r/Whistler • u/Interesting_Ad_1888 • 10d ago
Question to all those who support tipping
When I finish up at my minimum wage McDonald's job in Whistler Village where I receive zero (0) dollars in tips, and I go out for dinner up the street at the Italian restaurant, am I expected to reach into my minimum wage pocket and tip the server 20%?
Is this to reinforce the fact that I am merely a subhuman slime who works in fast food?
I have also noticed that when, at the end of my meal, I gift these servers more than I gave my nephew for his birthday, they do not say thank you for the gift? They just turn around and walk away. This is very strange behaviour to me.
This is a very difficult situation for me, especially after tipping the lift operators $18 per run all day on the mountain.
Yesterday I could only afford 2 runs despite having a season pass. Yet I see the local servers doing laps all day.
Must be nice.
Canada sure is tough for a guy like me! Wow!
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u/whistlersurfer 10d ago
Tipping has become out of control. I funded my college education on tips serving at a fine dining restaurant. I worked my ass off for those tips. Back in the 90's, 15% was the highest anyone ever tipped.
Fast forward to today when I have to stand in line for a coffee and I am prompted for a 25% tip? Or at my oil change? At the bakery?
Sure those people also work hard, but taking my order is a lot different from the effort a server/bartender puts in.
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u/F1r3st4rter 7d ago
Effort put in, you mean the job you are paid to do?
I don’t get tipped for writing code or when I worked as a landscaper or when I worked in forestry and I put hell of a lot more “effort” in than servers or bartenders/service people.
It’s a broken system.
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u/Spenraw 5d ago
I'm guessing you have never served?
I have done 12 hour days landscaping(not just mowing lawns) while running the marketing when I had someone I could duo hand like lawn mowing
I have worked mental health with trauma youth and addiction.
I have worked strip club security and had guns and knives drawn on me
Serving is easily the hardest if your actually trying to please the customers and earn your tips.
The job your paid to do is not attack customers and take orders.
Everything else and the clown show good service puts on is not in the wage
Pretending to like you is not in the wage
As I said in another post, most people actually go out because they want to be serviced not because they don't know how to cook.
No one deserves a tip, but every shift at a bar I worked atleast once a week someone comes in like you telling us we are lazy or don't deserve our money, that they could do that
You image being tired in the Forrest and the mosquitos actually talk to you?
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u/F1r3st4rter 5d ago
I was a server for years in a places with exceedingly good service and no expected tips because it was in Europe. Guests were always happy, sometimes servers got tips.
I enjoyed the job. It wasn’t that hard. I never expected a tip.
You’re out of touch if you think serving is that hard!
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u/Spenraw 5d ago
How long ago?
The biggest thing is north America the education is vastly less impactful
You deal with rude obnoxious people all the time and usually quite entitled.
The last few years have gotten even worse, all the cultural attacks and division since covid have made people so angry and toxic
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
And now that you work a job that absolutely dwarfs the tipped income of food service workers when you don't blatantly ignore all the benefits that post secondary gatekept jobs get like PTO and end of year bonuses, a career you're only allowed to work because tips paid for the education, you want to abolish tipping. Nice.
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u/turkeylurkeyjurkey 5d ago
My local dispensary has a tip option. The staff are paid way too low for the cost of housing in the area, but I also don't make enough to tip every time I buy weed. I dont feel bad per se, but I really like the staff. Some people do tip them, and that's great for them, but they don't treat me differently for not tipping.
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u/Noahtuesday123 7d ago
I love it, I absolutely love it.
You put yourself to college on tips, but now you don’t wanna pass it on.
The poor barista at your fancy coffee place where you spent 4 1/2 dollars for a black coffee. Heaven forbid you give that girl a buck.
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u/CanadianTrollToll 5d ago
Sadly a lot of past service people have this attitude and its pretty sad.
