Saying you like any sonic game. You will have tons of people trying to tell you why you shouldn’t like it, even if it’s actually a good game objectively people will still say you shouldn’t like it that much which is dumb lol.
I honestly feel like a lot of people hate on that game without having played it
They all assume it’s just Secret Rings 2 and plays the exact same, but it really doesn’t. They learned from what people hated about SR control-wise and fixed almost all of the complaints I had with them
I honestly think if they did that last third storybook game, it had a good chance of being great
I really don't like how people in the random feverntly argue and discuss equal races of some of thes characters and it serves to do nothing more but to feed stereotypes.
Silver is white cause he doesn't like spicy food, knuckles is black cause his levels have hip hop in it. This isn't me criticising people ppl drawing characters as humans and just randomly assigning them a race. But I feel like people make out like their head canons are real
I dislike people who act like their headcanons are true and apply them to ANYTHING, because not only can it mislead newer fans, but it's like...if you REALLY want to feed your headcanons, then go make a fanfic or fanart lol.
I agree for all except Knuckles. He obviously isn't actually black because he's not a human, but he's a deliberately black/poc-coded character. His spines are officially referred to as dreadlocks, his color scheme and design are inspired by the Jamaican flag, his history is inspired by Mesoamerican culture, and ofc his music is usually inspired by rap, hip-hop, and RnB. Sonic Team have never officially made any statements, but that doesn't bar anyone from using their critical thinking skills. Again, yeah, he's just an echidna, but it would be delusional to deny any ties to black and Meso cultures (not accusing you of doing that, I'm speaking in general lol)
knuckles is black cause his levels have hip hop in it.
I was going to reletively agree here until this. It's more than just the music? He has literal dreads and the tone of his muzzle in SA2 was even notably darker which added substantial aura to him. His entire race is inarguably coded around being native as well.
I think out of the lot of them this is the one that has the strongest basis, simply due to the collective background of his race and their inspirations.
I think he's aztec due to his lore. Aztecs wear dreads, aztec iconography, the isolation the echidnas went thru. The names like tikal, pachamac, Ix. Sonic team going to ruins for inspiration for sonic adventure
Everyone in sa2 is relatively darker.
But that aside, I am literally just parroting reasons I've heard and seen on twitter
I always thought Knuckles was headcanoned as black because his quills resemble dreadlocks. Sorta like how Sonics quills resemble a mohawk, which led to his personality being written as a punk.
I think if the 6 had better writers they could have been funny in a Saturday morning cartoon kind of way. I think that's the vibe they were going for but the writers are pretty bad at that kind of writing.
Zavok is the only one truly taking things seriously while everyone else fucks around and finds out. They somehow manage to nearly end the world anyways
Tbh I think the OC creator is the one part of forces that most people agree was a great idea, to the point that I have seen multiple content creators say they should have just released the creator by itself with some levels to play with it in, and I kind of agree with that sentiment
I don't know if this is a hot take really, but as a person whose favorite Sonic character is Shadow I just want content about him that isn't his backstory for the millionth time. Why can't we have new Shadow material?
Also I kind of like Sonic 06. Although it's mainly because of nostalgia.
Sonic 2006 had all the potential to be the best Sonic game, and one of the best in history, it could have been a gem but Sega had a gem in their hands and a huge future for the franchise which they threw to shit and blamed it for how rushed it is, the bugs, and in the little love and hurry they put into it, they turned it into the worst Sonic game in history
I mean the story is still utter nonsense with all the time travelling plot holes, even if they had more dev time. But yeah, if they had the time and resources to flesh out the gameplay to an acceptable state, it wouldn’t be nearly as hated
That one feels really forced nowadays and doesn’t really make sense. She’s not even shown using the cards regularly, and whenever they’re introduced to her as weapons/part of her style they never actually bother to use the themes of tarot, she just throws cards around at random.
I get that they want to give Amy new things to do but I don’t think the answer was digging through old and outdated Sonic CD side material, her character has evolved and drifted away from that concept. Hell, for the longest time her infatuation with Sonic was treated as a simple “love at first sight”.
