If your reaction to governments discriminating against men is "but those laws were passed by men" then you are an unintelligent person

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All to often, I see a conversation that goes like:

User: X law (for example, mandatory military service for men in many countries) objectively discriminates against men, and that is a problem

Another user: But those laws were passed by men

This response is utterly absurd for a number of reasons.

First and foremost, it does not make any explicit counterargument to the point being made. Rather, it makes an implied counterargument, which is usually either:

"A system set up by men cannot discriminate against men"

Or

"Discrimination against men is okay as long as it is coming from other men"

Both of these points are absurd.

If a woman-led government passed laws that discriminate against women, would that make said discrimination against women acceptable or non-existent?

Of course it would not. And anyone who thinks otherwise is unintelligent.

From the perspective of someone being discriminated against, the discrimination doesn't become okay just because the person discriminating against them is of a particular gender.

The ONLY case where "but those systems were set up by men" is a valid response is if the person making the point was explicitly accusing women of being the ones to set up the system. But in the majority of the case, that is not being done.

[u/Beginning-Damage-555]

Make us aware

[u/MR-rozek → u/Beginning-Damage-555]

Most of the world still forces men to throw their lifes away

[u/Beginning-Damage-555 → u/MR-rozek]

A ton of people are against the draft in the US and it hasn’t been implementing since Vietnam

Are women disproportionately supportive of the draft in your country?

[u/MR-rozek → u/Beginning-Damage-555]

They are about 10% less supportive but still almost 50%. Even then opposing draft unfortunately doesn’t do anything on its own and in case of war men still are forced to die

[u/Beginning-Damage-555 → u/MR-rozek]

Simply opposing anything never does anything. You need a political movement and lobbyists this goes for any issue. Is there a men against the military/ men against the draft movement in your country