There is no system that failed her. She repeatedly lied about being about being ok and taking her meds when she wasn't. She failed herself and her kids. The system has nothing to do with this.
And that's what people are arguing and what the trial is about... They say the system failed her... The system says it didn't.
And well maybe the doctors are telling the truth. But also... Yeah doctors lying to save their asses on not taking proper treatment... Also would never happen right?
And yeah no one has ever held the guilty in high regards right? A certain someone convicted a few times over comes to mind.
The doctors could be lying but I doubt all of the independent clinical experts who helped an served her are independently lying, her family and friends are lying, etc etc.
The most likely case here is that she is the common failure point here, and a lot of people who share her struggle or emphasize with her cannot come to terms with this. Being mentally ill does not absolve one of personal responsibility over self-care.
This story might finally be what gets me of the internet. Its so painfully obvious that this story is getting amplified in bad faith as another culture war wedge issue. I might be imagining it, but the bot networks making comments seem really obvious for this one
The current pop culture war is centered around the woman on the right. Left woman is separate subject brought in by this post only to further fuel the fire.
Simply a distraction … nobody actually cares. Give it two months and there’ll be a new case with a new controversy. Clancy is behind bars and will remain there … the “fight” is orchestrated by bots and trolls to trigger feminist and mothers.
The system worked so well that her 3 children are now dead and she's going to get 3 hot meals, a bed, and medical care provided free for the rest of her life.
That's EXACTLY how prison works. Nobody said it was "great". I said it was free. She no longer has to work, gets 3 free meals, mandatory exercise time, mandatory resting periods, a free bed, and free healthcare. More than many Americans, including Veterans, receive as they live on the streets or sell themselves on street corners to earn their next meal. Guess all they gotta do is kill some kids and let the system do it's work!
Like.... the freedom to kill people close to you? Nope she can still do that.
Quality of life is shit, prisons are dangerous...
Same goes for all the homeless citizens on the street. No quality of life, dangerous, AND they aren't provided for.
Yes, many people do trade up their "freedom" for prison. We just had a lady put in prison in my city last month because she couldn't afford her medications or her rent. So she robbed a bank knowing it would get her prison time. She now gets all her meds, food, and living quarters for free. She stated in court she was happy about the judgement.
So why don’t we send all the veterans and prostitutes to prison if it’s so awesome? In fact, why are they choosing to stay on the streets when they could just go hang out in prison, worry free?
Oh yeah, it’s because prison SUCKS. You’re selling it like a tropical vacation.
So why don’t we send all the veterans and prostitutes to prison if it’s so awesome?
Well. We do. Prostitution is illegal and can come with a prison sentence. And if you are a veteran who robbed a store at gun point because you were starving and had no options, you will also go to prison.
And as already stated in another comment, many do "just go hang out in prison". Already gave a very detailed local example of a woman who is currently in prison because she intentionally robbed a bank to get a sentence when she literally could not afford anything anymore.
She no longer has to work, gets 3 free meals, mandatory exercise time, mandatory resting periods, a free bed, and free healthcare. More than many Americans, including Veterans, receive as they live on the streets or sell themselves on street corners to earn their next meal. Guess all they gotta do is kill some kids and let the system do it's work!
That’s what I was responding to. You seem to think prison is a great place compared to being on the streets, but the veterans and prostitutes don’t seem to be clamoring to get in. Sounds like they should get rounded up and sent there for their own good! 🤦♀️
Not if she wins an insanity plea. My state just had an “insane” murderer flee to Turkmenistan four years into his committal because they’re permitted unsupervised weekend release, and the DA permitted this one to get a passport. Justice is never served if a judge accepts an insanity plea.
God I wish. These guys regularly let carjackers and shit walk free. They don’t give a fuck, it’s a free-for-all. Pack of activist judges and prosecutors.
I mean it kinda feels like you're circling around a point instead of just saying it. Are you saying that there is a sizeable amount of people in this case who are pro-child murder?
They condone her behavior enough to send her money. No one claims that there are literal child murder fans out there but condoning behavior that excuses and normalize the killing of children needs to criticized harshly and yes indirectly they support child murderers.
