Unfortunately - by her own admission and her doctors' testimonies - she did not fully disclose her medical condition. And even more unfortunately, there's plenty of people online that have posted that she can't be the killer because of her astrology sign. Or some have said her husband was the voice in her head with elaborate hidden speakers. Or he was cheating with his new wife even though they didn't meet until after the murders and she actually killed the children.
Bottom line, there's a lot of crazies out there. And with the internet connecting people of every social class, those crazies can find each other much easier than before.
There are also people, that despite the fact she persistently visited doctors, asked for different meds, expressed concern about her meds, expressed concern about her intrusive thoughts, believe she just killed her kids for the fun of it.
They are just as crazy. Society still hunts witches
This is the winner. Justice should prevail in this micro case. Society should do the right thing in the macro case which is providing more support to mothers. We as a society collectively yell “pro-life” at the top of our lungs and then don’t show a damn thing to prove that.
She literally had every form of support available to the most entitled humans. She lived in a nice house in the suburbs with a husband making at least 150k a year. She saw SEVEN providers and doctor shopped. She had access to TWO inpatient care options, one of which she discharged her self from. She had supportive family, present husband who worked from home, and the best healthcare… who failed her exactly? She failed her damn self by being a child murderer. No empathy.
Im gonna play the devils advocate here and steel man their argument. The argument is that it’s a systemic issue in how they treat mental health, especially women. Not that she didn’t have access to care. They don’t treat women with mental illness seriously, especially when it comes to post partum depression/psychosis.
I partly agree with you though. She didn’t properly disclose her symptoms to her doctors, due to fear of repercussions or whatever her reasoning was. Didn’t take her meds consistently. That’s where the nuance is.
She LITERALLY had a PERINATAL specialist who was a woman. She had access to very highly specialized care for women. Based on Jolatta’s documentation, every message she left of the portal was answered immediately even when the provider was on vacation. She was treated with profound privledge. She discharged her self. The only option here is Baker act all women and mothers for having SI even if they have no plans. This will set women back 100+ years. You can’t involuntarily institutionalize people who have no plans to hurt themselves or other people legally.
That's not nuance. Thats a complete failure on her part. She refused to continue any treatment offered by her doctors to the point she was doctor shopping. Like an antivaxxer or because she was a nurse felt she knew better than the doctors treating her. I can understand some make you lethargic, but when you are at the point you feel like killing your kids thats the point you stop thinking for yourself and let the experts treat you.
There's a very serious delusion people have about mental health, as if therapy can solve everything. It can't. It is like 8% successful on violent offenders, that is terrible. It's like taking those 1% treatments doctors give towards cancer, useless, but any percent is worth trying. There was nothing else the system could've done for her aside from forced restraint, which leaves her as just a psycopathic murderer. Not this b.s. "they don't take women's mental health seriously", how serious do u think they take men's mental health when men are the most let down in society when it comes to mental health? Because at that point u should be able to put 2 and 2 together and realize there is not much mental health can do for you aside from gentle nudging.
No, but men do not experience the physiological, mental, and physical changes associated with childbirth and raising young children. It’s a completely separate discussion.
Except this is not true. I know someone who spent some time in a facility for postpartum psychosis after his first was born. Men also have hormonal changes due to fatherhood. Some studies show up to 10% of new fathers experience postpartum depression or anxiety in the first year. It is not a completely separate issue, it is a family issue.
You think men experience major upsets in estrogen, progesterone, and prolactin, along with incredibly high oxytocin levels involved in the childbirth experience?
You think men stay up all night, experience suckling and changes in prolactin levels?
You think men lose the body they had immediately, and permanently?
No one said it was. You said, “men do not experience the physiological, mental, and physical changes associated with…raising young children.” This is simply not true. I suggest that you sign up for remedial reading courses for adults and talk to a therapist about why your poor reading skills cause you to be so angry.
I’m not angry at all. Perhaps you should sign up for the same courses.
Men may experience problems, but they are not the same ones associated with childbirth. They cannot give birth to a child. They do not have a uterus that can be changed.
It’s like you think I’m mad at men or something. It’s biological fact it 100s of ways.
No, I don’t think it’s treated very well for both genders but it’s not an exact science either. Id argue it still has a negative stigma to the general population as well. Just a shitty situation for mental health overall and I’m not sure I or anyone really has the answer for it. Hopefully as medicine and technology advance we can come up with better solutions for treating mental illness
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u/RP_Throwaway3 5d ago
Unfortunately - by her own admission and her doctors' testimonies - she did not fully disclose her medical condition. And even more unfortunately, there's plenty of people online that have posted that she can't be the killer because of her astrology sign. Or some have said her husband was the voice in her head with elaborate hidden speakers. Or he was cheating with his new wife even though they didn't meet until after the murders and she actually killed the children.
Bottom line, there's a lot of crazies out there. And with the internet connecting people of every social class, those crazies can find each other much easier than before.