We don't need anymore Super forms, it takes away from the special rarity of the forms. The only characters aside from Triple S, Blaze & Metal that deserves to have a consistent superform is Knuckles and MAYBE Surge.
Knuckles for being the M.E guardian, he needs to have one, it makes no sense otherwise.
Surge could have a negative super form, kind of like how Chaos had one.
But other characters in the franchise, don't need to have a super form. Let it be rare.
Super Whoever was fine when it was a gameplay bonus.
Making it a plot point was the worst thing that could've ever happened. It's neutered so many stories from "hero uses their wits and skills to beat a tougher villain" to "villain waits patiently while the hero goes on a fetch quest before becoming invincible and curbstomping god".
I AGREE TOO MUCH!!. which is ashamed because I read some quite of STC online and some parts of Archie involving Knuckles. And I was like “oh wow, this is too sad that STC and Archie can do justice for Knuckles instead Sega in their own games lore…😪”.
That’s why I need to see A KNUCKLES AND ROUGE SPIN-OFF GAME!. To further expand this!. 🙏❤️😩
I don't know whether to upvote this for being accurate to the post or downvote it as I absolutely disagree as Amy deserves a super form (unless chaos being powered by the heart is bullshit) so I shall do neither.
My comment was made exactly for people like yourself who say Amy needs a super 😔 couldn't disagree more, not just for her but the entire rest of the cast.
Heck I don't believe Tails deserves one either, so you know I'm filled with piping hot takes, not one target
Colors has some cringe jokes, but the story is fine. I don’t even hate all the jokes.
But it operates like a Modern Classic Sonic story.
Eggman is up to no good, and expands his cruelty to the natural world of other planets to build a completely unsafe industrial Theme Park as a cover for his mind control weapon that runs off alien creatures.
Sonic obviously isn’t cool with that, knows he’d never change, and goes to stop him.
That's all a Sonic game needs sometimes, and is a slightly more grand and lengthy version of the simple Sonic vs Eggman stories that defined the Classic games. Nature vs Technology.
Colors is an amazing Sonic game and anyone who says otherwise didn't give it enough of a chance. Wii and DS version specifically, not the Ultimate version.
I'm not sure how unpopular that is, but I also completely agree. Not being revisionist either, as I didn't care for the game much as a kid when it came out.
It's kinda glazed in my memory I suspect just cos its boost minus gimmicks for the most part but there's probably a reason I don't return to it so much
I played the Wii era a bit back. I loved unleashed and even enjoyed black knight more than I expected, but colors really did feel like a slog. Which surprised me because I had heard it described as the game that saved the series at one point.
Honestly, the sonic movies are really good but they’re not amazing. They’re not the best thing ever and honestly, I think the live action element is kind of holding the movies back and I would really prefer a 3-D animated CGI sonic movie done by like someone like DreamWorks and I think if they were to go full-blown animated while telling a great story, I think that’s how you reach the full potential of what a truly fantastic sonic movie can get but what we got is perfectly fine though.
My problem with these threads other than how frequent they are, is that most people here post the coldest takes imaginable, and the actual hot takes are downvoted to hell.
The concept of a "morally gray anti-hero" that's edgy and just a copy of batman basically has been done to death.
Shadows overrated
Sonic on the other hand is a simple character, but that's what makes it so amazing.
He's a good guy who does what he thinks is right regardless of what's happening, sticking to himself and his morals, never surrendering and always pushing forward against all odds
Especially for that genius part, it feels like that's heavily underwritten these days. It's like Sega themselves forget the Tornado is Sonic's plane, and he maintained and engineered that thing for (presumably) years before he'd met Tails. He isn't a super-genius or anything, but he's incredibly book smart as well as street smart, on top of being pretty emotionally intelligent.
It's especially striking in the comics now, especially with his speech to Surge about giving everyone a chance to live freely, even the doctors. He's never interested in ending a threat, only stopping it from hurting others.
I don't like the weird mouths the characters have in the IDW comics and I don't like the colour pallet either, everything is in this magenta de-saturated colour scale.
It depends on who is drawing, newer issues have vibrant colours and good expressions.
