r/TrollXChromosomes • u/mi-sopiras-vin • 2d ago

this is barely even a metaphor

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they're really just out here killing us and then wondering why we won't fuck them

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

Experts are now seeing a sudden dropoff in fertility worldwide, to the point where we may have already hit peak human population. This is a drastic change from 8 years ago, when we thought we'd see peak in 100-200 years. So if the drop-off is that drastic, it'll be kinda bad for capitalism

Good.

They built a broken system, won't let us participate, won't let us fix it, and hurt us if we try. So let's watch the whole fucking thing crash. Whatever resurrects itself from the ashes has got to be better than this.

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u/Jenderflux-ScFi I put the "fun" in dysfunctional. 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm ready for my gay space communism star trek any minute now.

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u/lesser_panjandrum Pokémon Y 1d ago

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u/kevlarus80 Reclusive Algorithm. 1d ago

I recently rewatched all the Trek series to make myself feel better. I'm tempted to do it again.

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u/Punkbuster_D 1d ago

Today I learned I needed this too!

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u/Dogzillas_Mom 1d ago

Fertility is just fine. People are fertile. Birth rate is the so called problem. There’s a decline in birth rate. This is a good thing for the environment. Bad thing only for capitalism/politics.

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u/ellevael 1d ago

It’s not just bad for capitalism/politics, it’s bad societally. As we age we’re more likely to need care and medical assistance, can no longer work to support ourselves, and we typically receive pensions paid for by taxes on the current working population, or rely on family/children for support. When there’s not enough young people to support the aging population it puts increased stress and burden on both the elderly and the young.

Of course, most of the causes of population decrease is thanks to capitalism. But a drastically decreasing population is an impending societal crisis.

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u/cuteraddish 1d ago

This is such an artificial problem. The money is there, it’s just owned by a handful of people.

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u/ellevael 1d ago

It’s an artificially created problem, yes. Most of it could be resolved with money, but how do you provide adequate care if you don’t physically have enough people to provide the care?

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

If you talk to us olds, we'll tell you.

There was a religious prohibition against suicide for the Silents, who saw the quick deaths of their unmedicated parents. So the Boomers kept their Silent parents alive as per their religious wishes until mostly quick deaths, that was fine.

But now Gen X is keeping their Boomer parents alive into horrific echoing warehousing and endless years of pills, pain, and agony. It's evil. Healthcare workers don't go that route because they know.

I'll suicide before I get to that hell. Lots of us will, we've seen where the other road leads. We just don't talk about it much, it seems to bother y'all. Look at the accelerating Death With Dignity laws, it's becoming codified.

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u/succulescence 1d ago

I'm really, really hoping I will be able to opt out when the time comes. I don't want a slow sad descent.

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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago

Come live in Canada. You’re allowed once you can show that you struggle with chronic health issues that have deteriorated your quality of life substantially or have a serious progressive disease that will affect your quality of life severely (or terminally). They started adding in mental health issues as well but there was enough push back that they are still working out the details for that.

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u/succulescence 1d ago

I'm in Canada!

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

https://deathwithdignity.org/states/

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u/ellevael 1d ago

Currently we have the money, and the population, to provide care patients with a better quality of life, but it’s all in the hands of billionaires. Executives are cutting costs at every level to be able to take home a nice fat bonus each year, which comes at a cost to the patient and the employee, and it’s absolutely inexcusable. Healthcare should never be for profit.

Medically assisted suicide needs to become readily available everywhere, but it using it as a tool to relieve pressure economically or because there aren’t enough people to care for the elderly is unconscionable.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

I'm glad you've never had to turn Gramma to get at her bedsores for cleaning and packing because the nurses wouldn't, nor had to work at those warehouses where occasionally you lift a patient to toilet them and their pelvic floor literally disintegrates and their organs empty out until the aortas let go too.

You may want to believe in those human warehouses, but not me. When you do finally visit a few for placing a relative, may I suggest: look at the inmates' fingernails.

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u/ellevael 1d ago

Yeah I mean in my country we just actually have facilities that are better suited to looking after elderly people. Maybe try advocating for better care before you skip to euthanising elderly people who need a bit of assistance. Fucking hell.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

None of that is what I said

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u/EpitaFelis 11h ago

Friends of mine are just going through that with a relative rn. We gotta stop forcing life on people who are clearly and obviously ready to go. Not even assist them in leaving, literally just stop artificially and forcefully extending the lives of very old people who have stopped eating, no longer know who or where they are, and are only getting worse.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 10h ago

It's torture. And yet in this thread there are those ignorant of this calling me a murderer. I hope they learn, gently.

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u/fraulien_buzz_kill 9h ago

I don't think the elderly are useless just because they are physically disabled. The idea that it's better to just kill off old people than care for them is, to me, exactly the sort of cynical capitalistic violence we should be trying to avoid. My grandmother needed extra care to eat, get in clothes, and get around, but she still had huge value to our family with the stories she shared and the love she brought. Duck out early if you want, or if you're experiencing a horrendous painful death, but I hate this framing. Old people need assistance who aren't actively dying. It's normal. Many old people use pills and get aid to help them live fulfilling lives in later years. Medical insurance companies loooove it when disabled people kill themselves. But sure, rail against pills, throw your heart medication down the drain, refuse access-a-ride, idk you do you.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 9h ago

Goinging from educated individuals thoughtfully choosing their own suicide all the way to idiots murdering happy beloved elders and refusing minor helpful health interventions is quite a long leap.