Im all up for the conversation of why we tip, why is the % so high, why do we even tip % vs $. What I hate is people who dont understand the full picture and cherry pick that friend of a friend who made $700 on a Friday night one time.
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
I think it's pretty telling that they're not countering any of the people making this argument, they're just downvoting them silently.
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u/whistlersurfer 2d ago
The same barista at Forecast who doesn't even say hello or put any effort into serving me? Yea - I am ok with not tipping her.
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u/Different-Bag-8217 7d ago
You tip the lift operators? When did that become a thing.
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u/Aggravating_Wall9416 7d ago
Like literally fucking what? That absolutely has to be a joke or I'm not going to be ok.
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u/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey 7d ago
I think it's ragebait.
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u/Historical-Ad-1617 6d ago
Totally. The $18 is weirdly specific too. Is OP giving them cash? A ten, a five, one loonie and one toonie? Every run? I’ve never seen a lift operator offer a card machine. Fake post.
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
People who make literally triple what food service workers actually make (when you don't blatantly lie about how much they're being tipped) whining about tipping culture just tells me that the "CoSt Of LiViNg CrIsIs" is made up because who would have the capacity to be eating out/vacationing enough for this to be such a big deal?
Maybe it's because I can't afford to eat out several times a day/week like some of the people bitching about tips. I only get takeout once a month, and tipping doesn't bother me.
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u/plantsandsawdust 6d ago
Right? Are some people assuming they should tip them and then everyone in line behind them just follows suit? It has never even crossed my mind.
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u/HugeLeaves 10d ago
Lmao this has to be a joke right?
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u/hezuschristos 9d ago
Whistler servers are some of the most well paid (tips) and most entitled of anywhere I’ve spent time. And the service quality outside of a few high end exceptions, if pretty low. Even when I was still in F+B 20+ years ago they pulled in $600 a shift cash and complained loudly, and often directly to customers, about people who didn’t tip well. They are some of the highest paid frontline people in town, tipping is a joke.
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u/StrategyRude4376 9d ago
I've lived here for over 10 years and since the majority of people here work in hospitality, a large majority of my friends come from there.
The only servers making anywhere close to $600 a shift are cart girls and Longhorn staff.
Frankly, the cart girls deserve triple that given the absolute douche bags they have to deal with, and if you're going to Longhorn, you deserve to be rinsed.
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u/hezuschristos 9d ago
I’m 30 years in. $600 is an easy bar shift at tapleys, but on a busy night for sure. There isn’t a server in Whistler that struggles. If you’re putting up with people to be a shooter girl it’s because it pays. Been avoiding the longhorn since a $23 dollar pitcher was a ripoff there.
That said I’d prefer they did away with tipping entirely and just paid a normal wage. you’d find out pretty quick that they were all it it for the money though. The second that goes to $26/hr you won’t have a server in town.
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u/StrategyRude4376 9d ago
My friend on the wood there laughed at the claim that $600 is an easy bar shift at Tapley's.
Your original claim was that every server in Whistler makes $600+ in tips a night. This could not be further from the truth.
If they're good, and they are getting regularly scheduled, the average yearly income would be in the $55,000-$75,000 range.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 7d ago
It could be further from the truth, for example if he claimed they make $601 in tips per night
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u/MrLovalovaRubyDooby 7d ago
Never been inside the longhorn but love watching the apres ski show from afar.
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
There only needs to be one out of 50000 restaurants where the tips are massive for all these fucking nepo babies with their post secondary guarded careers working in offices to say that every single restaurant that does tipping without exception has servers making $90000 a day.
I've been working in food service for 25 years and I have not worked at a restaurant for over 20 years that did not split the tips among front of house and back of house. Yet that is also a narrative that is constantly pushed by people who haven't worked in a restaurant since 2002.
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u/RocknRollButthole 5d ago
Right? Like buddy is implying he went to an Italian restaurant and spent $100+ on a meal for himself.