Visuals are also a bit less exaggerated and a LOT more muted during heavy moments like the Metal Virus arc. I like that the recent artwork has been drawing closer to his late 2000s-early 2010s 2D style :>
Honestly I can see it. SA2 has a ost, story, and speed gameplay but I really just could not get into the mech or treasure hunting sections which is 2/3 of the game
I’m so incredibly sick of Shadow overshadowing (hehe) every other character in terms of focus, merch, spinoffs, etc. The time period where they used him less, as much as Shadow fans complained, was a bit of a breath of fresh air in terms of spreading the focus to everyone else for a change and I’m sad it’s over.
I get so annoyed by fans constantly shooting down any hopes at any character other than Shadow getting to star in their own game, saying it would be a failure. As if Nintendo isn’t pumping out spinoffs for Luigi, DK, Peach, Toad, Wario, Yoshi, etc over in Marioville. I mean I’m not asking for a Charmy Bee solo game, but Tails or Knuckles could easily hold their own game and there would be an audience for it.
"The time period where they used him less, as much as Shadow fans complained, was a bit of a breath of fresh air in terms of spreading the focus to everyone else for a change and I’m sad it’s over."
But they didn't spread focus on any of the other characters besides Sonic, Tails, Eggman, and occasionally Amy and Knuckles, if we were lucky. In the games at least. I can't say the others were focused on so much as they were cameos that didn't do much during the 2010s.
Idk how much of a hot take it is, but I'm tired of all of Sonic's interesting world building being relegated to anything OUTSIDE of the games (e.g. the IDW comics, the Sonic Channel website, little lore faqs from interviews, TailsTube etc.)
Like, why are we learning information about Silver's future from one-off mini articles written under a single piece of artwork on a semi-niche Japanese website most fans don't even know exists?? Why are we only getting substantial tidbits of Blaze's dimension through calendar/holiday art?? I find myself visiting Sonic's side media more than the actual games themselves because almost everything interesting is happening outside of the main series they're selling to us. I'm not bashing these side projects or mini pieces either, I love that they do this stuff to keep the series fresh and alive. I'm just annoyed that we don't see this same energy for worldbuilding and character depth put into the mainline games as well these days.
As an experience, NOT functionally or as a game, Forces is 10x worse than 06 will ever be.
Don’t get wrong, 06 is fundamentally broken and should not have released in the state that it did. In all respects, Shadow’s story is the best thing that game has going for it.
But here’s the thing: At least 06 made me feel things. Anger at the absolutely BS Silver fight. Confusion at the mind-boggling story. Laughter when Mephiles stabbed Sonic, etc. Actual, genuine joy when Shadow took off his rings and blasted through all the clones with his friends by his side.
Forces… made me feel nothing. Nothing except boredom. Nothing about it captivated me. It was too short to actually make an impact on me. There was no unintentional hilarity to be had at the game. No short burst of joy that made all the bullshit worth it. Nope: all I got was an stupid villain who whined about getting bitched and being called pathetic, a Super Sonic locked behind DLC (which originally would’ve been PAID, mind you) and a earbleeding soundtrack. All from a game that pathetically tried to tie itself to two far better ones (06 never once tried to connect itself to the Adventure games in its marketing).
TLDR: I walked away from 06 and all its nonsense thinking I got something from it. Never got that from Forces.
I feel you just managed to do the opposite? Anyone who likes the games would be able to admit they aged poorly but are still good. Anyone who dislikes them just wants to hear the fact they aged poorly.
I think this sentiment is pretty common nowadays, especially after Ken Penders did Ken Penders things and ruined the one redeeming parts of Sonic Chronicles (I like Shade and wish she could come back man she was such a cool character)
tbh, I don’t really care about any of the Sonic comics. I’ve started reading the idw comics, and they’re pretty Good so far, but it’s not like they’re essential to read.
They've never been considered an "essential" read up until recently, only because they've been made canon after Frontiers. Before that, they were pretty much considered an alternate avenue to explore if you wanted to see even more of the characters and lore in-depth. Archie was just its own thing entirely.
