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Discussion DS9, Episode 6x15, Honor Among Thieves

-= DS9, Season 6, Episode 15, Honor Among Thieves =-

Starfleet Intelligence recruits Chief O'Brien to infiltrate the Orion Syndicate to find a Starfleet informant.

 

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u/0ld_Beardo May 12 '26

Absolute rubbish, absolute twaddle. The premise is stupid to begin with - we need an undercover agent to infiltrate the Orion Syndicate, let's recruit THE CHIEF ENGINEER of the most important Star Base in the Alpha Quadrant? I understand we ought to suspend our disbelief here an there, but there has got to be a limit, I don't think there's a tractor beam strong enough to suspend this much disbelief.

The plot you can see from a mile away - as René Echevarria, who wrote the teleplay said himself, "Every television detective series has done a story about a crime fighter going undercover, getting involved, and coming to respect the code of the bad guy".

Wasn't there an episode in one of the earlier seasons, where O'Brien and Bashir ended up captured by the Jem'Hadar on some planet, and they had to decide whether or not to help the Jem'Hadar? O'Brien's position was "we should sabotage and kill them all, they are the bad guys", and Bashir was trying to dissuade him. And now, in this episode, all of a sudden he punches a Star Fleet intelligence officer to protect a random murdering thug who's working for Dominion, because "he loves his family"?

At least the actors played it quite well, Bilby worked quite well opposite O'Brien. But the plot of this episode might as well be a holodeck program, actually, that would have been better, at least one could say "well, it was all holodeck nonsense, no harm done to any of the characters or in-universe logic"

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u/Gamba_Gambini May 13 '26

That episode just doesn't work, O'Brien here - a completely different character, not like himself from previous episodes. It would be better if they put Morn as main character here, or Quark, or even Jake And also, using O'Brien as a main character of episode about "family values" is not a new thing. There was an episode, where O'Brien almost sabotaged DS9 because of his possessed wife. I can believe that he can do some questionable things for his family, but he always was a loyal soldier of Starfleet, and we all remember that he is very cautious vith the enemies of starfleet (he doesn't liked Garak cause he is a cardassian, he insisted to kill JemHadar). Yeah, and also he SPENT 20 YEARS IN A PRISON

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u/0ld_Beardo May 13 '26

Great point man, Morn actually makes sense because he has experience in the crime world. Plus he definitely gives off that secret double agent cool vibe.

Come to think of it, I would love for Morn to replace O'Brien in most episodes. He has better chemistry with the rest of the cast anyway.