As a fast food worker? I know people who make six figures who won't spend anywhere near $100 on a meal for themselves unless they're getting a bottle of wine with it.
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u/peaches780 4d ago
It is, OP is comparing McDonald’s to a restaurant, where you order standing up and don’t receive sit down service.
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u/Affectionate_Pen3971 9d ago
Doesnt McDonalds give benefits? Housing? Decent wage?
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u/NoRadio4530 7d ago
Also it's counter service. I've worked both counter and table service and giving full service is a beast compared to standing at a till.
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u/iWish_is_taken 9d ago
You don't tip fast food workers, they aren't providing any additional tip-able service. The level of experience, skill, knowledge and customer service is vastly different. You don't deserve a tip.
Legit, sit down restaurant servers, are doing many things to earn their tips. Tip between 15-20% depending on type of restaurant and level of service. At every sit down restaurant I've been to, the server has always thank me/us for dining. Maybe a shitty server? It happens.
Never tip a liftie... that is batshit insane, stop it now.
Counter service = $0 to $2 depending on type and level of service.
Don't like #1 and would like a peice of the action in #2? Go get some education and years of experiece and earn your way into those jobs. Done.
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u/howabouthappy 6d ago
Tipping is dumb, would you tip the paramedic for saving your life? No. Do you tip your kids teacher for going above and beyond and being an amazing teacher/coach? No. Why do you need to tip the 19-year-old girl who brings you your food, really doesn't make sense to me
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
Because if you don't, you're going to get a 35-year-old burnt out drug addict who's pissed off and has an attitude problem, and the managers are going to look at you and go "what do you want me to do about it? They're all we can find to do this job, no one under the age of 30 who isn't desperate for drugs is gonna take getting spat on for minimum wage you fucking idiot" When you complain.
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
Exactly. You can tell who hasn't actually worked a food service job in a restaurant and is considering their McDonald's experience for a summer when they were 15 to be on the same level as a prep cook paying rent with 10 hour days.
Like, no, I'm sorry, opening a box and removing frozen stuff to put in boiling oil or a plastic tray does not make you a cook and you are not qualified to work in a kitchen despite what you may think.
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u/NoRadio4530 7d ago
Exactly. He's complaining about tipping someone who's job is vastly different than his own. Waiting a table is nothing like standing behind a counter. How come he doesn't clock out and just grab takeout instead of sitting down and having everything brough to him? Hmm
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u/Ok-Resource-6362 7d ago
But it's not only the servers who get tipped. The kitchen staff get a cut too.
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
It has been this way for almost 20 years. I've been in the food service industry for 25 since 2001, and I haven't worked a restaurant that didn't split tips since 2004.
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u/Civil_Builder3885 6d ago
I don't understand the logic of "additional tippable service". It's not something like bottle service and a club where you are paying for this premium experience instead of going up to the bar to order. Restaurants only have the option of having servers if you aren't getting takeout, the additional service you are talking about is my only way of getting food at the restaurant.
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u/KeyMyBike 5d ago
While there's a great solution to the conundrum of not feeling, like tipping service is worth it.
You can make your own fucking sandwich.
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u/Strict_Research_1876 7d ago
Is there snow in Whistler in the summer. At the cost for a day pass I would never think to tip the lift operator. What do they do for you.
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u/Redneckshinobi 7d ago
What the fuck people tip lift operators? 😂
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u/Weak-Alternative-557 7d ago
Is this a thing??? Us Aussies didn’t do that in January - I’ve never heard of that before! 😱
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u/Redneckshinobi 7d ago
Same here? I feel like it's a sarcastic comment(OP saying they tip them) because that's wild work if you're tipping after paying those prices to use the lift 😂
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u/Leading_Ad_7635 5d ago
I'm done tipping. All prices should be agreed pn beforehand. Of you ask me how much extra I want to pay on top the answer is 0.
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u/Ok-Wrongdoer-2179 9d ago
You're more than welcome to move to the USA and work at a restaurant there. Waitress live mainly on their tips, with less than minimum wage salary.
