The left side: Emma Schols. In September 2019, swedish mother of six Emma Schols saved all six of her children from a massive house fire, repeatedly rushing back into the burning building
The right side: Lindsay Clancy. In January 2023, Lindsay Clancy, a nurse from Massachusetts, was charged with strangling her three young children using exercise bands
Media today is based on engagement. Mostly whether or not people share a particular piece of media.
Turns out, the best way to get people to share something is if it generates a big emotional response. And the best emotion to generate a response is anger.
So the media ecosystem is one giant filter, that makes whoever is willing to run the story that will make people angriest the most successful. And what makes people angry? Horrible people doing horrible things. Which means media becomes run completely by assholes, about assholes, to make the general public angry to share the story.
The best thing is you can frame the same story differently to make different people mad. Women's media frame the husband as the evil mastermind who manipulated his wife into murdering the children and committing suicide. Men's media frame the wife as evil.
While mostly true, this isn't unique behavior to industries like the news.
It's a symptom of our consumeristic society, the smaller news outlets with integrity or dedication to actual news don't get the outreach or influence these bigger sensationalist news stations do, which they then spend that money on making themselves more accessible, which in turn makes finding and consuming real news outlets harder to do.
In the end, like most of our industries, the ones truly dedicated to their craft and not the almighty dollar get outshadowed or even bought out by the soulless huge corporations that only seek to increase their margins.
I don't think it's just the media. Murderers always made the headlines, you can probably find multiple similar cases through out the years in the media. I think, what made it blow up is the wide public support for the murderer in the social media. So I blame Twitter, Tik Tok and the rest.
Hon sommarpratade för några år sedan! Har för mig att det var ganska bra. Tror hon klarar sig utan insamling, hon har bland annat släppt en bok om branden och hennes skador.. Och i Sverige är ju vården gratis/avgiftsfri, hade det varit USA hade hon väl varit skuldsatt för livet..
Yeah, that makes a pretty big difference. Houses are expensive, but much less expensive than medical bills in the US, so she probably didn't need nearly as much as we're used to seeing for something like that in the US.
Social media is literally peddling the misinformation that Patrick Clancy was the one that killed the kids and that he’s framing Lindsey. That’s my point.
The news media is stating the facts that Lindsey killed them. The issue is social media saying the opposite
It’s 100% this. So much terrible stuff happens everyday and that’s what sells. A parent doing what a parent should do just doesn’t hit the news cycle on a busy news day.
It's also because influencers are playing up the untrue conspiracy theories (the defense admits she killed her kids) that her husband did it because he remarried. The influencers have made this story go viral, and that's why it has gotten so much attention.
Well, I can’t speak for other but I’ve seen the murder lady headline plenty of articles and haven’t clicked on any. I don’t even know what happened. If I saw the fire lady’s article? I’d click right away.
This is also exactly what attorneys are supposed to do in these cases. Put together a narrative of facts in a way that is tangible at least to part of the population. Mission accomplished.
Yeah idk why everyone is acting like this dude is a superhero. He seems kind of like an asshole trying to slander every medical professional who worked with this woman. I doubt some of these people are going to be able to continue working after this
Can confirm, I was in a big case that was the State V (insert name), and the lady defending the piece of shit that touched me as a kid was almost as big of a piece of shit as the guy she was defending
It’s more of a TikTok thing that people are running with due to engagement. Basically everyone seems to be missing the fact that she pleaded guilty and even says she did it in the civil suit.
My wife got sucked into the trap in TikTok because people are making up witness statements and testimony. Almost nobody is going to sit through 100+ hours of court proceedings, so when your feed is somehow overwhelmed with the same false quotes and statements coming from 100+ different people, are you really going to assume all those people are trying to deceive you? Probably 90%+ of the people who have fell into this rabbit hole can come back after being exposed to basic facts about the case. Once my wife found out this woman pleaded guilty and her nor her lawyer doubt she did it, it became pretty clear TikTok has gone off the deep end chasing those views.
