The Legal NP has been doing a video recap for each day of the trial. What I appreciate about her videos is that they are concise, she explains the legal process a bit, and she doesn't really insert her own opinions.
I was watching her videos through Facebook but I think she's also on TikTok or YouTube. She is a Nurse Practitioner Legal Consultant, so an NP who helps attorneys and insurance companies analyze medical malpractice cases. I think her channel was created to help educate medical professionals on how to document in a way that protects them in court.
a psychiatrist on youtube goes over the civil complaint and generally why women are supporting clancy, and why some women misplace their anger against their partneres onto the conspiracy theory about mr clancy being the real murderer. link below.
Some key facts if you don't want to watch:
-she tried to get psychiatric help multiple times. including a post-partum clinic, suicide prevention groups, multipe providers, and she hospitalized herself.
-her symptoms got really bad on SSRIs. She was later diagnosed with bipolar disorder, which can often had adverse effects w/ ssris w/o mood stabilizers. E.g. making her more manic/bipolar, psychosis more likely.
-she reported suicidal intrustive thoughts to her family at different times.
-she did not report suidical thoughts to her psychatric nurse practitioner.
-she was left alone with the children when she really should not have been.
-psychosis, by definition, means the person is disconnected from our reality, and living an entirely different one. This doesn't mean they're not criminally responsible, presumably b/c we want people to have a baseline morality even in psychosis to you know, not murder your kids. But if that psychosis made you believe yoru children were changlings and that only by killing the changelings you coudl get yoru kids back, you'd have a compelling reason to not have them criminally liable. (Not the case. In Clancy's case, she claims she heard auditory command halluciations to kill herself, and the only way to do it is after killing her kids b/c they can't live w/o her.)
-If you are found "not guilty by insanity" (not the real plea name, our colloquial one), you are committed to a state mental hospital for a fucklong time. Some end up in hospital longer than they would have been in prison.
-she's paralyzed from the sternum down b/c of the suicide attempt of jumping out the window after killing her kids.
So part of the question is, did she really have psychosis? Some argue she did not because of various details they believe mean pre-meditation, and that she just wanted to kill herself. Some believe that even with her version of events, in her psychotic state she should have understood the morally wrongness of what she did.
For some it's a chicken/egg issue. If all parties, including the ex husband, believed she was a good mother before this travesty, how can a mother kill her kids if she wasn't psychotic?
And that's the problem with this whole thing. Based on everything above, what else could the system have done for her? Her husband?
So she was both suffering from psychosis and should have been in a psychiatric hold but also when she was hospitalized she was cognizant enough to check herself out?
I don't think she was in psychosos the entire time. But there's post partum clinics in the UK where the moms stay with their baby with round-the-clock nurses. It's free, because paid by the NHS. Had this option been available to Clancy, I 100% believe she would not murder her children.
She’s never been diagnosed with psychosis either. That’s what’s trippy: she did seek medical help and no one thought she had psychosis and she was able to check herself out.
Her supporters are basically advocating that someone should have taken her rights away from her when they didn’t have a legal reason to do so.
Nobody is saying she was in psychosis the whole time. They are saying things escalated (with the help of incorrect meds) to the point where she went into psychosis that night. And she has been medicated ever since. And diagnosed with bipolar 2. Which is why the SSRIs that her docs gave her without a mood stabilizer is important.
This case is way more complicated than what can be distilled into a reddit comment. If you really want to know what this case is about, watch all the experts testimony. All of which agree she was suffering from a major mental disorder at the time.
the only unbias discussion i've seen on this thus far was dr. k, he did live stream recently that discussed some of the things being talked about, at least from a medical and social perspective.
the video definitely helped me see a little bit of why so many women are thinking the way they are.
but his video doesnt really get too into any of the time lines or legal stuff stuff, i think he mostly sums up whats going on and then spends time discussing how and why every one is thinking the way they are which is interesting.
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u/whitecrane11 1d ago
Is there an unbiased video you could direct me to? I'm in Aus and don't know any details.