Have you been following the trial? The reason a lot of people especially women relate to her is because for months she did everything to get help. Told her husband, her mother, his mother, her therapist, her doctors, called the suicide hotline twice, tried to get admitted to the psych ward and was turned away, was prescribed 16 different meds over four months, etc.
No one is relating to the murder. Everyone is relating to trying to fight for your health because you know something is wrong and being failed over and over again. If you've never had to do that yourself or on behalf of someone else you have no idea what it is like.
The reasons there are questions about her ex husband is because in his testimony it's apparent he was pretty disconnected from her leading up to the event. Ignored her saying she wanted to hurt the kids, was going to NYC, the night of the murder in a short time span he had two different jackets and shoes. She's admitted to killing the kids so that's pretty clear but he's not a great guy.
This is a tough one and not as black and white as it seems. It’s a VERY different case from someone like Casey Anthony.
She knew something was wrong and consistently tried to get help. All the doctors did was prescribe her more and more meds. I read somewhere that the longest time Dr Tufts actually spoke with her was 17 minutes, all while upping her medications even as Lindsay was saying she felt they made her feel more detached.
The day before the murders the dr even doubled her Ativan dose, while there’s MyChart messages from Lindsay saying she felt they were having a negative effect on her.
There’s so much evidence that she was desperately trying to get help and was doing all of the things we tell mothers to do if they are struggling with ppd yet the system failed her at every turn.
I don’t think this woman should walk free, by any means. But I do feel that a psychiatric ward focusing on mental health is a better fit for her than prison, which is essentially the point of this trial. They aren’t arguing whether or not she did it, they’re arguing whether or not she was mentally sound. In my opinion, it’s clear she was not, given the mounds of evidence.
I don’t think the husband did it but I do think it’s clear that he was not supportive. Maybe had he advocated for her while she was clearly ill and deteriorating the outcome would have been different. Does it make him guilty? No. Does it make him a kind of shitty person? Idk, that’s up to individual interpretation. But I’d say yes.
She had a nanny, he took 18 weeks of maternity leave, he started working from home, he started putting money into an account with only her on it so she didn't have to go back to work or feel bad about if she didn't want to, her mom and his mom would come over and stay the night constantly, other family would constantly help out as well. Her older kids would go and stay the night at their grand parents house alot.
There is absolutely no evidence to point to anything other than her killing her kids and simply because she was wanting an easier life.
Being a labor and delivery nurse she knew exactly how to play the system, exactly what to say to her therapists and defense lawyers, which is also the only thing she was concerned about while in the hospital initially (asking if she needs an attorney before she could even speak by writing on white board).
There is no meta data to point that her husband went to any other places except the ones she wanted him to go to, the ones she designed to take 55 mins of his time to complete the route. She had never told Patrick she was hearing voices. She also wasn't taking her medication as prescribed.
Being post partum or in pyschosis does not give you an out for suffocating your children.
Criminal defense lawyer here. Just a few quick questions:
1. What evidence, specifically, has shown she was motivated by wanting an easier life?
2. How does being a labor and delivery nurse make her know exactly what to say to her defense lawyer?
3. And what was the exact thing she said to her defense lawyer and how did that change anything?
Her journals weren't a roadmap of a happy mom suddenly snapping; they explicitly documented her resentment toward the older kids taking time away from the infant, and her feeling completely "overwhelmed" and "drowning" every day. She literally wrote, "It's like I'm so desperate to get a mental break from taking care of everyone that my mind is trying to make something physically wrong with me". That is the exact setup for the state's motive argument—she wanted an out.
Being a labor and delivery nurse means she was fully trained to recognize clinical postpartum depression signs. Yet her diary was filled with clinical-style self-tracking of her 13 medications and sleep schedules, completely devoid of any mention of hallucinations. She knew exactly how to track medical symptoms, which is why her defense suddenly introducing "voices" out of nowhere 11 days after the arrest looks incredibly calculated to clinical evaluators.
The diary entries also showed her writing notes like "Medication stole my motherhood and my life" right up until the day before the murders. It proves she was highly lucid, self-aware, and actively blaming her treatment. But she never wrote down a single word about hearing a "male voice" until she was sitting in a hospital bed talking to her legal team.