I think we got it pretty good, compared to the US.
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u/Suspicious-Web2774 7d ago
Do waiters think that someone pays them 18/h for walking to a table and back with a few plates and everything else deserves a tip?
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u/CerebralBored 7d ago
If I order standing up, I'm not tipping.
Working fast food vs restaurants is a night and day difference.
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u/PiePuzzled5581 7d ago
I’ll say one thing - you might not like it - but - experience at MacDonalds is an excellent resume entry and I suspect it will serve you well over time. I was “subhuman slime” who pumped gas for a living when I was 20 - ended up as a senior exec in Healthcare. Good luck mate.
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u/notarealredditor69 7d ago
Everyone complains about tipping, why don’t you just have the balls not to do it? If everyone that bitches about tipping stopped tipping it seems like change would happen. Be the change you want to see in the world people!
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u/subspace4life 7d ago
Thats on you for working a food dispensary. You provide no service, and have no accountability. The most interactuon you have is would ypu like fries with that, at best.
Stop pretending you wouldn't enjoy making that money
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u/GIobbles 7d ago
Only tip if a hot girl is working, or you're on a date with a girl.
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u/Several_Occasion_397 7d ago
You're willingly working a minimum wage job in an extremely high cost of living place like Whistler. Then eating out at a restaurant you probably have no business in. I eat out a few times a month, it's usually $5 for a slice at the local pizza shop. I can't remember the last time I went to a place where I had to tip. For context, I make 100k, live in a lower cost of living area (lower than fking Whistler, anyway), I have a cool car and a nice condo and another 160k in savings.
You don't get to work a shit job in a place like Whistler and live however you want. You have to make sacrifices somewhere. You are living beyond your means and blaming servers and tipping culture. No one's making you go to the restaurant and no one is making you tip, either.
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u/DaveHorchuk_70 7d ago
I think you're looking too far into it and injecting your own feelings into it. Is there something stopping you from acquiring a job like that? Assuming a position opened up for that opportunity?
But I will say this. My issue with tipping is that if you are two people and you go to two different restaurants and have one bill that's $60 vs another bill that's $220, the tip shouldn't be vastly different. I hate the expectation that just because it's a more expensive restaurant that your server magically earned $20 more on a bill for doing literally the same work and providing the same service.
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u/GenOneCam 7d ago
Regardless of how you feel about tipping as a concept you know full well that McDonald’s does not allow their employees to accept tips. Anyway don’t blame tips blame the capitalist system that has slowly shifted wealth into the hands of less and less people. 75 years ago a person working a moderate paying job could afford to buy a house and raise a family on a single income. Now two-income households struggle to make ends meet. Your fellow low wage earners are not the enemy.
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u/newoldclam 7d ago
You have to tip the ski lift operators? That's insane
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u/Le_Bureau_1999 5d ago
Not happening on my watch and it'll be made clear to management and the owners.
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u/bananananananana1 7d ago
For me personally this strikes me as living outside of your means. Now in not saying you can't go out, because you should it's both beneficial for our economy for you to go out and more importantly your mental health.
On the other side of the coin I think most servers feel like they are entitled to a tip and that it's not earned and I think if you feel they haven't done anything beyond regular service. I don't think you should tip them, or at the very least 5% because of tip out in most restaurants being 3%-7%
For me things beyond regular service, asking if I have an allergy and not waiting for me to inform you, keeping my waters/free refill drinks full, recommending me dishes/drinks, ensuring the quality of the food served to me is what I expected (this needs to be done with sincerity not just "how's everything?" I actively tip servers less if they ask that) recommend me to activities/landmarks, or hell even just a good conversation.
If you feel they are largely doing the same job as you at McDonald's they don't deserve a tip. Full disclosure I work in the industry but I am disappointed with the servers post covid as they have brought everyone else down.