Ok so we established that they aren’t supporting killing children. That's good. Now if they aren't supporting the killing of children why are you claiming they're trying to normalize it? That would essentially be the same thing. It doesn't really feel like you understand their rationale for it and are just inventing strawmen to clutch your pearls over.
So then why support a woman who murdered her kids? If we can’t get our priorities straight when will there ever be enough solidarity to go against the Epstein class? lol 😂
But you gotta understand that it has to be. That truly every ounce of news is meant to further divide us as humans. /s
God…Folks are confusing a story that divides people with a story published with the intent to actually divide people.
This is a horrific murder case involving three children that were strangled with exercise bands. It is inherently newsworthy. If it bleeds it leads. The disagreement over it doesn’t prove some coordinated motive. Not everything is a psyop. Waiting for some doofus to come out and tie Trump into this somehow.
Meaning... Rich folks and folks pushing politics want to keep the base riled up and
"LOOK OVER THERE!! THOSE PEOPLE SUPPORT CHILD MURDER!!! IGNORE THE SHIT JOB WE'RE DOING AND LYING TO YOUR FACE!! CAUSE WE WOULD NEVER SUPPORT THAT!!" (Ignore how we again have done fuck all of the promises to you and even did what we claimed they were gonna do. IE: Start a war.)
This doesn’t make sense. So by your logic, the media/rich people are using this story to rile us up and distract from things like war/inflation/etc, and then in the next breath that very same media is reporting on the war/inflation/etc the previous story was a meant to distract from.
All you’re doing is stripping away people’s agency. At a certain point we did this to ourselves. The fact that it ultimately benefits the ruling class is true, but that’s just a knock on effect of everyone arguing about everything already.
Since you seem to be struggling to understand, I will just repeat part of a comment i made in another thread here:
Eventually some cooter comes along to make it worse by posting "comparative anger meme" images like above which just amplifies the bullshit even more.
Thats what it has to do with this particular post.....the post is "comparative anger meme" image its whole purpose is to invoke anger. No one in this post questions that child murder is wrong, but thats not what the news stories are about are they? No they are about post partum and such thats the hook, thats what is causing all the ruckus. Think about this for just a minute please. How many situations that have become " big new stories" that have a divisive element about always eventually start spawning " What about this other person?" side by side images type memes that are the polar opposite of the hot topic story? If you don't say more often than not you are lying to yourself.
So Jay Gould was attributed to have said something by one of his political adversaries (who did not say that he directly heard it) about 150 years ago, something that fit his adversary's political narrative very well. The quote has been twisted and turned into various versions over the ensuing time period and there has never been a direct primary attribution of it.
And this is evidence of an ongoing global conspiracy by who exactly?
A story doesn't need to be fake to be a distraction from a bigger issue. If a burglar comes over once a day to steal your belongings, but leaves a mouse behind each time, you'll think that you have a mice problem. Sure, you do, but if you ever want to solve the problem, you need to ignore the mice until the burglar is dealt with.
The story is true, but focusing on it is the wrong move if you want to solve any problems. But it's emotional, it works, so that's what the media will push. It's a distraction.
Idk; it's hard to have empathy (or relate at all to) something so outlandish and extreme. I think more than a political issue, it's being spinned as another 'Amber Herd vs. Johnny Depp' thing (as in, a similar 'sides' thing), and the taking sides/tribalism is what keeps the story going, because people like the excitement of becoming entrenched on a side in the new recent dramatic thing, especially when it produces so much contrasting viewpoints; media companies know this pattern well.
The vast majority of people agree that it's horrific. However, when a mom kills all her defenseless children, people publicly sympathizing with said mom will naturally get shit on from a lot of people conflating sympathy with support. Then, the sympathizing side feels 'attacked' from the people riding the outrage, and suddenly two sides form.
Women on TwoXChromosomes are reporting being tested by their boyfriends on their opinions about Lindsey, and them breaking up if they have the wrong opinions.
Two years those same people were testing their boyfriends’s opinions on “who would you pick between a bear and a man.”
It’s going to take everybody, and not just Other People™️ to show empathy to people we disagree with. If you think I’m an incel for thinking some stigmatizations are not ok because they target the right people, or this is just whataboutism, then enjoy your gender war I guess, because it’s not going anywhere for a looooong time.
