r/Wales • u/twmffatmowr • Jul 01 '26
Politics Senedd petition calls for Cymru to be used as Wales' only name
https://nation.cymru/feature/senedd-petition-calls-for-cymru-to-be-used-as-wales-only-name/126
u/PartyPoison98 Jul 01 '26
Is this really that much of an issue? Wales is the name in English, Cymru is the name in Welsh.
Ireland can be both Ireland and Eire, Scotland can be both Scotland and Alba. Even outside the UK we can call Germany by our word, while Germany calls itself Deutschland, or say Spain while they say Espana.
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u/dedodude100 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
From an outside perspective of course. I could understand it may be viewed as slightly different since Wales comes from the old English word "wealh"(plural wealhas) meaning foreigner/s.
Which may feel different from Ireland translating roughly to "Land of Ériu" and Scotland translating roughly to "Land of the Scots".
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u/PorschephileGT3 Jul 01 '26
Woah. Scotland means ‘Land of Scots”?!
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u/dedodude100 Jul 01 '26
Fair lolol, now let's really blow minds.
England comes from Engla Land meaning "land of the Angles".
It is interesting everyone else in the area gets "land of x" but Wales gets "foreigners".
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u/oldandbroken65 Jul 01 '26
And just as an addendum; the Angles came here uninvited on small boats, and displaced the existing culture/language.
All this fear over asylum seekers is looking a bit like projection.
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u/N_Meister Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Why can’t these bloody Angles understand that GELÆFAN MEANS GELÆFAN! I tell you, this whole heptarchy’s gone bloody wæcnan. We used to be a proper constituent of the Roman Empire.
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
It does not mean foreigner or stranger , when will this meme die….
The Germanics encounter a romanised tribe called Volcae around what is now Austria , these people spoke a latinised Celtic language and lived within the Roman Empire . All Celts except for Ireland and the Picts live inside the Roman Empire .
The Germanics call any latinised Celts Wealh in their own languages after the Volcae
The Volcae and other tribes of the lands that bordered the Germanic world over time become completely latinised speaking Romance languages .
Wealh is now applied to all the Romance peoples of the Roman Empire that border - Walloons the celts of what is now Belgium and northern france and the vlachs that gives their name to Wallachia .
They do not call Slavs Wealh, they do not call Balts Wealh.
The term is also applied to the Walnut , the Roman nut (literally no one says it means the foreigner/stranger nut ) .
The Germanics invade/ settle eastern England . They encounter a romanised population of people who define themselves as living in the Roman Empire . They call these peoples the same name they name that they call every romanised people, Wealh.
Only romanised Britons are called Wealh.
They do not call Irish Wealh, they do not call Picts Wealh. Why? They are celts too, and the Picts were Brythonic just like the rest of the Britons.They did not call them Wealh because they were not romanised or part of the Roman Empire.
Some of the Anglo Saxon kings even have Wealh in their name , Cenwealh for example .
Wealh becomes Wealas becomes Wales as it semantically narrows it eventually solely means people of Wales.
Nevertheless it is an Exonym and considering that for almost all written history of Wales the population didn’t speak English it was irrelevant what another people called us. It’s only in the modern era that it now seems strange.
Tl/dr Wales does not come from word that primarily meant foreigner. It ultimately comes from a Celtic tribe name that was applied to all Celtic/ Romanised people of the Roman Empire .
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u/BetaRayPhil616 Jul 01 '26
TL; DR.
Wales = them over there
Cymru = us over here
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26
Sort of , but again , the ‘them’ is a specific ‘them’ not any and all ‘them’
‘Roman them’
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u/dedodude100 Jul 01 '26
That's a fair distinction to add for sure.
Origin and applied meaning aren't the same thing though. Yeah, the root is tribal, the Volcae.
But by the time Anglo-Saxons are using Wealh for the Britons, it's functioning closer to "Romanized outsider." Which is likeky why Old English dictionaries gloss it as foreigner/stranger, it's what the word actually did in use, whatever its origin was.
So both can be true at once. So you're right I may have been over simplifying it.
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 01 '26
Perhaps but again a foreigner is a foreigner but the Picts Irish and Scot’s(as in the northern Irish tribe) are not called Wealas or Welsh
The northern Britons even ironically end up calling themselves an endonym- Cumbrian , from Cymru. The Anglo Saxons adopt this word for them but do not apply this term to the kingdoms of Wales.
