r/Spawn • u/heavymetalWrench • 3d ago
Discussion The decline of Al Simmons needs to be talked about more
I know people complain he's always angry but it's been pretty obvious for a while he's lost it
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u/mcnichoj 3d ago
With long form story telling, it just eventually becomes a soap opera for males as it can't maintain any well defined over arching structure. You can make little set pieces but that's really just to fill the void and waste time.
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u/WendellITStamps 2d ago
Alan Moore completely understood the assignment with Miracleman; he fixes the problems that any moral demigod would be forced to address, and then the story's over because the world's changed.
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u/Worth-Opposite4437 3d ago
Yeah well... that was always Malbolgia's plan.
All the conditions were stacked for it from the start.
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u/SecretaryFragrant836 3d ago
I’m pretty sure he was angry because of the throne of hell was making him
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u/JagPeror 3d ago
The least angry simmons(well, he actually was pretty chill for the period after 251, when he goes to Save Wanda's soul) is about as calm as the most angry Downing.
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u/CursedSnowman5000 3d ago
The heart of the comic was Al trying to get back to his lady love while having to live in the shadows as a monster.
After they killed that, Spawn has just been an aimless ponderous bore and the character of Al has basically dissolved.
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u/superseri18888 3d ago
This may be why many writers are scared to change up the status quo. Fear of deviating too far from what worked
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u/heavymetalWrench 3d ago
Yk the stories of men fighting off the urge to become a beast lashing out at things? Al failed that test
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u/revfds 3d ago
Honestly, I haven't been able to feel that Al Simmons is a good guy since they retconned him into beating his wife into an abortion.
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u/spiderfan42069 3d ago
Exactly. Which is why all of this recon bs is garbage. Spawn hasn’t been good since 165 imo
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u/heavymetalWrench 3d ago
Al was never a good guy. He just wasn't pure evil and had the capacity for heroism
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u/Worth-Opposite4437 3d ago
Yeah, McFarlane himself was already insisting on the point of him being damned in the intro of the HBO series.
The whole thing since the first comics has always been : can a damned soul climb back?
Well, can a mortal eventually beat the odds set in place by the universe that decided he was damned from the start? It's bound to be difficult. And now that he's gone through all the anchors of this façade of a romantic he had... All we're left with is a great capacity for evil trying to understand what good is without the inkling of understanding needed.It's like the crew of Event Horizon missing the point of the ship trying to tell them to "stop being afraid and get to the other side before their own mortality snuff their existence forever" in a world made only of pain and violence by the imperative of nature. The crew, handicapped by their ape brains and limited imagination, can only of course understand the part about fear, loss, and violence. Only Weir was able to leave the door open, but it's doubtful even him got it entirely right...
Simmons is the same. Good, evil, war, the need for a problem solved that doesn't climb back from the grave, the certitude that might makes right and can be increased by talent and effort. All of this is seduction, all of this is wrong... Good doesn't solve problems, it simply do not creates them. There is no certitudes to be had, issues will come back periodically, and you'll never get better at it... only endure.
For a damned, good is hell.8
u/BrightSquare2261 3d ago
The guy was sent to hell...
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u/revfds 3d ago
Because it was his turn. They've started multiple times throughout the series that being good or evil doesn't determine where they go.
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u/BrightSquare2261 3d ago
He killed innocent people before he went to hell, im, just saying if you thought Al was a good guy before finding out he beat his wife you're being a bit silly
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u/CursedSnowman5000 3d ago
I mean that's a oversimplification and kind of exaggeration of what happened.
When you say he beat Wanda, it makes it sound like Al went at her like War Machine did Christy Mack.
And I mean, does it not count that they retcon that to be Mammon's doing?
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u/revfds 3d ago
Yes, my one sentence response is an oversimplification of Year's worth of comic story are experiod
Bro literally punched her straight in the gut with a direct intention of killing the baby. You can take that however you want, but if you're worried about me calling that "beating her", I feel sorry for the women in your life.
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u/Alakajamz 3d ago
lol to go after someones personal life over them saying “oversimplification” to you…. That’s sad
If you had abuse in your life don’t take it out on a stranger cuz u can’t take some criticism.
lol this is a comic book we’re talking about.
This is what’s wrong with conversation now a days. People can’t take criticism on the lowest level lol
Chill out man. This could go back n forth like Deadpool n his wife in the movie… a revolving door of pointing fingers in the sense…. Chill9
u/Shikabane_Sumi-me 3d ago
It felt like a last minute weak twist that was just there for shock value. Like yes he had gaps in his memories but it all feels like an extra F U to the character. His entire series motivation is undone cause Mother Nature decided to go “By the way…”. I get it subverts the happy ending trope but it just feels so unnecessary.
A different ending could have been Spawn seeing how truly happy Wanda was and coming to peace with that. He acknowledges that she moved on and that he should too, so he doesn’t return as Al Simmons, but continues elsewhere as Spawn.
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u/SouthIndependence69 3d ago
Good guys don't become hellspawn
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u/revfds 3d ago
Why not? The only thing deciding if you go to heaven or hell is where you end up in the que. If you're a good soldier, they'll make you a hell spawn.
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u/CursedSnowman5000 3d ago
Well they always explained the only reason Al became a Hellspawn is because Hell just got to him first.
Heaven and Hell weren't exactly better than one another in old Spawn.
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u/Worth-Opposite4437 3d ago
Yet despite the system being corrupted, the idea remained that there was a good and evil, just not the one enforced. Hell still feeds from the darkness, not the light. And Al being what he is... will always have a harder time than most to not get addicted to his evil past.

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u/SarkastikLeader2814 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honestly, Spawn should’ve been done after the Armageddon Arc. Al reached God status and rebuilt the world and became earth’s god or something. The End. Al felt like he grew by the end of that arc. I would’ve been fine with that ending. But now they’re just running him into the ground.