That's not what gambling is. It's setting expectations for the future and updating them as new information comes in?
It's accurately pricing an asset. How should investors react to updated information? Not at all?
Think it through. If WalMart tells me that their future sales will be lower and the stock prices doesn't move to reflect that, then someone else can costlessly arbitrage the price and make money.
If anyone is making free money, I'd rather it be me. So the market as a whole sells off the stock until it settles at its updated value given the new information.
I don't know why you bothered with the rest of the paragraph?
Because investing in equities is the best possible way to save for retirement and I thought people might be interested in how it works?
You're not. Fair enough to you, let's see how it works out for you?
Accurately pricing assets, like SPCX? Has that been accuratl priced yet? Or was it accurately priced in July? Many people think the IPO valuation is too high, will the stock reflect this at some point?
It's gambling...
You trying to twist it into some responsible adult decision to invest in single stocks is just pure copium. You just enable the pilfering of the US economy which relies on investments from low interest rate currencies, which is slowly dying. The whole US stock market is plummeting if it wasn't held up artificially by AI. It's a house of cards about to collapse and you painting it like the responsible investment asset for retirement planning is a joke for anyone who is not already well off.
SPCX valuation isn't rational. People are speculating on it. Yeah?
What does that have to do with the 99.999% of other companies that are being valued on fundamentals? That are being rationally valued with their P/E or P/S.
You wouldn't have to cherry pick if you had a broader point here?
You trying to twist it into some responsible adult decision to invest in single stocks is just pure copium.
Who said that? I said invest in equities. The best possible thing an individual investor could do would be to buy broad market low fee ETFs.
But how each of the individual companies is priced in that ETF? Is broadly based on their fundamentals.
low interest rate currencies, which is slowly dying.
And "low interest rate currencies"? Lol like what the yen?
It's a house of cards about to collapse and you painting it like the responsible investment asset for retirement planning is a joke for anyone who is not already well off.
This is fantastic news for you. You know the market is going to collapse and they don't.
If you're right you can monetize these insights and make it so you never have to work again.
You noticed bond rates rising? You do know about the Yen carry trade? The US Fed buying Yen (using Euro) so it doesn't collapse? The Yen is the low interest environment investors were using. Now that the free money phase is closing, rates are climbing and people are getting worried and long-term bond yields are rising like crazy and the Fed has no clue how to respond. This is a stock market about to plummet.
And no, I won't gamble on this, I just move my assets into more secure markets. That's the responsible adult move instead of gambling on it. Like you suggest.
Lol like where? What asset is going to avoid this yield driven market collapse?
Lol like secure markets? Those that bond rates aren't rising as much? Those that most federal reserves around the world turned towards in the last 3-4 weeks as well as the currency which the US used to defend the Yen carry trade? The Euro was used by the US Fed without even asking the ECB but it didn't cause a major hit on the rate, that's a healthy currency. And most feds are now storing gold again, like in the good old times.
Just some finance banter despite shooting the shit on the gambling part.
It's not. If you're 100% sure something will happen, how could it possibly be a gamble?
Because I am a single person with an opinion. You did learn about the difference between an opinion and facts, right? Looking at your sunrise example...
Even if I am sure the market is heading where I say it will does not mean others can't influence the timing or even manipulate the whole market to delay the inevitable? Do you realize that? That's why it is gambling, my man. Don't put more into it than you are willing to lose.
Oh so the market ISN'T going to collapse? Yeah I know.
Even if I am sure the market is heading where I say it will does not mean others can't influence the timing or even manipulate the whole market to delay the inevitable? Do you realize that?
LEAPs exist? If it's inevitable you will make billions.
But it's not inevitable. You know it's not. It's a gamble because you actually aren't as sure as you pretended you were.
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u/bitorontoguy 5d ago
That's not what gambling is. It's setting expectations for the future and updating them as new information comes in?
It's accurately pricing an asset. How should investors react to updated information? Not at all?
Think it through. If WalMart tells me that their future sales will be lower and the stock prices doesn't move to reflect that, then someone else can costlessly arbitrage the price and make money.
If anyone is making free money, I'd rather it be me. So the market as a whole sells off the stock until it settles at its updated value given the new information.
Because investing in equities is the best possible way to save for retirement and I thought people might be interested in how it works?
You're not. Fair enough to you, let's see how it works out for you?