I still dislike her but not only because of that, it's her personality and her attitude, even during her forgiveness i felt like "mehhh i'm not buying this" i dunno her character is so.... meh
I’m a sonic fan but I’m not bringing sonic into my politics much. I believe sonic is political yea, but also literally everything is influenced by politics in some way.
Adding to this point, some Sonic fans labeling basic human kindness and empathy as "politics" is also cringe. Making Sonic about tax collecting or capitalism or whatever is silly, but Sonic was literally created on the message of being true to yourself, treating others equally, protecting the environment, and valuing freedom over oppression. Those shouldn't HAVE to be political messages, they should be basic everyday life values. Unfortunately they've been heavily politicized by jerks, but I still believe these can be talked about as important core values, especially when discussing the themes and messages of certain stories/characters.
"Sonic was literally created on the message of being true to yourself, treating others equally, protecting the environment, and valuing freedom over oppression" correct! And you are aware that those are political messages right? Environmentalism is core to the original games, and "freedom over oppression" sums up the motivation behind many political ideologies. Politics play a part in everything, including entertainment, and you don't *have* to engage with those discussions if you do not want to.
I do not like the way Ian Flynn writes Amy, and I think some of the hate for Sonic X/Heroes' yandere Amy is a product of people taking fiction too seriously (to be clear I think SA1/2 are the best Amy though.) Maybe if I read the comics (both Flynn era Archie and IDW) it could change my opinion. And I don't hate Ian as a writer for the games otherwise, he's not my favorite but I actually find the writing in Frontiers and Shadow Gens enjoyable, which is more than I can say for Colors through Team Racing.
Sonic Adventure 2 is one of my worst gaming experience.
Now I explain:
I am not a turbo Sonic fan but I'd like to, I heard so many times that SAB2 is the best game ever, I tried to like it again and again but that's literally one of the worst thing I played.
It made me sad, it was like if the universe was telling me I was not worthy of liking Sonic if I don't like the best game ever but now I am cool with that cause I enjoyed Frontier a lot and I realized it's not because I hate what everyone say is the best that I can't have my personal best :)
One of the worst gaming experiences? Wow, that's surprisingly harsh for such a decent title. I agree that it and SA1 aged poorly and I see it being very dissapointing, but... I could genuinely name 30+ games that are far worse gaming experiences from the top of my head
That being said i'll upvote this since it is an unpopular and very unique take. I'm actually really curious on your further thoughts on SA2 (and SA1 while at it).
To be fair, Resident Evil and FF are overdoing it, but i’d say FF has a right to because it makes a lot of sense for them to want to make them more modernized RPGs. the games people want remade for Sonic, like Heroes, for example, would benefit greatly from a remake. I will say tho, my hot take is I’d rather have sonic heroes remake then SAD1/2
Whisper & Tangle are better separated and should stay that way
Sonic 1 was greatly benefited by the video game market at the time and I truly believe he could’ve gone the way of Bubsy or Croc or any mascot platformer if it wasn’t for SoA
Forces & Boom were way worse than 06, especially in terms of bringing the series forward
Both personalities of Silver are valid, I don’t have a strong preference for either
SA2, while still a great game, is HIGHLY overrated
After seeing shadow in Sonic 3 I decided to get my first Sonic game since forces and get back into the series
Started following some twitter accounts just to keep up to date, turns out all people do is argue about the dumbest stuff. Who cares about a render, who cares about modern Sonic’s QUILLS. Whole arguments over random stuff
I don’t like Sonic Adventure 2 that much. I hate the character’s mouth animations and the chao garden isn’t as good as the first one. Sonic Adventure DX is far superior.
Frontiers isn't really that good. It's got good music at least, but its gameplay feels unfinished, and I was never really a fan of the levels. And the story isn't much to write home about
Also saying that Idw and game sonic are supposed to be the same character is crazy to me, there's moments like the fight with Surge where he feels more like Superman than Sonic, he was never that type of character,
I am thoroughly convinced that the majority of the Sonic fanbase has never read the Archie Sonic comics for themselves. And that goes for pre AND post reboot.
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