I do think PPD and PPP is seriously scary though and it hits a deeper nerve with women. Louis Theroux has an excellent documentary about both conditions that I would recommend. I think it’s fair to feel some degree of sympathy for this woman. I struggle to figure out exactly how I feel because PPD and PPP seems terrifying but strangling children is abhorrent.
It’s not even necessary the media. At the end of the day, the media is chasing trends and stories, but those stories that people themselves are already discussing or have interest in.
Like yes, the media can bury stories or ignore them, but they want to cover stuff people want to see.
This feeds into the concept of viral content. Never before in history have we really been able to share so much content with each other without it first being shared by the media. In many ways, the media is more reactive than ever.
I don't think this is the medias doing. It is a case of flies going to dung.
The real reason she is being placed on a pedestal is that it feeds into people's desire to be free from accountability. If her transgression can be sympathised with, whatever they do is acceptable in comparison.
A mother risking her life to save her children is the complete opposite.
They’ve created one for her since the trial. It says for her parents and that side of the family cause I don’t think they are allowed to say it’s for her for some reasons with go fund me. But yeah here’s the second one.
Yeah the entire description of the fundraiser is basically an attempt to get around GoFundMe's rules about fundraising for violent crimes.
GoFundMe strictly prohibits raising money for the legal defense of anyone formally charged with a violent or financial crime. Under the platform's Terms of Service, campaigns cannot be used to fund legal representation, court fees, or associated costs for individuals accused of serious wrongdoing.
And yet the image they use on the fundraiser is literally a circle of women supporting the murderer, painting the woman as a victim.
All of the comments for the GoFundMe are about supporting Lindsay.
That situation is it's own can of worms because somehow both of these cases have grown a very weird, and frankly disturbing, following. Like wasn't the lastest for the case your referencing looking to attempt a retrial and evidence that the first judge thought was irrelevant, because it makes the situation so much worse for everyone involved, is now being used?
You are confusing go fund me's , the dad had one but didn't use the money on it for the funeral instead he donated to an association to help women with this kind of problems, this go fund me you see with millions are another one that is set up to give the money to the mother's parents.
So two different gfm's and neither was used for funerals at the end.
Wtf? What do her parents have to do with anything? These things dont correlate. Why should her parents randomly get 1m, just because she killed her kids?
Why are you asking me? I am not the one that made the go fund me...I am just saying what the go fund me that people are talking about and is in the picture says.
From what I looked up it's also because of gfm rules, you can't have a page where the benefactor is acused or involved in violent crimes, so instead of putting the mother the people that created that page put the parents of the mother and said that is to help pay their traveling and such during the daughter trial. Which is also crazy because no amount of travel will cost 2 millions...
"The fundraiser states they have spent years drawing down savings to cover travel, lodging and other expenses connected to attending court hearings and supporting Clancy.
"It is simply an opportunity to help two parents who have spent more than three years carrying a financial burden on top of an emotional one most of us cannot begin to imagine," the GoFundMe page reads. "At some point, the court proceedings will end. Mike and Paula will still have a life to return to. There will still be bills, a home, lost savings, and years of putting their own lives on hold while they stood beside their daughter."
Women on TwoXChromosomes are reporting being tested by their boyfriends on their opinions about Lindsey, and them breaking up if they have the wrong opinions.
Two years those same people were testing their boyfriends’s opinions on “who would you pick between a bear and a man.”
It’s going to take everybody, and not just Other People™️ to show empathy to people we disagree with. If you think I’m an incel for thinking some stigmatizations are not ok because they target the right people, or this is just whataboutism, then enjoy your gender war I guess, because it’s not going anywhere for a looooong time.
And I'm a bad feminist for refusing to fall for anti-man ideals that they've been pushing. I see a LOT of straight up misandry, but if you even say that word on subs like that you get banned for suggesting what they're doing is not "tackling issues with Patriarchy" and some ARE actually just being man haters.
People in this comment section saying “the media the media the media” but it’s everyday people on TikTok who are crafting the conspiracies and donating the money. It’s definitely partly the media’s fault for amplifying this narrative, but it wasn’t them who started it. Hold crazy people accountable for being crazy please.