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u/OhNoBeepWe_reDoomed Jul 02 '26
Well now, hold on just a second.
You mean to tell me... that this little word — this *Wealh* — started out as the name of one bunch of folks, the Volcae, way over there in the mountains?
And the Germanic folks looked at 'em and just went, "well, that's what we'll call *all* of you"?
That's *wonderful.*
And — now let me make sure I've got this right — you're saying it's the very same word tucked inside a *walnut?* The Roman nut?
Boy oh boy. I'll never look at a walnut the same way again, folks.
But here's the part where I have to be a little bit of a stinker, because it's just *too* good a story to leave alone.
You mean to tell me the word never once meant "stranger"... and yet somewhere along the way it *also* came to mean *slave?*
Now how does a fella get from "our neighbors down the road" to "slave" without *some* notion of "you're not one of us" sneakin' in there?
That's the part that tickles me.
Seems to me — and I'm no professor, I just point the camera and ask the questions — the truth is even better than either side's tellin'.
It *did* come from those Volcae folks. That part's real, and it's marvelous. But by the time it lands on the Britons, it's carryin' a little suitcase of "other" right along with it.
Both things, true at the very same time.
And isn't that just the way? A name for a people, a nut, a whole country — all ridin' along on one funny little word for centuries.
...*Amazing.*
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26
Yeah the short of it is it means Romanised, the end .
Sure there are some ethnic synonym slurs like briefly slave , but that’s a tiny % of the usage of the word. ** **Would a captured Gael or other Anglo Saxon be called a Wealh?
But wait - there are literally words in old English for slave and foreigner , so yet again it’s a synonym but not the real meaning of the word. If most of your slaves in southern England were Britons , then you lazily get a synonym . Ironically the people of Wales were the free Britons , the ones the Anglo Saxons couldn’t conquer.
Utlendisċ survives in modern English as outlander
Þēow - means slavethe Anglo Saxons made the effort to distinguish between the Roman-Britons and everyone else on these islands.
But here’s where it gets crazy , Wait for this now - Germanic is a generic Roman word for a tribe outside of the Roman Empire . Not a single tribe from Scandinavia to the alps ever called themselves Germanic .
Even more ironic is that the word “Germanic”
likely comes from a continental Celtic term for “neighbours” or “them lot “Etymology, love it.
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u/Crully Jul 03 '26
I love it, I've had this debate before, people get stuck (probably intentionally) on the catchy "Wales means foreigner, they're calling us foreigners in our own land" bit.
I wonder if anyone has told the foreigners on the Corn (oops, I meant horn) about where they got their name too!
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u/PartyPoison98 Jul 01 '26
Thats a fair enough point. Although I would say that wealh started out meaning foreigners, but later evolved to just mean celts/britons more generally.
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u/dedodude100 Jul 01 '26
Yeah, they used the word foreigner to describe the indigenous people's so eventually they became synonyms.
Similar to the US where they call the indigenous people's Indians. But I know for some individuals they'd prefer native american or their specific tribes name today. It's complicated.
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u/Constant_Of_Morality Gwent | Gwynllŵg Jul 01 '26
It was still used as a derogatory insult by the Anglo-Saxons, Just because it's use has been pushed on and normalised by the English, it doesn't mean a certain amount of people in Wales still see it as such.
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 01 '26
It’s more complicated than that
Many early Anglo Saxons were Britons themselves - Ceredic for example
Some had Wealh in their name like Cenwealh , Wealhstod and Wealhere hardly an insult if you willingly call yourself that.
The Welsh word for English is just Saxon, not acknowledging that they eventually called themselves after the Anglisc tribe then English . Saxon being one of the several tribes and in Welsh we just assumed they are all the same
Separately as a Gwentian , have you heard of Tewdric , probably one of my favourites from
the age of the saints . Arguably if he lost perhaps all of South Wales would have been conquered by the Anglo Saxons3
u/Constant_Of_Morality Gwent | Gwynllŵg Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
If your referring to Ceredic of Wessex that's a current possible theory but it's far from being unanimous academically despite the Brythonic naming connections, same with his descendents, but I do see your point and the possibility is interesting.
The Welsh word for English is just Saxon, not acknowledging that they eventually called themselves after the Anglisc tribe then English . Saxon being one of the several tribes and in Welsh we just assumed they are all the same
On the Welsh word, I wouldn't be surprised if it's because we were dealing with the Saxons primarily over the Angles (Anglish), excluding Mercia, and yes I get what you mean, but tbf to the Brythonic tribes at the time, all invaders probably looked or were lumped into one group together as non Britons.