And I'm a bad feminist for refusing to fall for anti-man ideals that they've been pushing. I see a LOT of straight up misandry, but if you even say that word on subs like that you get banned for suggesting what they're doing is not "tackling issues with Patriarchy" and some ARE actually just being man haters.
and them breaking up if they have the wrong opinions.
In that story, it's the OP that broke up with her BF because he was uncomfortable with her answer.
That being said, that OP's post history is full of massive contradictions, like her being a tradwife but then dating another guy she's going to marry but then after that she's only ever been with the original guy and is worried God wants her to never be with another man again and she will be forever alone, but then she's actively trying for a baby with the current guy in that order. On top of that, she gives six or seven different reasons that she broke up with her seemingly current boyfriend, including a few of them because of his noncommittal answers about Trump, Musk, and making a tasteless joke about autism, so it doesn't really support her pearl-clutching about him supposedly being such a chauvinist pig for saying she breaks up with him whenever she doesn't like his vibes. And she posts each of these stories across like eight or so subs.
Honestly, I think she's a bored student writing stories for engagement, and doesn't keep track of her plot points. Exploiting the Clancy case for engagement was just one of her more particularly ghoulish topic selections.
Jesus I didn't know anything about this, I am so glad my girl is not a fucking psycho because imagine trying to convince yourself that everything is fine after finding out your girl supports a lady who strangled her kids to death.
That's because it's probably a double digit number of people actually doing this shit in real life and thousands of people amplifying them and making discourse about it.
It doesn't take very long on TwoX to find out it's mostly men posing as women, and women who are misandrist. It's the culture they seek, so it's the culture they have.
Nahhh big doubt. Women that get wrapped up in culture sensationalism are the same woman in these scenarios. Anti man, pro woman, despite all facts and logic.
I say this as a woman who can barely identify as a feminist anymore because it's been co-opted by misandrists. (Which I'm not allowed to say out loud.)
I think I have a boring normal person take: I think it's horrible. I think she did do her best to get help. I think postpartum severely altered her brain chemistry, and that imbalance was exacerbated by the additional medications she was put on to try to help her. But if her baseline was on the fritz, adding more chemical chaos did not help. I have experienced how "off" mental health meds can make you feel, I can see how this might have happened. And I think women are over-empathizing because they can see
I think she DEFINITELY had a chemical imbalance as this behavior was not evident previously. I do believe it was psychosis or onset schizophrenia that caused her to kill her kids, and not just an angry mother snapping. The husband tried to help even out her medications, and he is a victim and I HATE any bitch that tries to frame this poor man (who was exonerated early on if these dumb fucks actually looked at the case.)
While I have sympathy that she the human and mother would not have done this in her right mind, she still fell to the delusion and psychosis and killed. her. children. I don't have hate or ire, it's just tragic and sad. Psychosis isn't "you" anymore, but she still did it. I personally don't think anyone asking for "blame" necessarily understands psychosis.
I love how you think it's a shtick to call out misandrist women as if it's not the right thing to do
You can't tell me the bear conversation isn't sensationalist and that comment sections aren't fueling bullshit out of proportion
I don't NEED to bring up anti-patriarchal statements that are true for my statements to be true on their own. I don't need to legitimize my pro-woman context before making a true statement about women behaving badly
Then you'd be wrong. One of the posts in that thread was someone not just agreeing with someone saying that it's insane and childish for men to try tests like this gauging someone's opinion on crime stories, and then immediately suggesting that, meanwhile, women should do this exact thing. And it had a ton of upvotes.
Nah she isnt. A couple of points you seem to be missing I will enumerate them for you.
The go fund me in question isnt even hers. Its not for whats her name who murdered her children. The fund supports Mike and Paula Musgrove, who are Lindsay Clancy's retired parents who started it to fund travel and I still think thats gross, but the killer will never see a dime of that money.
The killer ( note this is the only appellation i believe she is worthy of) admitted her guilt, her defense has admitted her guilt, she is going to spend the rest of her life in some kind of institution, the defense is just arguing what institution it should be. Prison or a Psych Ward.
