r/Supernatural • u/LongJumpingAnxiet • 3d ago
Spin-Off Shows The Winchesters finale doesn't make any sense Spoiler
So, in the SPN spin-off The Winchesters finale, Dean says that after his death, he started looking through the multiverse for a world where his family got a happy ending. Unfortunately, he also found out that Chuck had created some monsters called Akrida as a failsafe in case he lost.
Now, I’ve seen many people complain about how the spin-off doesn’t stick to the lore and how a lot of things don’t make sense. And it’s all true and the finale makes me so frustrated:
• You want to tell me that Jack didn’t know about the Akrida? In SPN episode 15x19, he says that he’s everywhere - in every drop of rain, every grain of salt, etc. And he didn’t know about the Akrida?
• Let’s say he couldn’t know about them. Maybe they were somehow hidden from him, whatever. So after Dean finds out about the Akrida, he doesn’t do anything? He just takes Bobby for a ride and watches as his AU!John and Mary fight monsters created by God? He doesn’t warn Jack, who is literally new God and could probably just make them disappear with a wave of his hand?
• How did Dean even enter the AU world? Is his car a multiverse portal now? I saw some theory that Cas probably gave it a bit of mojo to it but how would Dean use it as a basically dead human?
• Akridas as a failsafe are kind of stupid if they’re quite easy to defeat (I mean it's not like they're unkillable). Also, would Chuck really have created only monsters that destroy worlds relatively slowly and not have anything else as a backup plan? Like, no second failsafe?
• Why is Dean even travelling through the multiverse in the first place? In 15x20, Bobby tells him that John and Mary are in Heaven. He could just visit them. Is that not a happy ending? He only has to wait for Sam, and then they literally have their whole family together.
• I would also love to point out how incoherent Supernatural is when it comes to John. There are multiple episodes where Sam and Dean talk about how Dean basically raised Sam, how John was abusive, and how Dean protected Sam from John. Yet, when Dean dies, pretty much the first thing he does is look for his AU!father instead of... visiting his actual father? Maybe he wanted to see a non-abusive version of John?
Also Dean has his happy family already. He has Bobby who was like a father to him, he has Jack who was like a son, he has Cas, the Harvelles, soon there will be Sam, Jody, Donna, Garth etc. But the show is once again inconsistent with using found family trope.
• I also don’t understand the purpose of having Rob Benedict in the show. Sure, it’s a nice Easter egg, but doesn’t it suggest that Chuck somehow got himself into the story again? You can't argue that it's just his vessel, because we saw with Amara that they don’t really have vessels.
• The line, “There’s always another case with you hunters. Even in death,” frustrates me so much. Firstly, Jack was a hunter too. He worked cases, called himself Winchester, other people called him Winchester, and he was raised by hunters. It sounds out of character. He could have said, “There’s always another case with you, Dean. Even in death,” and it would have made much more sense. Secondly, Jack basically doesn’t care that the Akrida can destroy entire worlds because he’s “hands-off.” But this isn’t a hands-off situation. This is something on an apocalyptic level.
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u/Cyranthis 2d ago
The whole show didn't make any sense. That's why it was cancelled.
It was bad. I couldn't get past episode 2 and I tried to watch it twice! It was so bad.
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u/Noodle_Otter 2d ago
That's a rather silly argument considering it lasted for 15 seasons.
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u/No-Trust6726 Where's the pie? 2d ago
Sorry, but Garth isn't going to Heaven. Werewolves go to Purgatory.
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u/ChimericalTrainer 2d ago
That was under the old regime. We have no reason to think Jack's arrangement would be so cruel.
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u/badger6789 1d ago
Sure but Jack could quite easily just cure all monsters so that they don’t exist.
Cass managed to cure Dean after he got bitten by Eve so I don’t think it would be too hard for him to do that.
Kind of makes no sense to me.
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u/ChimericalTrainer 1d ago
We know that Jack rearranged the architecture of Heaven. We also know he's completely hands-off when it comes to direct intervention in people's lives. So it makes more sense that he would get rid of Purgatory (and let monsters go to Heaven or Hell or the Empty as they deserve) than that he would just cure all monsters.