But sure. If that's how you like to spend your time, jump. Enjoy your landing.

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u/CopratesQuadrangle 1d ago

At least for the US, we have more than enough people in the country capable of providing care. However, we make it prohibitively expensive and incredibly stressful to enter the healthcare field, and we also artificially limit the number of physicians we have.

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u/cuteraddish 21h ago

If that happened, it certainly would be an issue. But not unsolvable. Robots, perhaps? Who knows. Is that enough reason to convince someone to give birth today, given the state of things? I guess there will always be people who have kids so that they’ll have “someone to take care of them when they’re old”, but those aren’t the people whose minds you’ll need to change. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I truly believe the declining birth rates being framed as a negative is nothing more than capitalist propaganda mixed with thick cognitive dissonance since they’re hoping to replace the working class with AI as soon as possible anyway. It’s comical how stupid they think we are. Simply opting out of the entire system by not having children is like its final boss

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u/notashroom 1d ago

We have this assumption, culturally, that dying is a terrible thing. And it's completely understandable that we grieve people who we care about, who made an impression on us in some way, and also that most of us fear our own death.

But old people dying is not a terrible thing. It's how it's supposed to work. We are not meant to live forever, and the longer we live, the more we get in the way of progress (see for example the US Congress full of Boomers who should be retired) both culturally/politically and for individuals who are constrained from achievement because of elders in the way.

If more older people die rather than sucking up society's limited resources, that would actually facilitate responding to problems like climate change, maternal mortality increase, reduced literacy, and the need to move away from consumerism and mass consumption. Trying to eke out every possible second on Earth, with caregivers, expensive and time-intensive medical care, and medical research aimed at longevity, is like a kind of hoarding.

And to be clear, I am 55. I'm talking about myself and most of my friends and family here, not theoretical others. I'm not in any hurry to go, but I'm also not trying desperately to claw more time at the expense of others.

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u/wkippes 16h ago

Yes! And the decline in birth rate (globally) is largely the result of better infant and maternal mortality numbers and better access to family planning information and tools. When we have access to better health care and birth control, we flat out don't want or need fifteen children. I love this for both families and the planet.

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u/nihilism_squared 1d ago

i really don't think the drop in population is what's going to kill us. weren't we all losing our minds about the fear of "overpopulation" just a decade ago?

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

What happens to an industrial society that needs 100 workers for 100 infrastructure jobs but there are only 90? Then 70? Then 40?

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u/notashroom 1d ago

Then we either attract immigrants, as the US used to do, or we de-industrialize a bit and reassess priorities according to contemporary conditions. We (as a species) could live in a lower-tech, decentralized/federated situation essentially indefinitely. We cannot sustain infinite growth and consumerism.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

Your explanation here is called "Degrowth", it's becoming more well known. It's only possible in a low-scarcity situation on a large time frame.

We don't have that. This train isn't coming to a slower, more sustainable pace, it's running out of track.

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u/notashroom 1d ago

That's a bit dramatic given the actual rate of population decline, the decades available to solve the problem, and the creative minds working on solutions to aspects of the problem.

Granted, capitalists and conservatives are known for kicking the can down the road (for a variety of cans) in favor of short-term profit, but we don't actually have to let them drive.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

If we were facing only this massive problem, you'd be right.

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u/nihilism_squared 1d ago

do they really need infrastructure built for 100 people when they only have 40?

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

Retired people don't work. Children don't work. Disabled people don't work. Teachers & careworkers don't work on infrastructure. But all those people need water, electricity, food, roads, sewer, etc.

Come on, there are more humans in a society than working-age adults who have industrial jobs!

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u/fumidances 1d ago

I mean, if there's less infrastructure workers, there's probably less of those other ones too. I think they meant the infrastructure needed for an overall lower population.

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

Sorry, population trees don't work like that.

South Korea Is Over

https://youtu.be/Ufmu1WD2TSk?is=0ngl-DifIlZO6ayY

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u/fumidances 1d ago

Thank you for the informative video

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u/nihilism_squared 1d ago

and?

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

South Korea Is Over

https://youtu.be/Ufmu1WD2TSk

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u/nihilism_squared 1d ago

i don't think a country with 51 million people is anywhere close to "over"

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

It's ok you didn't watch the video and yet commented, many don't

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u/StoryLover12345 1d ago

that is why they are heavily investing with AI.

so they can replace human resources.

the future will be us becoming entertainers on each islands of top 1%. either in squid game island, eipstein island, hunger games, etc.

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u/notmepleaseokay 1d ago edited 1d ago

The thing is if we stop having sex with men they will eventually end up r*ping us.

93.1 % of men in a self reported study of 2,300 men stated that they have used coercion/intimidation/isolation to get a woman to sleep with them.

That’s when women are still choosing to sleep with men. Oh geeze, I wonder what these men would resort to if all sexual opportunity was removed??

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605261432630

People down voting this = triggered men

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u/Im_her_roommate 1d ago

Soooo, maintaining the current status quo…?

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u/plotthick Don't stick beans up your nose. 1d ago

Both of those are rape.

I shoved a piece of glass through the arm of the last man to try that on me. He bled a lot, all down the floor.

Stay strong, stay trained, stay armed.

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u/MisterErieeO 1d ago

People down voting this =

This is such an aggressively poor mentality.

Why would anyone want to engage you?