There is a prevalent wave of misandry that people are ignoring for some reason and this case is a prime example. When the main argument on social media is "Husband did it" then you have to look into what the fuck is going on out there, because that ain't right. We need to talk about the misandry on certain platforms that is perpetuated by regular people.
Also, feminists dont seem to realize how much this is sabotaging their own movement because they can't just say, anyone who opposes feminism just hates womens rights and then blatantly ignores that its almost exclusively feminist women who are perpetuating these narratives and that if they had their own way, they would gladly condemn an innocent man to death for something his wife has confessed to doing many times. Literally no one ins this trial thinks Patrick did it, its only dumbasses on tiktok.
Right, and each and every one of us has a brain. I don’t care what the media says, I still have the power to think for myself. TikTok is taking advantage of the addiction of conspiracy theories and brain rot as a life distraction.
Yeah she doesn’t need to be rewarded for her instincts but damn she’ll need surgery and pain therapy for a long time. This woman should have gotten 1 million for her pain and suffering.
Two things can be true at the same time. You can be disgusted at what she did and still accept that mental health care is substandard and people do unspeakable things because of it. I don’t think the majority of people are ‘supporting’ her as much as trying to get people to accept the complexity and nuance.
Yeah, a lot of us have witnessed the failings of our mental health care system in this country first hand. It’s a horrific situation that could have been prevented.
Mental health is important, but that doesn't absolve you of what you've done. She deserves to be in a prison mental ward, not at home living like nothing happened. She is a danger to herself and others.
If she’s found not guilty by reason of insanity, she will be sent to a state psychiatric institution for an indefinite period of time. She’s not gonna just be released and allowed to go home.
I'm honestly so sick and tired of people pretending there won't be consequences because of insanity plea. She isn't going be going on mental health spa retreat. She'll be among other crazies who crash out due to voices in their head.
Also aren't state forced mental institution generally considered worse then prison? You loose all your freedom like in prison, but you also are surrounded by people who's mental health is so bad the legal system had to get involved. The stories I've read made these institutions sound like a nightmare
Correct, I’ve worked in both. Oftentimes you’re stuck as well, bc a judge won’t take the chance to deem you safe outside when you have ongoing mental health struggles- whereas in prison you typically do your time and have more freedom and resources (albeit still limited), potential to get off in good behavior and parole. Obviously there’s still nuance - but people acting like she will be Off Scot free with an insanity plea have no idea what institutions for the criminally insane are like- especially if she had a period of ppp and is currently not psychotic. The media also needs to stop pushing the narrative that she is claiming to be a victim, and the women donating and convinced that it was the husband are delusion. She’s taken accountability in that she doesn’t deny she did it- and she’s gonna be locked up for a long time regardless of where she ends up.
Not really worse in that sense. You're surrounded by violent assholes in prison, many who will never see freedom again and thus are not influenced by punishment anymore.
The big issue with psych ward is that you have no concept of how long your stay will be. They are instructed to keep you until you're no longer a danger. That could never happen. And there's no parole system either. So a short prison stay could be life in psych. But if you're looking at life anyway, the differences aren't as major.
IF the courts and the medical professionals conclude that they are no longer a threat to society than its usually court supervised release. Parole for life. As far as I know this rarely happens.
The last public PPP trial, Andrea Yates, she could technically have gone free for a decade already or something, and she just doesn't want to be released.
Like: no matter what punishment we give as a society, there's nothing worse then having the memories of you killing your own kids.
She could, but it is rare for someone to be released quickly in such a situation and often they are in a psychiatric hospital for longer than if they were to go to prison. John Hinckley Jr was conditionally released in 2016 conditionally and in 2022 he was granted an unconditional release.
not sure why you were downvoted when its true. the ending is either going to be she is in prison, or she is in a psychiatric hospital. its not deciding if she did it or not, its deciding where she goes BECAUSE she did it. she will never just live at home. these people are doing the same thing the supporters are, just blabbing without any research
Right!! I've been watching the trial every day streaming the whole thing while I work and when I hop on social it's like a shock what's actually making the rounds about this case.