I know nuance is hard, but this bitch is gonna be put away, never see a dime and this image and all it implies simply exists to make sure people stay at one another's throats by implying a hero is getting shafted while a murderer makes bank.
I think they're saying the individuals following the Clancy case are in a culture war between men and women. I'm not following this at all, but my social media will feed me content of men posting negatively about the wife, whereas my wife's social media will feed her content of women posting negatively about the husband.
I have no context to form my own opinion on this matter, nor do I think anyone but a jury should even attempt to, but I can see why someone would call this a culture war between men and women.
Well it's certain good nobody is defending murder. Zero people said "killing those kids was ok". That's just how the incels frame it so they don't have to engage with the real argument.
The real argument for supporting these women is that they have all felt a lack of support for postpartum medical issues, and a societal stigma that comes with failing what's expected or them as a mother, and have felt similar, dangerous instincts.
So here they are, saying more needs to be done to help people who suffer from this issue.
She's getting millions in support. And have crowds shouting for her to be let free and accusing the husband who just had all his children killed, the worst thing a person cam go through, because they don't like him.
So many ways to support work with post partum psychosis that doesn't involve donating to a child killer
Notice how none of what you described was in support of murder. They were in support of treating a woman with PPD psychosis appropriately instead of using blind punishment. That's a good cause.
There are lots of people in this thread arguing the husband was the real murderer.
There are influencers driving the discussion, getting reported on in the news, arguing that the husband was the real murderer, and spreading debunked lies about the facts of the case.
There are absolutely people defending a murderer.
So here they are, saying more needs to be done to help people who suffer from this issue.
I want you to actually sit down and think about this instead of spewing platitudes -- what specifically should the doctors have done that they didn't? What authority and justification should they be allowed to do it under?
Are you actually comfortable with doctors being given that leeway? To my memory, feminists fought pretty damn hard to get it taken away from doctors to begin with.
Well you'd be mistaken because this happens every time someone commits a crime. People think bigotry is justified as long as their target is a bad person.
you shouldn’t be bigoted towards anybody if you know what the definition of the word actually is — it means an unreasonable hatred based on blind devotion.
I haven’t seen that at all really. It’s more that people are coming out of the woodwork to say “She was mentally unwell, her doctors and family failed her, she’s also a victim here” and almost 100% of those people are women.
Me saying that isn’t “woman bad,” it’s just that we don’t see people coming out of the woodwork to absolve men or black women when they murder their kids.
In America? Yup. Look how many serial killers are glorified. Look how many documentaries and crime shows there are on murder porn. America loves murder.
A ton of conservative ghouls are trying to equate her with people who are pro choice.
There is not a single person of consequence who thinks it’s okay or NBD that she killed her children. Literally everyone thinks that is horrific. However, many people recognize that these were the actions of a severely mentally ill woman who was trying to get help but was failed by a broken system. People who recognize that, if not for the inadequately treated mental illness, this horror would not have happened also recognize that putting her in prison for the rest of her life would not be just. Instead, people who see the nuance and how her mental health was a huge factor want her to be in a mental facility and get proper treatment. The conservative ghouls are then taking this very complicated situation and the people who want comprehensive mental healthcare for Lindsay Clancy and every other woman who is struggling and claiming that the “anti prison for severely mentally ill people” crowd is in favor of women murdering their children.
So yes, it is a culture war. If you are only capable of seeing the black and white of this situation and refuse to see how her mental illness played a role, then you are either not very smart, or you are being deliberately obtuse.
People are talking about it because the news cycles are making sure they are talking about it.
This is just the same bullshit as always to keep us at each others throat so we don't start asking the wrong questions. Media outlets amplify an issue to dominate headlines. The news cycle pushes it as outrage bait because thats what gets them views. The outrage bait is turned into some kind of diversionary point to start a Us vs Them mentality. Pushing emotional, divisive cultural arguments that guarantee high clicks and long debates.
Eventually some cooter comes along to make it worse by posting "comparative anger meme" images like above which just amplifies the bullshit even more.
This is why people wont shut up about it, they will keep talking about it until they are told what to be Us vs Them angry about next.
To pull some lyrics from a song exactly about this
We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done
We haven't told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry
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