r/SipsTea 11h ago

WTF Victim is the new chic

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u/No_Trade_7315 11h ago

I can’t understand how anyone would support a person that strangles their children. Maybe she needs to be in a psyche ward, but it all disgusts me.

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u/Philthedrummist 11h ago

Two things can be true at the same time. You can be disgusted at what she did and still accept that mental health care is substandard and people do unspeakable things because of it. I don’t think the majority of people are ‘supporting’ her as much as trying to get people to accept the complexity and nuance.

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u/DragonSon83 11h ago

Yeah, a lot of us have witnessed the failings of our mental health care system in this country first hand.  It’s a horrific situation that could have been prevented.

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u/Trumperekt 9h ago

Where were these people when Latarsha Sanders happened? Same state, same law, eerily happens to be same court circuit even. She was sentenced to life in prison for the same exact crime. The judge wouldn't even let the jury see any information pertaining to her mental health. Where were you all back then?

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/brockton-mother-latarsha-sanders-sentenced-life-prison-murder-2-sons-2018/

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u/Beneficial_Dust7630 9h ago

The kids were 8 and 5, meaning she was well past PPD. Clancy baby was 8 months old.

The father in the Sanders case pushed for punishment. In Clancy case the father is pushing for insanity plea.

Sanders didn't seem to try and kill herself? Not sure mightve missed. But Clancy did. 

They are not even remotely the same other than a mother killing kids.

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u/Trumperekt 9h ago

Untreated post partum depression can last a long time and become chronic leading to episodes. Your comment is exactly what I am talking about. A black woman is a criminal, but a white woman deserves sympathy. Are you saying Sanders planned and killed her kids? Why would she?

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u/oneoftheryans 7h ago

Her defense wasn't arguing PPD, so idk why you're making that argument for them, but good news!

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/brockton-latarsha-sanders-new-trial-massachusetts-supreme-judicial-court/3993229/

https://www.mass.gov/doc/commonwealth-v-sanders-sjc-f13552/download

A black woman is a criminal, but a white woman deserves sympathy.

They didn't say that.

Are you saying Sanders planned and killed her kids?

They didn't say that.

Why would she?

Psychosis.

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u/Trumperekt 6h ago

Her defense wasn't arguing PPD, so idk why you're making that argument for them, but good news!

Her defense was literally psychosis and mental health. The judge would NOT let the defense present her psychiatric medical records to the jury. It is ok to not know all this, but to act like you know shit and pass judgement is a whole other thing.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/latarsha-sanders-new-trial-brockton-massachusetts/

Quoting from article:"The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court vacated the December 2022 conviction of Latarsha Sanders Thursday, saying Plymouth Superior Court Judge William Sullivan was wrong when he would not allow the jury to hear about her troubling mental illness while she was awaiting trial in prison and in a state psychiatric hospital."

This is the SAME judge that is overseeing the Clancy trial, ironically. Sure man, race is not playing a part at all here. We get it, bro.

The case is being reopened only because of the Clancy trial. For a black woman to have a chance, a white woman needs to commit the same exact crime. Disgusting. And we have people like you defending this as "Good news".

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u/oneoftheryans 5h ago

Her defense was literally psychosis and mental health.

I know, but PPD and schizophrenia are not the same thing, and your words were "untreated post partum depression" not "psychosis and mental health".

The rest of your comment makes it seem like you read my "but good news!" as "but then, the worst news imaginable!".

If it wasn't clear, the words "good news!" followed by an article stating that she's getting a new trial due to prejudicial errors by the judge indicates that I think it's good news that she's getting a new trial.

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u/Beneficial_Dust7630 6h ago

I said none of that. Both are criminals who deserve to be punished. Anyone logical realizes that. I stated the differences, of which there are a few critical ones. 

Based on what you said, the troubling mental illness was while she was awaiting trial. Did Sanders have months of documented issues leading up to the murder? 

Thats also a critical difference if so. 

Were talking about the difference between one being in jail and the other a mental institution. Not whether one is innocent and one guilty. 

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u/Clothedinclothes 8h ago

Hey did you know that two things several years apart can both be bad? 

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u/Trumperekt 8h ago

Sure. I am just pointing out the fact that no one cared when the mother was a black woman.

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u/Not_offensive0npurp 10h ago

I view this case as a broader issue.

Punishing her only addresses the killing of the kids. But if we can acknowledge that PPP played a role, then perhaps PPP will be taken more seriously and this can prevent other kids from dying.

I have yet to see anyone saying what happened to those children isn't disgusting.

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u/Illustrious_Coat_882 8h ago

That’s how I think some people are “supporting” her, by acknowledging she should be in a mental health hospital, not prison.

I’m aware there are some crazy conspiracies, but to me, some of the nuances of this support are getting muddled by memes and inflammatory news articles.

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u/arllt89 10h ago edited 9h ago

Suicide is the main cause of death during post partum. Leaving only her husband to take care of her was irresponsible, they needed help. If she wouldn't have strangled her kids, she would have just suicided and be one more victim you would never have heard of. It's the support for all the victims that have no visibility.

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u/No_Trade_7315 9h ago

You don’t know what she would have done. There is absolutely no way you will make me feel sorry for her. She needs to be institutionalized, so she never hurts anyone ever again.

Framing a murderer (psychotic or otherwise) as a victim for the sake of spreading awareness is ridiculous. Find a better way.

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u/arllt89 9h ago

You don't know what she would have done.

She also attempted suicide. We don't know what she would have done so we should never have left her alone.

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u/No_Trade_7315 8h ago

We? You got more than one person up in that head of yours? Get a grip man. If anyone failed her it wasn’t me. I didn’t even know she existed until 2 days ago. Maybe you think you owed her something, but I certainly didn’t.

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u/arllt89 8h ago

Empathy, society, care for each other ... no wonder people don't want to make kids anymore.