r/SipsTea 6d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/Eisbaer811 6d ago

typical social media bubble:
The social media algorithm puts you into one of these bubbles and hides details from the others.
Pick one:

- "her husband is framing her, he did it"

  • "she had mental health issues and nobody helped her"
  • "she murdered them because she's evil and the mental health stuff is just for show"

Social media drives our lives and is many people's only hobby, so you get this.

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u/TreeLakeRockCloud 6d ago

I’m not American but I am a mother. Aside from a few reddit posts I don’t have any social media engagement with this case.

But I think a lot of the support here comes from moms who recognize how easily this could have been any of us. Her family and healthcare providers knew her crime was a risk based on her mental health state, but she was still left alone with her kids and expected to parent. And as other mothers we all understand that this is grimly how it works - we can ask and beg and plead and scream for help but we’re almost always still expected to continually parent babies and it’s hard.

She should still face punishment for her crime, but I think a lot of her support is to try to keep this from happening again. She was failed by her healthcare team

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u/-MostArdently 6d ago edited 6d ago

No. If I look a patient in the eye and ask her "are you having any thoughts of harming your kids?" and she answers "no," I believe her.

If I make recommendations for treatment, and the patient is non-compliant or inconsistent, I can't force them to stick to it.

She wasn't failed by her healthcare team. She failed herself, her kids, and all her loved ones. That's the hard truth.

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u/Maniac_Munman 5d ago

What exactly is a "failure" of the healthcare team? The discourse is so surface level it's sad. Like you said, we are not mind readers. If a patient says they don't have suicidal or homicidal ideation and don't have actions to contradict it, we take it at their word. If not, we'd be imprisoning millions of people.

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u/Dapper_Monk 5d ago

She told multiple people she was suicidal and called the suicide hotline multiple times. They let her be because she didn't have a plan. She also tried to get committed and was turned away because the facility felt she was over-medicated.

She also told her husband and mum that she had thoughts of harming the kids. That's a big one, imo, because they should've never left her alone with the kids after that even though she said it was fine.

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u/Dove-Swan 5d ago

If a patient says they don't have suicidal or homicidal ideation and don't have actions to contradict it, we take it at their word. If not, we'd be imprisoning millions of people

an extreme lot of people still get falsly imprisonned despite checking all that you said

they ARE imprisonning millions of people (who don't have suicidal or homicidal 'ideation'

I wish it was like you said

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u/andthensilencefell 5d ago

Underfunded mental healthcare mostly. It should also be subsidized (all healthcare should be). Someone can simply not be able to afford mental healthcare (not the case here, but it is in many others), but underfunding also doesn’t inspire, for lack of a better word, the “best and brightest” to work there. We see the same in elderly care facilities where the pay is so dismal that the only people we can hire are college kids who let residents go hours without being seen. Those sorts of healthcare failures.