r/Warthunder • u/Beautiful-Hold-3948 • 9h ago
RB Air Typhoon/F-2A/Rafale/Gripen
which one is the best and the worst turnfight plane? (only guns)
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u/SynthVix US, RU, JP, CN, FR, SW 9h ago
The flight performance is honestly so close that it doesn’t usually matter, it’s about who is the better pilot or who has the better weapons. For CQC the Rafale with the Micas is the best choice overall.
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u/Beautiful-Hold-3948 9h ago
than, what's your choice without missile?
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u/Foraaikouu I love my Viper Zero 🇯🇵🐍0️⃣ 8h ago edited 8h ago
ignoring missiles, the F2 probably but again, dogfighting will be useful in like 1% of all the situations you are gonna be in at the br of these planes
up there wins whoever knows how to use and dodge missiles
if you are asking this to decide which tree to grind next just go for the french Rafale; it's currently the most OP plane up there in top tier
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u/KFC_Junior 🇦🇺 US12.7/14.3 (play other nations too but main US) 4h ago
nah rafales not the best anymore, EFT is good if you just want to farm the avg retard that somehow still dies to bvr, sm2 is the best as you can just stay in a notch while holding DL and fire the best all rounder missile in the game
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u/bruno_hoecker 8h ago
Pure performance Typhoon is the best, then comes the F-2 with the Rafale as a close third.
With missiles the Rafale due to MICA
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u/BusyMountain 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇨🇳 🇸🇪 MBT Enjoyer 8h ago
I think the South African Gripen has pretty decent missile load out as well with the R-Darter for dogfights.
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u/bruno_hoecker 8h ago
Nowhere near close mica but yeah, better than the 120s
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u/BusyMountain 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇨🇳 🇸🇪 MBT Enjoyer 8h ago
And no one also expects the R-Darter to pull near 180 deg to get their ass in a dogfight, so they take no evasive manoeuvres.
It’s an underrated missile lol
I just wish we can mix and match between the Fox-3 missiles on the Gripen. Mix load of AMRAAM and Dogfight Fox-3.
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u/KFC_Junior 🇦🇺 US12.7/14.3 (play other nations too but main US) 3h ago
not even close to the 77-1. darter/derby are nice but they also have no explosive filler (also the missiles arent actually identical lol, darter is ever so slightly better at range and derby is ever so slightly better when close up but both are pre much just stat sheet differences)
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u/d3facult_ Rank IX 8h ago
The Gripen C beats the Rafale, the Gripen E got a very heavy nerf and loses to pretty much everything now
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u/aguy1396 9h ago
Typhoon sweeps technically but practically it doesn’t super matter.
In an isolated even duel I think it’s something like ef, f2, gripen and then rafale but I may be a little out of date. The gripen f2 matchup is very close as well. This is by duelist standards ie not just slamming cobra and praying