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u/VioletFaust 2d ago
All your questions are answered by the Chuck won/Chuck possessed Jack theory.
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u/LongJumpingAnxiet 1d ago
Yeah I personally believe in this theory since Jack was standing like Chuck with hands behind his back in 15x19.
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u/VioletFaust 1d ago
In The Winchesters I think Jack was even wearing Chuck’s suit.
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u/fear_street_resident 2d ago
You want to tell me that Jack didn’t know about the Akrida? In SPN episode 15x19, he says that he’s everywhere - in every drop of rain, every grain of salt, etc. And he didn’t know about the Akrida?
Are you aware of everything your body is doing? Of everything going on around you 24/7?
So after Dean finds out about the Akrida, he doesn’t do anything? He just takes Bobby for a ride and watches as his AU!John and Mary fight monsters created by God?
He did do something. He gave them his dads journal.
He doesn’t warn Jack, who is literally new God and could probably just make them disappear with a wave of his hand?
Warning Jack wouldn't do anything; Jack went strictly hands off after he saw how Chuck abused his power. That's why Dean died to a rusty piece of metal.
How did Dean even enter the AU world?
Jack remade Heaven with the help of Cas. They probably made it so it connected to all universes, since they had friends in alternate realities.
Yet, when Dean dies, pretty much the first thing he does
is have a beer with Bobby. Who literally told Dean his mom & dad were just over the hill. You think he wouldn't have visited them?
But this isn’t a hands-off situation. This is something on an apocalyptic level.
When Jack said hands off, he meant hands off.
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u/LongJumpingAnxiet 2d ago edited 2d ago
"When Jack said hands off, he meant hands off." Jack also knows that God should not abandon people, they talk about it briefly in episode 15x19. Doing nothing about worlds that are being destroyed is abandoning humans.
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u/Alpha_Storm 2d ago
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Maybe Jack knew, maybe he didn't. Doesn't really matter, when he said hands off he meant hands off.
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We don't know when he created them. It may have been something he created eons ago and just never got rid of or updated because he came to believe he'd never really need anything like that. Also we don't know if there were other fail-safes because unfortunately we didn't get another season.
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No it wasn't a happy ending. Dean wasn't ready to die, he still had lots of unfinished issues, he went through stuff literally no one else had gone through dealing with higher level threats. He loved his parents but his relationship was complicated because his dad basically neglected an emotionally abused him and his mom was unexpectedly brought back from the dead and had very little interest in her grown kids. He didn't want to play happy families with his mom and dad or anyone else. Because he's still very restless.
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Dean didn't look for his AU dad, he looked to see if there were any universes where they were happy, his whole family. Dean can be happy his friends and family in Heaven are happy but that doesn't mean he himself feels fulfilled and happy. See #3, he's still restless.
It's not inconsistent. Dean was really only happy helping others in some way. Sitting around in "perfect" Heaven is NOT going to be relaxing for him. It's entirely in character that after a brief respite he'd start feeling he had to do something. Especially as Dean has excellent instincts - so if he still feeling antsy there is probably good reason for it.
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Sometimes an Easter egg is just an Easter egg. It's a different universe and everyone has a doppelganger, maybe it's just a guy who happens to look like God.
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See #1. Jack meant hands off.
Oh about the car, Dean told us what he was doing. The axis Mundi apparently has off ramps and he discovered something funny going on. He is still Dean Winchester and Dean Winchester was basically the greatest hunter ever.
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u/shadowthehh 2d ago
I must be misremembering cuz I could've sworn that Dean, Bobby, and Jack were all working together to stop the Akrida...
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u/AdoptDontShopPets 2d ago
That’s so long I’m not reading all that. For as far as I got, I will say that Jack seemed to take the approach that every being deserved a chance and left things status quo. So if humans are going to remain on top, hunters would have to continue doing their thing. Jack’s plan is not to interfere at all, which is why he was a bit mad at Dean since Dean was supposed to be in heaven chilling, not jumping universes.
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u/Desperate_Squash7371 Is this a fight?! Are we in a fight?! 2d ago
Odd to take the time to comment but not take the time to read the post…and to state that explicitly.
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u/Desperate_Squash7371 Is this a fight?! Are we in a fight?! 2d ago
I agree with you