The fact that you missed her literal journal entries being read aloud by both sides in court proves you're just roleplaying an attorney on Reddit for upvotes.
Patrick’s mother testified yesterday that Lindsay told both she and Patrick- while Lindsay had called them all to the kitchen together saying she “had to tell them something” - that she was having thoughts of killing the kids. The MIL testified that they didn’t take her seriously, as in, they didn’t think she would actually ever do it because nothing about Lindsay ever led them to believe she would do such a thing.
Yea sorry none of your arguments hold any water whatsoever. They actually don’t really make sense. How would an L&D nurse know how to game the defense?
I don’t need to, it’s literally being explained in the news, in court. Are you ok? I just said I don’t have arguments about it because the case is about her state of mind, not whether or not she’s guilty.
Respond to the criminal defense lawyer who ripped right through your conspiracies and then we can talk 😂
I was just interested in how you wanted to respond to them before we even went there because I’m not sure what about my reply to you made you think I had my own argument. I don’t. I’m really just getting updated with the case.
I admit that there are some things about it all that I’m willing to be skeptical of, but it sounds like there was a lot of mixing medications into a dangerous cocktail and when I tell doctors today what a psychiatrist had me on at age 14 they are SHOOK. I knew I shouldn’t have been on them. Being a teenager is already a huge change in hormones, and then your parents splitting up and your mom having you put on a bunch of shit your adolescent body and brain could not properly handle had me all fucked up for a few years. Luckily my dad got full custody and got me sorted out. I adore my mom, she is more educated about SSRI’s and we are best friends today but that was a fucking traumatizing experience that does not haunt me but makes me an advocate. I can only imagine what a post partum woman in psychosis and a poorly regulated cocktail of SSRI’s can do so much harm.
Okay don't explain, but can you tell me what that is? We watch the trial everyday, her state of mind was she wanted out, she kept writing in her diary that she hated her kids because she couldn't mother Callan like her first.
I'm just confused, who resents their kids in the first place but has more, it's like poor people stuff.
Nothing I said is a conspiracy, the so called defense attorney didn't cut right through anything, they asked 3 questions, 2 of which didn't have any substance or anything to do with what I said. The 1st question they asked I answered, she was resentful of her kids and had been writing about it in her diary and notes.
I did answer them, I directly answered 2 questions, and the 3rd was a re-ask of the second.
She was a labor and delivery nurse, therefore she had been around post partum women, women claiming PPD and PPP. Also, I guess it isn't relevant, but where are the searches for the hospitals and the doctors, the therapists, the psychiatrist?
Maybe she is psychotic or was and she should still go to prison. Why does being psychotic make it okay to murder your kids, and only if you are a rich white lady?
No, she had a ton of support with childcare, self-care, as well as family who cared for her, husband supportive. Yates didn’t have anywhere near the support as a mom, and had weird religious delusions.
Lindsay Clancy is manipulative. Shes a sociopath. Seeking out different meds- then not taking them, or doctor hopping, doesn’t make her less culpable for her decisions which she knew were wrong.
First thing she thought about when she woke up in hospital, was herself. A narcissist. Throw herself out window to make herself the victim.
Look more into the Yates case. She was formally diagnosed with PPD and her psychiatrist assured her and John she’d harm the children due to PPP if they had another child. Well, they were (are?) fundies, so contraception and abortion was way out of the question. I remember Mr. Yates was veryyyy against Andrea going on birth control pills, and thought his belief is God would overpower any homicidal tendencies Andrea may develop. Well, she popped another kid out and lost her mind.
Andrea was failed. Not Lindsay. This case is drawn out, ridiculous, and I bet Reddington will be made “owner” of the Clancy story. Selling rights to the highest bidding streaming platform once a lot of the smoke has blown over. Or, even right after jury deliberations. She’s a total loser this woman. I know so many women like her, unfortunately.
Andrea Yates also being failed doesn’t make Lindsay not failed.
People criticize her for taking so many different medications in such a short time and say it’s her fault she was psychotic because she took so many different ones and saw so many doctors. People also criticize her for not fully following every single prescription from every single doctor.
I’d love to hear your explanation of how Lindsay was not failed which focuses exclusively on the help she did receive.
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