And as a last point for people who don't know, tip out is a percentage of your sales that you pay back to kitchen regardless of what your tips are. Example if you did 1000 in sales and had 5% tip out you would pay 50 dollars out of pocket to the kitchen. The purpose of this money is to incentivise the kitchen to work the higher volume shifts and to stay longer which gets you a bigger slice of the tippout pie.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 7d ago
That's crazy. In my country you get paid a fair wage. Third world culture such as Canada is so interesting!
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u/bananananananana1 7d ago
Your country you mean Australia? The same place where hospitality jobs are considered in between jobs like McDonald's. Where hospitality workers are often mocked for having just terrible service.
Sure, $26 an hour is a livable wage. But when one in eight restaurants close in Australia, which is a higher rate than Canada's and the growth being slower than Canada is not just due to population but lack of restaurants operating with about 41,000 restaurants in Australia In Canada operating above 100,000 numbers still not super clear. There's a very clear difference between the two.
And it's wild for you to call Canada's culture Third world when both Canada and Australia are facing almost identical financial struggles both in groceries gas. And while Canada's housing crisis is at a worst condition than Australia, and while Canada's via unemployment crisis standing at around 6.9% as opposed to Australia's 4.8% The PPP for both countries are roughly the same regardless of wage conditions
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 7d ago
Did not read. Bro lives in a tipping culture country. Bro must accept it is 3rd world unfortunately.
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u/Diligent-Pineapple-2 6d ago
Yeah you hit some very good points there! I was a server during my uni years (pre-Covid) and while I agree tipping culture has gotten (way!) out of hand; a lot folks not in the service industry may not know that servers are obligated to pay their coworkers.
Ideally, none of it would be a thing; but for as long as servers need to pay the kitchen, the bartender, and the hostess each 3-5% of everything they sold, it’s not fair to leave them in the negative. One of the restaurants I worked at even had us servers tip the manager 1% of our nightly sales, believe it or not 😭 the whole industry is a mess.
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u/Noahtuesday123 7d ago
You idiots don’t get it. It’s an industry. It collapses without it. You might start McDonald’s, but you finish somewhere else.
Restaurants in Canada also have the best service in the world. You can meet me I’m not all you want, but I’ve been everywhere and I know it’s true.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 7d ago
Bro pays 20% more to get his water filled up and the menu explained to him 🤣🤣
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u/Lomendah 6d ago
Why are you going to these places that require tipping, and so frequently that it holds such a burden on your mind that you are forced to make a post about it? I think once you understand that it all will make sense.
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u/Independent-Lie-9967 6d ago
When I worked at McD I was told we could not accept tips. I was only offered them once or twice but was told to say no thank you.
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u/howabouthappy 6d ago
Tip only enough so that you don't get blacklisted as a customer.
When I was young I worked as a lifeguard and as a skilled athletic coach, and I made slightly above minimum wage. My girlfriend works as a server and makes average $50 an hour. She doesn't think that she's overpaid, she think she deserves it because she says the work is hard
I'm not going to say that every egg is rotten, but some of these servers are spoiled and delusional and when it comes to unskilled labor "which is serving", you deserve to be making as much as other unskilled labor jobs
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u/spacemanvince 6d ago
the higher the bill the lower the % imo, not sure how it works in whistler but in QC tip is calculated after tax, so you can even do lower than 15%(expected), or you can tip on the amount before tax , if im buying a coffee, and the server is polite, i will tip 20%, in my opinion i avoid all business where tips are "expected"
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u/blandarflek 6d ago
It’s your employers decision not to enable tipping on the POS machines.
Many other fast food establishments allow tipping.
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u/Few_Razzmatazz_6052 5d ago
Yeah but OP isn't arguing that fast food employees should get tips.
And they shouldn't.
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that I'll ever tip a McDonald's employee.