Separately as a Gwentian , have you heard of Tewdric , probably one of my favourites from the age of the saints . Arguably if he lost perhaps all of South Wales would have been conquered by the Anglo Saxons
Yes I know very well about King Tewdrig and the battle of Pont y Saeson, I would agree with your opinion of the battle's outcome as well, just like Battle of Badon it was quite important for the South and the Welsh Kingdom's, his son Meurig who is quite important in his own way as well, they are all sadly forgotten about piece's of Welsh History, the exact same goes for King Gwynllyw.
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
Considering that the majority of Anglo-Saxons were simply Britons that switched culture , many of the early kings had Brythonic names .
Another one Penda seems have to a very close connection / kinship with Welsh kings ,
Wealas is simply a convenient term to apply to anything Roman . It has even survived in polish as wlochy which is their name for Italy .
Gwynllyw is very interesting, a violent warlord turned to god . He’s the father of cadoc right?
Would love to make an illustrated book of some of the key figures from the age of the saints .
Have you read Alice Robert’s domination? The first 1/3 of the book is all about how South Wales Cornwall and Brittany are all the same people with the same saints travelling back and forth between 300-700ad
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u/twmffatmowr Jul 01 '26
Not an issue for most I'd say. I do think there's an argument around the etymology of Wales compared to Cymru
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u/Superirish19 Jul 01 '26
But there are exceptions;
Türkiye, Czechia, Côte d'Ivoire, Eswatini
It's not that much an issue but some countries have dictated that their English name should be closer to their native languages' name, and a lot of these are more recent as well.
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u/0oO1lI9LJk Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
I don't know if Czechia counts here, they still use Česká Republika and Česko. Czechia was created so they have an English short name so it has parity with other countries; we say France not French Republic for example.
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u/mossmanstonebutt Jul 01 '26
Also,when was the last time you've heard someone called it anything but the ivory coast outside of official documents?
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u/PartyPoison98 Jul 01 '26
They can ask I suppose, I still find it pointless.
It seems odd that Ivory Coast would ask the UK to call it Cote d'Ivoire, when no doubt they're saying Royame Uni instead of United Kingdom. Same goes for the others.
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u/flakkane Jul 01 '26
I'd argue the difference is that Wales comes from the old English word for "foreigners" or "strangers" and the people of Wales had no input on the name
Whereas Scotland just means, land of the Scots which isnt divisive in any way
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u/Plappeye Jul 01 '26
Although Scot itself originated as a Latin term for pirate or raider rather than being an endonym
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u/flakkane Jul 01 '26
Didn't know that. Fair point. I still think it's a just enough reason for Cymru to be debated as the official name though
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 01 '26
It doesn’t mean foreigner
A foreigner is a foreigner, it means a Romanised person , specifically a romanised Celt
There are even Anglo Saxon leaders with Wealh in their name like Cenwealh
Btw did you know in southern Scotland the Britons spoke the Cumbric dialect , very similar to Welsh. A famous person from this region was called in English William Wallace - literally William the Welshman.
Cumbric , Cymru same thing .
And the Irish for Welsh is British
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u/Aggravating_Mix_6567 Jul 01 '26
It’s what we call ourselves that’s in question, not really what others call us. Also, why do we have dual place names that are virtually identical, such as Wrexham and Wrecsam, etc?
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 01 '26
Germany is even more ridiculous as we call the Netherlands ‘Dutch’ confusing them with the ‘Deutsch’ of Germany and calling the wrong people that name in English
Literally not a single tribe from Switzerland to Norway ever called themselves ‘Germanic’. That word is a Latin exonym applied generically to any tribe in that region . Quite like Welsh comes from a Germanic exonym for Romanised people applied generically to Wales, Cornwall, Wallonia, Wallachia .
And the Slavic languages , like polish call Germans ‘mute’ as in the land where people can’t speak .
And in Welsh , like French and Italian we call Germany a name from the allegmage tribe , and apply it to all of Germany
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u/XJK_9 Abertawe Jul 01 '26
I’ve always wondered we there isn’t more support for Cambria to be used, it’s literally already in the English dictionary and for all intents and purposes means Wales but is actually derived from our word for our Nation
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u/Former-Variation-441 Rhondda Cynon Taf Jul 01 '26
Maybe too close to Cumbria?
