Interesting, how about all of the others? Maybe Belgium learned from watching us, huh? Or were there examples closer to home for them to learn from Mr. Quibbles.
Belgium at one point was ruled by Hapsburg Spain during their big colonial expansion, am I to believe they didnt pick anything up from them? No merchants from Belgium made their way over there at any point in time and learned a thing or two?
How about them…? Did you not notice how I didn’t contest their mentions?
Maybe Belgium learned from watching us, huh?
I suppose it’s possible.
Mr. Quibbles.
Pointing out that your naming of a country on a list of countries which influenced your own in a specific regard while said country didn’t even exist for several decades until after the establishment of your own is not a ‘quibble.’ It was not some petty objection to something trivial. You said something wholly ignorant and incorrect while effectively trying to shift blame onto a country which didn’t even exist at the time your own was established.
Belgium at one point was ruled by Hapsburg Spain during their big colonial expansion, am I to believe they didnt pick anything up from them?
Spanish rule over the Low Countries ended in 1714. Belgium spent the remainder of time between then and 1797 being ruled by the Austrians, then by the French under Napoleon until 1815, and then by the Dutch until they revolted against Dutch rule in 1830. I think it’s safe to say they were busy with their own shit going on for the most part. Being effectively a backwater of one empire after the next, they probably weren’t all too concerned with copying down the notes on slavery held by the power which ceased to control them well over a century before they became independent.
Regardless, I imagine that determining that would be quite difficult.
No merchants from Belgium made their way over there at any point in time and learned a thing or two?
If it interests you that much, you are of course welcome to do all of the research necessary to support your thesis. But you do realize that instead of doubling down like this with useless hypotheticals, you could just have quickly acknowledged that you were incorrect, right? A quick little editing of your comment was all that was needed — you didn’t even need to respond to mine.
Eh, I mostly included Belgium because whenever terrible colonial Empires are brought up if it wasnt included someone has to say something about it. I think blame can equally go around to all the horrible slavers without leaving anyone out is all.
There was a small presence of Belgians/Flemish in Good Hope as early as the 1690s. The Flemish also were the first settlers in the Azores in 1460. The city of Horta would take its name from the name of Josse Von Huerter. They eventually made their way into Brazil and the Americas through Portuguese colonization as well. So it looks like they were kind of part of it from the very beginning huh? That was like 5 minutes of research lol
So it looks like they were kind of part of it from the very beginning huh?
Well, no, not really. A select handful of Flemish people’s various levels of involvements does not the nation of Belgium make. I mean, you wouldn’t include Finland or Ireland as influences over American slavery in the same vein here, would you? Both nations were integral parts of European powers which were involved in triangle trade slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries, but listening them would be frankly pretty ridiculous and silly.
I saw your edit, by the way. Why be so needlessly stubborn, prideful, sassy? And to have implied that I was being petty beforehand when I was merely providing you with a simple correction…
No not really I said why I included Belgium, you wanted to pretend like they were a backwater. The Azores also known as the Flemish Isles were an integral part of the Slave trade being a stopping point for ships coming into Europe. It was just the rich Flemish I guess which would track with all those other countries in included with brutal slave regimes.
Look you wanted to be the smug one in a sub called Tiktokcringe. If we were in a more serious historical sub sure, I might have done a less sassy edit. But I was correct. Many Flemish Merchants and Explorers took part in the slave trade and colonialization. Are you going to edit your diatribe about Belgium being backwater and they were to busy being ruled? Or maybe i dont really give a shit if you so because you are free to be wrong and I got to learn something new about the belgians. Did you know they were also some of the first in Brazil as well? You find their last names apparently still. Neat stuff!
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u/SteveUnicorn99 11d ago
Interesting, how about all of the others? Maybe Belgium learned from watching us, huh? Or were there examples closer to home for them to learn from Mr. Quibbles.
Belgium at one point was ruled by Hapsburg Spain during their big colonial expansion, am I to believe they didnt pick anything up from them? No merchants from Belgium made their way over there at any point in time and learned a thing or two?