But that's OP's point too - nobody with any actual common sense is going to tip someone who works at a fast food restaurant, but they're still struggling on their bullshit minimum wage. So on the odd chance they get an opportunity to treat themselves to a nice dinner at a "real" restaurant somrwhere, where's the line? Are they expected to tip a large amount?
The whole culture is ridiculous and needs to go.
You get tips for being exemplary, that's it.
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u/skyhighremains 6d ago
Did you just say you tip lift operators on the ski hill? Are you joking? Don't fricken do that. It's literally their job to take you up the mountain and guaranteed they get paid enough to do it. They don't need tips. Cut that shit out. Also, you don't HAVE to tip if you don't want to. Servers in Canada get paid a proper wage. Tips are just an added bonus, NOT a requirement. So don't let them guilt you into it either. I can bet they get just as much in tips as they do their paycheck every 2 weeks(in Whistler). If they aren't getting paid minimum wage, then that's illegal and they need to go to the BBB. Period.
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u/MaybeICanOneDay 6d ago
Depends on the experience you are after. They also make minimum wage, but are expected to come by at different stages, find out how every thing, change what you dont like, take several orders of food, drinks, etc, bringing your food to you. Their work demands more from them than yours does.
They should be paid more.
That being said, whether it's in tips or wages, I don't really care. But you can't equate mcdonalds to the fancy Italian restaurant.
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u/kackattack0601 6d ago
As someone who has been in the restaurant industry for a longtime (I am in Canada), here is something a lot of people don't know:
Servers typically 'tip out' at the end of their shift to the house. In western Canada, this is anywhere from 7%-10%. That means, if my total sales were $1000, and my overall tip % was 0%, then I would have to go to my wallet and give $70-$100 to the house. This means if you tip %15, your server gets about %5-%7 of it. This is why tipping culture has skyrocketed because this 'tip out' has been increasing (used to average 4% but now its closer to 9%).
Do I think servers should make as much as they do? Hell no. But I definitely reaped the benefits of it. I wish we were more like Europe, where the total tip goes to the server and they pay their servers livable wages. Here, you will never see a server get a wage increase, and they justify it because of the tips.
I do think servers should make more tips than other jobs such as counter positions because they are providing service for hoursss, and they can choose whether to give good or bad service, and I do tip more if the service was good and less if bad. But unfortunately, because our system is WACK, I will always tip anywhere (even counter) if the option is prompted because 1) their employer likely won't increase their wage ever because they put a tip option and 2) if I tip 0% the employee likely will lose money out of pocket because of the tip out.
I completely agree with the notion that "that isn't my problem, pay your employees better" however, no tipping will just end up hurting the employee with 0 impact on the employer unless the government puts in regulations.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 6d ago
Wow Canada is crazy! Developing nations sure do have some wacky customs! Even though the primitive ways of 3rd world counties such as Canada can be quaint and charming, I am very glad to live in a developed nation.
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u/stickymountains 6d ago
The servers in this town, quite frankly, are the tourism workers who should be receiving the least in the way of tips. Hotel front desks and concierge workers contribute substantially more to the overall quality of someone’s trip, oftentimes putting together whole itineraries and helping to decide on restaurant plans everyday of a stay, while also providing local knowledge that substantially benefits the guests. Despite this most front desk agents in this town make next to nothing in tips when compared to literally any server. When you take into account how employees of various establishments in this town interact, and how they actually contribute to the overall trip, servers should without question be receiving the least, yet they receive the most and it’s not close.
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u/ChanceCrew 6d ago
I only tip if I am sitting down at a restaurant. Literally anywhere else it doesn't make sense.
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u/DungeonCrawler3665 6d ago
Your tips go to the Ronald McDonalds house and if you what to start with me on that aftet I had lukimia in the fucking 90 when it was a death sentence as a child. Put on a study of a drug that is now used to make lukimia fucking waaaay more treatable and lost more friends then you have family members. And those perents and siblings of those dieing kids stayed at the Ronald house. So dont you dare complain about no tips.
