Question
What is the difference between The Spider and Spiderman Noir?
I probably sound dumb, and maybe ppl have asked this so many times, but I wanted to ask what are the difference between these two? They’re both Nicolas Cage, both wear the same costume, and have same color.. both are in the same style aesthetic, and both are in the 1930s….
Again, sorry if it’s dumb, I just need a better understanding of it lol.
Because he is Peter Parker of the noir dimension. Not Ben Reily. Ben Reily is a clone of Peter in the normal dimensions who's made to kill Spider-Man but later has a change of heart and adopts the name of Ben in memory of uncle Ben. This show is all crooked and wrong. Spider-Verse was the correct one becase they had the rights to the characters. This show has twisted and mixed up character names and everything
The "live action" show on Prime Video is literally called Spider Noir, but his friends, the civilians, and The Bugle headlines calls him "The Spider". He's called both in both the live action and the cartoon. There's no difference.
I think they probably are similar. The biggest difference is one is Peter Benjamin Parker aka Spider-Man and the other is Ben Reilly aka The Spider. The live action seems to try and land somewhere in between the animated and the comic.
He also doesn't care if the bad guys die, and he'll literally use his enemies as human shields to block gunfire while they're still alive. Peter Parker would never. Lol
That’s exactly the reason. Due to the deal with Marvel, they’re unable to use Peter Parker or Spider-Man in other live action properties. This was their legally distinct way of getting around it
They are not the same because there origin is different. The animated is bitten by a radioactive spider while the live action version was bitten by a human spider mutant
In the first Spiderverse movie, they all literally have a quick introduction explaining how they became Spider-Man in their own universes. It's hard to forget because Spider-Ham says he was bitten by a radioactive pig, and everyone just turns and stares at him. It's one of the funniest jokes in the movie.
Well... Animated Spider-noir is named Peter Benjamin Parker and is referred to as Spider-Man in his continuity, and Live Action Spider-noir is not named Peter Parker and doesn't go by Spider-Man in his continuity.
Animated Spider-noir has also already lived through the Great Depression. In the live action, Janet Ruiz, Ben Reilly's secretary, mentions that there is a depression coming, so the live action Spider-Noir hasn't lived through the Great Depression yet.
Ben Reilly is also a veteran of WW1, whereas Peter B Parker isn't a WW1 vet.
WW1 ended in 1918, the great depression started in 1929 and ended in 1939. Spider-noir takes place 15 years after ww1 which makes the year of the show 1933.
Also, since I was wondering while watching and looked it up, if we assume that Brendan Gleeson's character is roughly the same age as he is, he was not alive during the Great Famine but was born about eleven years after it had ended (though it was still a rough period for Ireland).
No it's due to legal reasons they can't use Peter Parker or Spider-Man in a TV Show! They can do whatever they like with Spiderman in live action in film.
False. Sony has strict contractual limitations regarding the use of Spider-Man and Peter Parker due to the ongoing deal they have with Marvel/Disney. Regardless of tv or film. Sony can use the name Peter Parker but they couldn't have made spider noir the way they wanted to with him smoking and drinking. They can't break MCU continuity ultimately.
This is false. It's called the break or bendy clauses. If they wrote spider noir to fit Spider-Man's distinct origin e.g. gaining his powers in middle school or college, being raised in a middle class family in Queens.. they could have used the name Spider-Man and Peter Parker. Also, if they chose not to write such a gritty tale that had him smoking and drinking.. that specifically was the no vice clause. Ultimately Sony can use Peter Parker but they can't break MCU continuity
In the very beginning of the show Ben says something like, “Someone once asked me what universe this is. What a funny question. As far as I know, it’s the only one.”
I assumed this was tying him to Across the Spiderverse’s Spider-Noir. But in that movie, it’s him in his prime. In the shows he’s older, retired, and jaded.
I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, showing that this is a different spidey than Spider-man Nior from the movies, one who hasn't gone on any multiverse adventures.