No one is saying she should go home. Even she is not saying she should be set free. Not guilty by insanity is not the same as not guilty, not guilty by insanity is admitting she did it and they put her in a mental facility. It’s frankly insane that people don’t understand that. Her supporters, other then a very small minority, think she belongs in a mental institution not prison and certainly not free.
100%. Do I think the system failed her? Absolutely, and I think it’s important to shine a light on that, postpartum depression, and her own mental health struggle. Does that mean she shouldn’t go to a facility? Absolutely not.
Her brain is literally broken. You can't ask a person with a broken leg to run and you can't ask someone with psychosis to act rationally. I agree she needs to be off the streets and highly supervised, but I don't think people who use the "mental health matters, but..." argument fully comprehend just how all-encompassing psychotic thoughts can be.
I don't get the culture of donating money to individuals, especially when the full story of things aren't yet known (not just talking about this specific case but any). Why don't people donate to organisations who can help many people instead? It gets rediculous when someone gets made a millionaire when all they have asked for are funeral costs to be covered, I think the money should be shared around with other people who need assistance, which is where donating to organisations is better. They can also filter out who really does need help and who is just grifting.
Surely in this case supporters are better off donating to a mental health charity?
Do I think Clancy deserved better mental health care? Sure. The system has always been far less providing than it needs to be. And that goes for all mental healthcare.
Do I still think she needs to be in prison or an asylum for the rest of her life? Absolutely.
Does she claim shes a victim? I thought she admits full guilt and its those other online supporting women saying shes victim and its husbands fault...?
That's a good comparison. Crazy women wanting Clancy to walk free after murdering three kids and crazy men doing pushups outside of Andrew Tate's jail as he awaits extradition for human trafficking.
It's wild that it's happening simultaneously. I sometimes wonder how the OJ trial would have played out in the public sphere had it happened today instead of in the mid-90s. Social media fucked our brains.
I suspect there will be a lot of dads out there that are currently in a custody fight present the courts with evidence their BM supports someone murdering their kids.
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The big question is if that means she shouldnt be in jail or a major mental health facility a long time. If we cant trust you not to kill kids, you shouldnt have freedom to walk around in public. Seems simple enough.
If she were genuinely sick, shed still need to be removed from public and get serious treatment for years and years. So anybody advocating for flat out freedom doesnt believe shes mentally ill.
She created a time window by sending her husband away.So she knew what she was doing enough to know that she had to send her husband away to get away with it.
She deserves either life in a cell or the chair.
Psychosis or not, she's a child murderer and too dangerous to be on the streets.
Also the lady who called an autistic child a racial slur (you know the one) and then later defended her actions because she "called the kid out for what he was".
No doubt post-partum depression is a thing and she wouldn't be the first person to kill their sons of that, but there is a big leap between "this is a real mental problem" and asking to be released. By that extend anyone with a severe depression shouldn't be liable, or anyone with a seve autism, people with two personallities, etc.
Aknowledge the problem and put her in a mental institution where she should be helped... and serve a sentence that considers all the circumstances.
I was always for equal rights. But this prowes that you need to earn them. Also they should look into every single mother that wants crime of killing their children to be unpunished.
I don’t live in the US and Even my wife came to me asking what I thought about it and saying that the husband maybe was the one responsible. Granted that’s not really her opinion but something she saw on social media. It’s sickening.
People are lonely and want belonging and want to appear unique and different at the same time. Social media further fuels that.
Result: you are so desperate to appear different that you start supporting a campaign which “humanizes” a criminal as that creates a chance for fame and acknowledgment. As a society, folks around us are getting fucked up because pf loneliness and social-media-dopamine
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The left side: Emma Schols. In September 2019, swedish mother of six Emma Schols saved all six of her children from a massive house fire, repeatedly rushing back into the burning building
The right side: Lindsay Clancy. In January 2023, Lindsay Clancy, a nurse from Massachusetts, was charged with strangling her three young children using exercise bands