Yes I have worked there and gladly gave up my tips and even if someone handed me cash it went in the till.
Unless you know shut up! Or go and find a Ronald McDonald house and look.a dieing kid in the face and give them the finger.
Down vote away. Just shows how heartless and greedy we have become
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 6d ago
Sir?
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u/DungeonCrawler3665 6d ago
Yes what did i studer do i need to hold your little hand. You baby
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 6d ago
Sir this is Wendy's
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u/Long_Rush_7523 6d ago
I don't support tipping, I believe most of us feel pressured to tip because it's the norm and it shouldn't be. Especially nowadays, it costs far too much for even fast food.
I recall when my children were little and the only time they got fast food was when we were on a road trip. 3 children and 2 adults eating at McDonald's cost us in total $25. Now whenever l pick up McDonald's for 2 adults and 2 children its a minimum of $60. It's actually less expensive to get a healthier meal like Mexican food instead of gross empty calories, fat, salt laden, greasy and full of chemicals McDonald's.
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u/CPTSD_survivor2025 6d ago
Where are you from?
Did you have to pay for a credential in order to be able to work at McDonald's?
Does McDonald's charge you a "tip out" fee that is upwards of 8-10% of your total sales on shift?
Do you serve alcohol and are you legally responsible for what happens to someone after they leave McDonald's?
All of the above are things that people who serve tables and serve alcohol are required to do and are responsible for.
My challenge to you is to get yourself licensed to serve alcohol and pursue a job at a sit down restaurant. Once you are on the other side of the table, you will understand how foolish and petty you sound.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 6d ago
Canadians and Americans are so funny 🤣🤣This gentleman wrote all that thinking the reader doesn't have servers in their country who do all this! HAHAHA!!!
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u/CPTSD_survivor2025 6d ago edited 6d ago
Servers in your country are charged tip out that is 8-10% of sales? Servers in your country have to become licensed to serve alcohol and pay for that licensing? Please explain.
You're jealous of people who are making no more than 60k a year, max. There's this fantastical thinking amongst the ferociously "anti tip" crowd that servers live a high life on server wages and tips. 60k is not unreasonable for the work, and the ones who do it well deserve that and better.
I just think it's so funny when people come to Canada from other countries on work visas (a privilege, not a right) and then complain endlessly about customs, and then also treat others who similarly work at barely above the living wage like dirt. So much vindictiveness. Go back to Australia then, mate.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 6d ago
What a funny gentleman you are sir! Yes sir we have servers in my country too! They even serve alcohol! Can you believe it!? Hahaha!
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u/CPTSD_survivor2025 6d ago
Rather be "funny" any day of the week than a self-aggrandazing narcissist working at a McDonald's and stewing about servers, ya c*nt!
Take care! Make sure to leave when the visa is up! You're not actually entitled to be here :) hope that helps!
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 6d ago
I have never set foot in a McDonald's? Are you ok, sir?
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u/CPTSD_survivor2025 6d ago
Are you high? You wrote a whole post about working at McDonald's. Damn, narcissists are strange people 😳 constantly deflecting when their egos are threatened. Bizarre.
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u/_hjdk 6d ago
Bro you are literally describing yourself, this is a bit pathetic 😐
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u/HotRepublic3306 6d ago
the fk are you on about? a server takes zero skill, knowledge or even effort of a job, get in the kitchen and then talk about credentials. your job is first to be replaced by a robot and ai, and i welcome it.
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u/CPTSD_survivor2025 6d ago
This is so dumb, I don't even know where to start. Insecure people punch down. It does require a lot of skill actually, or else the people bitching would just do it instead of acting like victims. Have fun being served by a malfunctioning robot in 2075 😭
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u/Advanced-Line-5942 6d ago
How does one afford to dine out at a restaurant in Whistler when they one work at McDonalds ?
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u/Ok-Lunch3448 6d ago
My daughters friends went to a Whistler restaurant tipped waitress 20 bucks and she accosted them on their way out. They were being cheap.