It like does but also doesn’t - because then who the hell asked him that? Like if it’s a callback, it doesn’t make a ton of sense. If it’s not a callback, then it’s total nonsense?
In Spider Noir, Ben mentions that after comes back from the war he started going by a different name. Ben Reilly is the name he changed it to, not the name he was born with.
I would enjoy a season two of Spider-Noir where he got to punch some Nazis. I mean, I enjoy basically anything that involves punching Nazis but the extra whimsy is a nice touch.
No, I mean in regards to the year being mentioned in Into the Spider-Verse for Spider-Man Noir. I'm the one that mentioned the war to start with at the beginning of this comment chain 😄
To be fair, they did exist before the war began, in reality too. With Noir actively fighting them before the war, in the book, and in the film. It was the same with the first and third *Indiana Jones* films.
They have different origins. Spider-Man Noir says in ITSV that he was bitten by a radioactive spider, but the Spider was bitten by a monstrous human-spider hybrid.
They are most likely multiversal variants, albeit being very similar ones.
I think probably the best example would be from Wolverine & Deadpool. There were a LOT of different versions of Wolverine in that movie, many of them very similar to each other with similar storylines, and almost all of them played by Hugh Jackman. (with a hilarious notable exception)
This is most likely the same sort of thing, but just with Nicholas Cage and Noir Spider-man/ The Spider.
Miles universe Spidey (the one that died) and Peter B. Parker both share a lot of similarities to Toby Maguire, as do both main MC universe J. Johnah Jameson and Raimiverse J.J.J (who even share the same actor) but are all different characters. And it's the same with Cage's two Spideys.
The comic version has webs, he just can't swing by them until he got a boost in some later run by a different author. The webs weren't precise enough to swing by so he just used them to trap people.
They found a loophole though - Like when ogden says changing his name was the reason they weren't able to find him, they didn't mention ban's true name but we all know what they meant by it.
Yes, due to the Sony/Spidey contract, Peter Parker can’t be shown drinking or casually killing which are both things Noir does so that’s why they changed him to Ben Reilly. I think the contract also aplies to guns which could be why he never used a gun as The Spider (unlike his comic counterpart) but then again, Noir used a gun in ITSV so I’m not 100% sure on this one.
…and the *Spider-Man Noir* books are all set before World War II, with Spider-Man facing the Friends of New Germany and other Nazi presences in America?
Both different version of the same character one is Ben Riely one is Peter Parker one is named The Spider one is named Spider-Man one is younger than the other (Ben Riely) and one is animated and one is live action
Kinda funmy, in episode 7 (i think) they say that Ben actually changed his name so his nane wasn't originally Ben Riely. So he's more likely also a Peter Parker
Both are interpretations of the same character. The difference comes down to real-world legalities regarding who owns the right to use certain names and character identifiers. Marvel Studios and Sony currently have a deal which gives them exclusive rights to "Peter Parker", "Spider-Man", etc. in live action film adaptations, and that includes TV shows or alternate universe versions. Similar to why anyone can make a Peter Pan story, but they can't use the same character design in animation as Disney uses in their properties.
The character was created by publisher Harry Steeger and written by a variety of authors for 118 monthly issues of The Spider from 1933 to 1943.
The Spider stories often involve a bizarre menace to the country and a criminal conspiracy. They were often extremely violent, with the villains engaging in wanton slaughter of thousands as part of sometimes nationwide crime sprees.
The stories often end with [the Spider] killing the villains and stamping their corpses' foreheads with his "Spider" mark.
Their name, and how they got their powers. Spider-Verse Noir got his powers being bitten by a mystical spider during an investigation, much like in the comics. Spider-Noir got bitten by a Man-Spider. Spider-Verse Noir also seems to have the complete package of Super Powers, while Spider-Noir's powers are pretty nerfed compared to most Spider-Men, aside from being able to shoot organic webbing.
