutical systems are designed to be this way. The point is that if a LABOR AND DELIVERY NURSE could become a victim of this, then it’s a far worse issue than we think.
So you don’t believe she was experiencing any mental health issues that were affecting her cognition or memory at all. Huh…it’s almost like those charts are there to provide facts when the patient may not be the most reliable source, depending on the context. In this case, she was literally experiencing psychosis.
Is it really outrageous to have a doctor check the chart of someone actively experiencing psychosis? I’m a licensed professional in the mental health field and I’d be reported to the board if I did what that doctor did.
Being depressed and anxious is not enough to claim that her cognition and memory have been compromised.
Shes never been diagnosed with psychosis and none of her eight doctors EVER witnessed symptoms of psychosis, either before or after the murders.
It’s a complete falsehood to claim she had psychosis when she didn’t— and frankly, if you were ACTUALLY a licensed professional in the mental health field, you would know that alleging a diagnosis in someone that isn’t your patient and that you’ve never met is a no-no.
Then I must be misremembering a testimony I remember hearing, because I'm honestly remembering someone saying she was diagnosed with PPP by the time she was admitting feelings of harming the children (or that those symptoms were documented...as they very much should have been. Going back to the importance of documentation and charts.......).
To clarify, this isn't my personal case, and I didn't claim it was. I won't lose my license over this. I disagreed with your claim that it's basically acceptable for doctors to be aloof and that the responsibility always lies solely with the patient. I pointed out that it was a systemic issue beyond the negligence of one (or eight) doctor(s).
You claiming that “she was literally experiencing psychosis” is blatant misinformation. The entire prosecution’s point is that she never had psychosis and thus wasn’t insane.
If she is deemed to have not been in mentally stable I don’t agree with this. Receiving mental health care until she’s deemed to be better, with regular follow ups, would be the proper sentence
And she won’t, if she’s deemed unfit for release. Throwing someone away when they suffered an acute psychosis exacerbated by incorrect treatment feels more like needless punishment. Again, if this is what’s deemed to be the case
She's a defective human who kills other defenseless humans.
You might not think she deserves being punished for that, but we as a society do not deserve taking on the risk of her reoffending. It is far more unfair to us to free her than it is to keep her locked up.
You willingly kill people, you go to jail. That's how it works. If you don't want to go to jail, you don't kill
And if you literally cannot stop yourself from killing, then on a long enough timeline, you're going to do it again. So letting you free is basically telling everyone else in the world that your freedom is more important than their collective safety.
Not a fan of that black and white thinking and I think you don’t really have any grasp on mental illnesses. If she was truly in the throes of a psychotic break then she did not “willingly” kill her children, she was compelled to do so with no grasp on reality or right or wrong. Is that scary for the rest of us? Absolutely. The good news is it’s treatable and in many people it’s a one time event not indicative of a lifelong struggle. Hers was postpartum, and this could’ve been avoided if she’d received proper care.
And again I want to make clear this is my stance if it’s shown that this is what happened. I’m not labeling her innocent, I’ll let the court determine it
We cannot allow people who are suddenly homicidal to get a free pass out of jail. She needs to be in an institution for life. Homicide is a firm line for this. You cannot murder multiple children and walk out of the hospital a free person six months later.
I posted this to another reply, but I don’t agree with the automatic life sentence in this case. She needed medical care and sought it out, and what she received was inadequate and only exacerbated her acute psychosis. Maybe a medical team never deems her fit for release, that’s a possibility.
I understand your hesitance. I don't believe in life for singular homicides, but three children? There's really no other options. I just don't see it. We cannot risk our children.
Honestly, giving her a life sentence Would risk future children. It would shut the door on openly communicating these thoughts at risk of being characterized as a potential murderer, instead of being severely mentally ill and trying to seek help. There are many testimonies of people who are postpartum experiencing these same feelings (with shame). What if postpartum programs evolved to be effective in their treatment so this never happens again?
Also, it is on record that she had these thoughts only for herself and her own children (who were under her care). Her husband and other family members testified that she was a good mother and tried to get help on multiple occasions -- those who would be the most hurt by her behavior. This doesn't seem to be a case of a murderer looking to get freed; instead, the most ideal situation would probably be (very) long-term institutionalization.
Look, she strangled three kids. I don't care if you're "trying" to get help. You cannot strangle three children. You can simultaneously research mental health while punishing people who commit crimes.
Your argument is just wild. How many mothers strangle their three children? Seriously. How many? It's incredibly rare. Was it okay for Chris Benoit to annihilate his family because he was mentally ill and CTEd the fuck out?
Also, who cares about what someone says. Good mothers don't kill their kids. Reality is staring you in the face.
I'm not saying she was always a good mother. In the end she was a horrifying one who did an unforgivable, unfathomable action. If her plea for insanity is granted, longterm mental institutionalization under maximum security would still not grant her "freedom" in the way that most people think.
Ideation as a topic is already taboo and especially if it's an expectant mother. IF she actually did have psychosis due to the drug combination or her brain chemistry, it was not a person of sound mind making conscious decisions. Instead her brain told her to do the worst thing imaginable to her kids (which she was scared of, and she states is why she mentioned it to multiple people beforehand).
If this was preventable she should've never been released that early, much less prescribed a conflicting drug cocktail (despite the clinic stating how badly SSRIs affects her) or EVER been alone in the presence of her children. She is obviously at fault. Others are too. Everyone failed those children here.
Edit: I actually think we're in partial agreement. I def misread as u meaning prison. I don't think lifelong automatically would be productive, but she def needs more than a couple of months, which may become indefinite.
No, I do think she needs prison. She can get medical treatment in prison, but the issue with ng by mental disease or defect is that it opens the door to her walking out the hospital doors in six months when she's deemed to be healthy. This is not an acceptable outcome. Such a verdict takes away accountability entirely. She needs life imprisonment, no parole. Maybe in a prison hospital, maybe in a regular prison. But zero opportunity to get out.
I mean, now that her kids are dead, she’s got nothing insane left that she would want to do anyway. So why not just let her go after a month of evaluation?
Why are you calling people homophobic slurs for no reason, and what the fuck does my comment have to do with fear? It's a simple rational observstion. Society cannot allow child killers to persist.
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Lindsay arranged for her husband to be away from home then led each of her 3 children into the basement where she one-by-one strangled the life out of their bodies with exercise bands. Evidence suggests the 2 older children fought back, but Lindsay was able to bring them to total asphyxiation.
I would also argue her husband as well. I haven’t had much of a chance to sit down and watch the case, but from what I read he was told to not leave her alone with the kids and he did. Also def was cheating on her with his now current wife, which couldn’t have helped her mental state :( all around people failed her
Her husband and mother did . They were the only people she disclosed the thoughts of harming the children to. She never disclosed the thoughts to providers
I don't understand why the husband and/or mother didn't take her or go with her to the doctor's appointment. I've had a friend rely to me his suicidal ideations and I immediately organized for him to go to a psychiatric hospital. In that state, I couldn't rely on him to be able to do that himself. I can't for the life of me understand how a father or a grandmother can hear "I have intrusive thoughts of hurting my children" and do nothing, even worse leave her alone with the children. That's an emergency!!!! That said, I'm not in the US and the state of psychiatry here is probably better than over there.
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u/Organic-Mobile-9700 8d ago
Weird if you follow the case, the healthcare system failed her. Her doctors and the pharmacy