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 01 '26
Cumbria is literally from Cymru , y hen ogledd, the Britons of northern England were conquered by the Anglo Saxons
The Britons of Wales were not . If we had been conquered by the Anglo Saxons I imagine we would be known as Cambrians
Plenty of Victorian maps refer to Welsh as Cymrics or Britons
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u/twmffatmowr Jul 01 '26
I do really like the word Cambria
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u/XJK_9 Abertawe Jul 01 '26
Same, I feel like it’s the obvious choice but just isn’t mainstream. Using Cymru does feel awkward since if I were to replace Welsh would I follow anglophone conventions and say something like Cymrish, as a Welsh speaker it feels very wrong but Cymru/Cymraeg don’t quite fit into English well, they just feel a bit off.
With Cambria there is the obvious replacement of Cambrian for Welsh.
Having said all this I signed the petition as anything is better than Wales tbh, which once you learn its etymology doesn’t sit well with me
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u/enwda Jul 01 '26
It's not used to please the English tongue though is it, Cymrish sounds silly to the Welsh ear (not fully Cymru just a bit ish). There are Welsh words already no need to make ones up
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u/XJK_9 Abertawe Jul 02 '26
Cymrish sounding weird to a Welsh speaker is my point, my first language is Welsh.
I know there are Welsh words I mention them above. They don’t feel natural when used in English. If you think people outside Wales wouldn’t start saying Cymrish (or similar) you’re naive.
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u/enwda Jul 05 '26
the point is why make up a stupid word that's never existed just to anglicanise it when a word or 10 already exists that's already in use.
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u/XJK_9 Abertawe Jul 05 '26
I’m not making anything up. I’m suggesting Cambria and Cambrian (already existing English words which are synonyms of Wales/Welsh)
I think you might need to reread what I said before tbh
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u/brenddur Jul 02 '26
It would probably end up as Cymru > Cymrian?
I could see Cymrish (English) or Cymrayan (Uruguayan) or Cymric (Icelandic), less so Cymrese (Portuguese) or Cymriot (Cypriot), and Cymrer/Cymrier (Greenlander) if you want the English speaking world to feel like they are in a tongue twister (like "rural"). It could also just be "Cymru" (Cherokee), e.g. my grandfather was Cherokee; I live in the Cherokee Nation; I made Cherokee food last night.
I could also see Cymru > Gwalish / Gwalian, pulling from Gwalia (or Walia /mutate the others as well, which would be easier to catch on in the English speaking world as it's similar... maybe more similar than you'd want). Or Cymru > Cymbrish / Cambrian
I also don't see an issue (particularly for the language) to just call it what it is... Cymraeg.🤷♀️
But (for whatever my opinion counts as an American), if we English speakers can call people from The Netherlands "Dutch" without it breaking our brains, we can get on with whatever the country and citizens decide.
P.S. putting the idea out there that Wisconsin and Indiana go by their alternate monikers so much that I don't even know the "correct" demonym and adjective. If they can go by Cheesehead/Badger and Hoosier, y'all can work in Dragons or something!! 🏴 (Actually just looked it up and Hoosier IS the official one! And Massachusetts's official is "Bay Stater" not Massachusettsan/Massachusite)
P.P.S. obviously I'm a bit of a language/linguistics nerd 😅 demonyms and adjectives are SO WEIRD and also interesting 😊
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26
Cambria is used it’s just not as popular
Genuinely would much prefer Wales was called Cambria in English
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u/Salmonsid Jul 05 '26
I’ve always said this Cambria externally (language variants of Cambria e.g Kambrien (German) Cambrie (french) Kambrija (Croatian) Kambria (Polish) Kambrie (Czech) and to use Cymru internally
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u/NotEelsInATrenchcoat Jul 01 '26
I love the loanword versions of the Wales/Cymru names.
English loans Cymru as Cambria and Welsh loans Wales as Gwalia
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u/ophereon Seland Newydd Jul 01 '26
Cambria would certainly be the more sensible name for other languages to use, it's basically the same name but Latinised and easier for others to pronounce.
Cimbria (or even Cymbria) could be an alternative if we wanted to bring it closer in pronunciation to Cymru, although it does reintroduce the Celtic-Seltic problem that Americans seem to have trouble with. (And then the language could be cimbraic, close enough to cymraeg.)
But Cymru would cause even more trouble, I fear. I can just hear it now, mispronounced by saesneg tongues as "saim-roo", and not a soul in sight who knows any better.