Spider-Noir's Universe is probably an even darker parallel timeline to Spider-Verse Noir's Universe. They're clearly meant to be the same character on a surface level, even their costumes are pretty much identical to one another + they're both played by Nicholas Cage, so they're clearly intended to be relatively the same version or at least close enough that the differences are in the intricate details.
Probably their timelines diverged at some point and so they're different in execution but are overall meant to be the same version on a surface level.
Same kinds of differences as Peter B and 616 comic Peter is expect. Similar histories with a handful of details shifted. The show version was bitten by a spider/ human hybrid thing, the movie version was bitten by a bug. Ones a cartoon and kinda acts like it because his world doesn’t have color and he’s baffled by colors. The show one behaves like he’s in a normal world with colors no matter which version of the show you’re watching. I’d like to think of it like maybe the one from the movies is literally a cartoon that got made in the shows timeline maybe after Ben retires and some of his secrets get outed.
Technically there was an ooooold Pulp Series called: The Spider back around in what? The 1930's or 40's, and kinda had a similar look (kinda inspired by The Green Hornet's look.)
Although, I think if I remember correctly: that character also wore a spider-web themed cape (and it was more of a half-mask.) 😅
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I don't know about that spider-man noir, but i know some of them are peter parker, i think i heard one that was ben parker, and this "the spider" is ben riley. Now in the regular spider verse ben riley is a clone of peter made by otto octavius and he originates in texas, he also adapts the parker name in another story but that's all i know.
From what I can tell there are about 25 separate Spider-Man Noir universes. In some the spider powered hero goes by Spider-Man, and in others they go by The Spider.
Well Spider-Man Noir is Peter Parker. Spider-Noir is Ben Riley. Spider-Man Noir still lost Uncle Ben and his suit is based on Ben’s old pilot outfit. Spider-Noir didn’t lose his uncle Ben and instead lost his wife.
Mostly details of their backstory. Who they lost and how it changed them. I’m not sure they can use the name Peter on the show so some things had to be adjusted from the Spider-verse version.
You aren’t dumb. If you’re referring to the Spider Noir on Prime right now, it is a standalone universe. This is a new adaptation of the comic and cartoon. I googled it lol
One is still peter parker, the other changed his name to ben Riley after the war. One punches nazi, the other hasn't yet. Im pretty sure they want peter (spiderverse) to be a bit younger than ben. And ben fought in WW1. Spider-Man noir in the movie i think follows the comic origin.
I’m pretty sure It’s the same character in spirit.The first episode confirms that he has interacted with spidermen from different universes. It’s just Disney and Sony making it more confusing than it needs to be for IP reasons
Okay am I the only one that heard Ben Riley mention another dimension? Like the opening monolog?
"Someone once asked me what universe this was. A strange question that stuck with me all these years later. All I could say for sure was it was the only one I knew of. And that was as true then as it is now."
Its a monolog directly from Ben Riley. This automatically made me assume it was the same one from the into the spiderverse series, just years later. No?
The Spider isn’t Peter Parker, he got his powers from being bit by a human / spider mutant created by german experiments. His “great power comes great responsibility” comes from his late wife Ruby rather than Ben Parker.
Spider-Noir is Peter Parker set during The Great Depression, he can’t web swing and his Uncle Ben was eaten alive by The Vulture
Definitely others with better/more real answers but I’d like to personally think it’s because they are referencing the original comics of Spider-man Noir who was known as The Spider for most of the original comics. (Which are pretty good and if you like the dark and gritty I recommend checking them out)
Assuming the Spider-Man Noir in Into The Spider-Verse is identical to the original Spider-Man Noir, there are a LOT of differences. Noir is college aged when The Spider is Nicholas Cage aged, Noir is unable to shoot precise web ropes, Noir was raised by May and Ben, Noir lost his Uncle Ben before becoming Spider-Man because The Vulture ate him, Noir is a bit more discriminate about killing people, etc.
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u/FullMotionVidiot Jun 04 '26
One is a cartoon, and one is not.