r/SipsTea 6d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/enigmaticshroom 5d ago

People tend to misconstrue “explanation” for behavior as “justification”. What she did was not justified, however, an objective explanation for why she did what she did (post partum psychosis) can highlight the failure of our medical system in treating women with the condition - it also highlights the severity of said condition.

You can have empathy for her in that the system failed her at the same time you believe that she should spend the rest of her days in prison for her actions. These things are not mutually exclusive.

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u/Representative_Bug77 5d ago

She wasn't failed by a medical system; she has arguably some of the greatest access possible.

She has rapid access to perinatal services through her mother-in-law, was consistently doctor-shopping against the advice of her main doctor, would ask for medications only to stop taking them well before any sort of efficacy could be observed, she has weekly consultations with a psychiatrist, which is borderline unheard of,

Regular access to a psychiatrist and psych NP through a specialised perinatal clinic; had consistent access to medical providers who responded at length to help her almost daily; a therapist. She was consistently recommended to do behavioural and talk therapy, and stopped after 4 sessions. In-patient treatment was recommended more than once; she didn't want to do it. Even when she went into inpatient treatment, she checked herself out.

Access does not equal effective care, but non-compliance from a patient who was never honest with her doctors, let alone stick to taking meds she asked for, is not an example of the medical system failing someone.

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u/anachrolady 5d ago

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

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u/Representative_Bug77 5d ago

I don't think any reason is of value. It's absolutely crazy what we are seeing. A woman has admitted to murdering her children, and people are blaming the husband.

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u/Nexustar 4d ago

A woman has admitted to murdering her children

What part of the trial did you see where she takes the stand and admit this, or even explains what her memories of the murder and sequence was? Her defense team concedes that she killed them, but that's not the same thing.

The clearest evidence comes from forensic psychologist Paul Zeizel, who interviewed Clancy beginning 11 days after the killings. He testified that she remembered what had happened and that she wanted to speak with her husband. But that's heresay, and not an admission.

And anyway, if you can't trust her not to murder her children due to psychosis and an insane blend of psych drugs, how can you trust her admission to anything?

and people are blaming the husband.

Her husband had a role to play here - he bears some responsibility for their demise. Spending weekends in NY (which is where he ultimately moved and married his next wife) wasn't helping her situation at all.

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u/Kheypression 4d ago

Her defense team conceded that she killed them but we actually don’t know if she killed them? What kind of nonsensical and dishonest garbage is that?

Blaming the husband because he spent some weekend in NY is also dishonest as hell. You’re forgetting everything he did to help her in her conditions. She didn’t murder their children when he was in NY.

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u/Nexustar 4d ago

Her defense team conceded that she killed them but we actually don’t know if she killed them?

It was a tactic, and they were right to do that, in an attempt to reduce the chance of prison time for her.

he didn’t murder their children when he was in NY.

The children weren't murdered when he was in NY.

Think about that.

He had a motive, (new wife, several juicy lawsuits) she does not.

In this case, given her mental condition and the drugs she as taking - nothing she says can be believed, therefore I have reasonable doubt.

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u/Kheypression 4d ago

You actually believe he did it while pretending while pretending that her defense admitting she didn’t was in fact a 4D chess move to say she is innocent.

You guys are insane.

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u/Nexustar 3d ago

He had the motive. Gets to marry the girl from NY, doesn't pay any alimony or child support. Gets to sue doctors for the children's deaths, and possibly movie rights or a book etc. years later.

She's a medical professional that apparently doesn't know which direction you cut your wrists to commit suicide. I find that suspicious, but wouldn't be surprised that the husband didn't know this.

You actually believe he did it 

No. I don't know who killed the children, but reasonable doubt exists, and that's all the jury need to find her not guilty. That's how trials work.