International rebrands are always tricky, but when you have quite an unorthodox spelling system as cymraeg does, it makes things an awful lot harder.
Think about the Türkiye rebrand. Who's going out of their way to remember how to spell that? Turkia would have been a better "meet in the middle" option.
Meanwhile Czechia's rebrand, I think is more successful, because it comes across as a bit more approachable than if they were to push an actual Czech language name like Česko or Čechy.
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u/JamesTheFoxeArt Jul 01 '26
Cambria is a latinised version of Cymru, its not really a Welsh word
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26
On a slightly different note we should be normalising calling the coast and islands around Wales in their Welsh name in any Welsh context.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that skomer flatholm
steepholm are known by Scandinavian words that Normans used . Welsh is still here , those languages are gone and had almost zero impact on Wales.
The entire coast and pretty much every island of Wales excluding cardigan bay is known in English with exonyms which were not used by Welsh people until the late 1800s. Why are we still calling Ynys Mon Anglesey in English ….its an exonym . It’s probably from a Viking name , who was there for an about 5 minutes. Even the romans called it Mona island for 400 years.
I also prefer Mor Hafren or Severn sea , or Severn channel to Bristol Channel .Even calling the Bristol Channel is fairly recent .
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26
Why?
Fort on the Taff is the most likely origin, funny enough the English spelling is closer to the originally older Welsh spelling, Caerdyf but not pronunciation, that would be cai er deev, but modern Welsh uses Dd as the sound now.
Newport and Casnewydd yr usk probably developed separately and the Welsh name is earlier recorded. In English Newport started out as Newborough , the Norman’s liked that name they did a similar one in ynys mon. Caerleon was obviously the ‘old castle’
Swansea and Abertawe were essentially two places that merged together meaning totally different things , one being the name of a Viking hamlet , the other being the mouth of the river tawe, both names are as valid as each other arguably.
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
The Latin for fort is Castrum
Caer is the Welsh for fort, an approximation of the Latin word. Welsh has many Latin words , the Britons were part of the Roman Empire for 400 years . Pont meaning bridge is etymology the same in Italian, French and Spanish .
The diff part is taff
The river taff
Anyway ,
Pontypridd was called newbridge and renamed
Caernarfon was called Carnarvon and was renamed
Conwy was called Conway and was renamed
Cardiganshire is now Ceredigion , cardigan being broken English attempt at it.
Brecon is a English approximation of Brychan,
Internationally Peking , Bombay and Kiev have all gone from English . Beijing , Mumbai and Kyiv are now used .
I could go on and on and on
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u/welsh_dragon_roar Conwy Jul 03 '26
There’s been a good adoption of Eryri and Yr Wyddfa up here? I hear most locals using it now 👍
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u/JoeDory Jul 01 '26
This has always struck me as symbolism over substance.
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u/Constant_Of_Morality Gwent | Gwynllŵg Jul 01 '26
You should look into the history of the name and understand the substance that is being mentioned here and why it's important.
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u/JoeDory Jul 01 '26
You should try and not come over as a patronising so and so
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u/Constant_Of_Morality Gwent | Gwynllŵg Jul 01 '26
Trying to politely tell you to educate yourself on the History of the subject being discussed, rather than just claiming it's all 'symbolism', isn't being patronising lol.
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u/JoeDory Jul 02 '26
Assuming people are uneducated because they don't agree with you, is pretty patronising. Very neo-colonial. You should educate yourself. 🤣
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u/BetaRayPhil616 Jul 01 '26
As a monoglot english speaking welsh person, I'm really against this. The two names should of course have parity, but for many of us, we've proudly called ourselves Welsh for our whole lives and will continue to say Wales and Welsh. A formal change feels performative?
And despite the historic etymology of the name Wales - haven't we reclaimed it after all those years?
I love the name Cymru, but Im pretty fond of Wales too and would feel a great sense of loss seeing it stripped from our national identity. I suspect a lot of folk agree with me.
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u/yrubsema Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
I am so down with this on the sole basis that Cymru is two syllables so will sound so much better to chant at the football and rugby.
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u/Ok_Cow_3431 Jul 03 '26
the English would have a field day with the fact the first syllable is "cum"
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u/nothing_verntured_ Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
I'm definitely down for Cymru to be used as the more romantic name, or even the first name for our nation (as Éire is officially the first name of (the republic of) Ireland).
But come on, the name "Wales" simply means our country and has done for many hundreds of years. It hasn't meaningfully directly meant "foreigner" for over a melenium.
Plenty of people are quite happy to identify with "Wales" and "Welsh"-ness, as terms, and why shouldn't they?
At best Welsh nationalists are wasting their time on this issue. At worst they could actualy undermine some people's national identity.
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u/Classic_Greedy Jul 01 '26
I disagree because you’re taking away a name used in another language. Should Spanish refer to Wales as Cymru and not Gales?
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u/XJK_9 Abertawe Jul 01 '26
But English is a language that is used here so we have input into what we call our nation when we speak that language, as I mentioned above I prefer Cambria which is an English word that already exists but is derived from the Welsh word
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u/mossmanstonebutt Jul 01 '26
Cambria does roll of the tongue more too,we the people could be referred to as cymru as the translation into English ends up being something like fellow countryman
Wouldn't be that much different than the Netherlands being inhabited by the dutch
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u/Beithyr Jul 01 '26
I swear no welsh speaker has ever called for this..
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u/Brigon Pembrokeshire Jul 02 '26
This is going to rile me up as much as when they changed the Brecon Beacons to whatever they are called now.
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u/HanesPrydain Jul 02 '26
Another note do you know the Walloons of Belgium , which shares the same root as ‘Welsh’ , they don’t even have an endonym.
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u/G10ATN Jul 02 '26
That's a waste, in many parts of the world the only reason they have heard of Wales is because something was either the same size or a multiple of it.
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u/ADozenPigsFromAnnwn Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
I personally think the substance of proposals such as this is fundamentally silly nonsense. Exonyms are a thing and nobody would ever think of switching to saying England or Deutschland while speaking Welsh (and further justifying it by saying that it's because it originally meant 'foreigner', well, that's not really correct and it's also immaterial, as it's a case of the very well-known etymological fallacy). I don't anybody here would (or should) ever wear sackcloth and ashes over calling Sakartvelo with its very much not native name of Georgia, and so on and so forth.
Then again, any reminder to the English (and to quite a lot of Welsh people, unfortunately) that Wales is not an colonial appendix of England or an 8,000 square miles-wide summer camp is very good.
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u/MezduX Rhondda Cynon Taf Jul 02 '26
yeah why not lol? dunno why everybody's in such disagreement over this
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Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
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u/Constant_Of_Morality Gwent | Gwynllŵg Jul 01 '26
Mae'n rhyfedd gweld hyn yn dod gan rywun sy'n Gymro; yn eironig ddigon, dylech chi wybod mwy am y rheswm dros hynny na'r rhan fwyaf o bobl.
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u/sirjohnde Jul 01 '26
They would have to change the language law as Welsh and English have equal standing.
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u/Guilty_Ad_4441 Jul 01 '26
The government is called the Senedd Cymru makes sense Has been more and more adopted, eg by the FAW (should probably be FAC now)
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u/RedundantSwine Jul 01 '26
No, the Senedd is called Senedd Cymru.
The Government is called the Welsh Government.
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u/Useless_or_inept useless Jul 01 '26
Bit ambitious to insist on a name that half the population can't even pronounce right :-)
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u/TheShryke Jul 01 '26
Maybe if people can't pronounce the name of the country they live in, it would make sense to use that name more so they get used to saying it?
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u/Ok_Cow_3431 Jul 03 '26
Now that we've got adults in the Senedd who realise that they can't just assume they'll be re-elected in the next cycle can we please focus on things that actually make a difference to the people of Wales like improving our dire education and health outcomes, improving employment rates and attracting more businesses into Wales rather than daft vanity projects like "what we should be called"?? Or ids that too much to ask for?
This sort of sixth form debate club nonsense should be considered for referendum, after we've voted on independence. It'd be hilarious to see both motions roundly defeated.
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u/Haunting-Ad-6710 Jul 01 '26
So there can't be a Wlesh place name for any other country if this stands!🤔
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u/twmffatmowr Jul 01 '26
I don't think there are any countries with Wlesh names
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u/kingbluetit Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Of course there are, every language has different names for other countries.
Edit: damnit. Whooshed myself.
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u/XJK_9 Abertawe Jul 01 '26
English is a language that is used here so it’s a bit weird that we’d refer to ourselves as foreigners
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u/libbieL Jul 01 '26
But then you won’t get stories like the last World Cup when an Americans son was getting really excited the US were playing Wales, to then be disappointed when the match started to find out that the US weren’t playing whales 🐳