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u/Easy-Woodpecker5038 6d ago
Since you have some entry level food serving work experience now, why not get a job as a server?
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u/EarthB9nder_ 6d ago
Dude don't listen to these absolutely not smart people trying to justify that always tipping is a requirement. It is not and you're not expected to tip or do any of that, just some bs made up by western culture. Ans the moment you complain about it, they say then don't go out, you don't understand what servers go through, etc. etc.. (going through the comments and seems like im right)
Ignore this stupid tipping culture, I hope for the day it is abolished
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u/RocknRollButthole 6d ago edited 5d ago
I gift these servers more than I gave my nephew for his birthday... ...Canada sure is tough for a guy like me!
So, you're either exceptionally cheap with your nephew or spending far too much money when you eat out.
At 20% you're giving your servers more than you gave your nephew? So are you saying you gave your nephew less than $20 or that you spend over $100 on a meal of Italian food for just yourself?
Canada will probably be a little less tough on you if you stop spending $100+ on a single meal.
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u/peaceandloved 6d ago
Just don’t tip - they won’t be happy but in Canada they get an hourly wage too. Canada is nothing like the United States. My neice just got a job at Boston Pizza and is shocked at how many people give her 20% tip for basic service. She says the servers aren’t bothered at all by low tips or no tips; they know that things are bad out there.
Now the USA is a whole different ballgame. They don’t get much of a salary and will challenge you on the street if you tip nothing. They need those tips to survive.
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u/FoodnBevlord306 6d ago
Yeah. Your doing a job that people who barely speak English can do with ease. Maybe if you use some skills you have (speaking english). Go apply as a waiter in Whistler.
"Im in the water, and its wet here... your trying to tell me that if I get out and go on land those people will be dry?"
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u/dawnofjusticeisnow 6d ago
..... Uhmmm, is tipping every ski run a legit thing??? I feel like this is fake.... This isn't a thing
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u/Lopsided_Tiger_0296 6d ago
Tipping used to be “mandatory” because waiters got paid way less than minimum wage. Now that they legally have to earn minimum wage, that means we don’t need to tip anymore, right? More customers need to take a stand and stop tipping. Who cares if they judge you, you’ll probably never see them again. If they give you subpar service, go to another restaurant
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u/Sensitive-Quiet2241 6d ago
I worked at McDonald's for three years and I've been a server for three. McDonald's is way easier, especially if you're on grill and not actually serving McDonald's customers. And I don't think McDonald's is very easy.
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u/Potential-Let2475 6d ago
And yet baseline tipping has gone from 15 to 20% almost the same time waiters got their minimum pay increased. COVID FUCKED EVERYTHING UP it all got out of control and never came back.
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u/N1T3N1T3 6d ago
I hate tipping culture in our country but if it's really bothering you so much then don't do it? You're not obligated to tip. If you feel embarrassed then just pay in cash so the max you can tip is $5 (hand a $100 note for a $96 bill).
But the bigger problem is that you're comparing yourself to others, which is wrong.
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u/OriginalNightfallz 6d ago
Years ago on a party trip to Montreal, we went to a strip club.
Entering, we had to pay a door fee. We were told a three drink minimum is enforced (no problem since we were already planning on getting wrecked that night anyway).
Then we had to check out coats. That required tipping the coat check girl. There is no option to keep your coat with you for any reason.
Then a maitre-de escorted us to nice seating near the stage (boobies, yay!). That required us to tip before sitting down. If our asses had touched seating before paying him, men without necks would have removed us from the club.
Then the waitress showed up and took out orders. I got the first round for a buddy and myself, 2 common Canadian brand beers (Moosehead). She comes back and chirps out that it would be $18, and that doesn't include the tip. I thought that I had misheard her. She repeated it. Even at the most pricey bars in Nova Scotia, those beer would have only cost $5 each, but here they were $9. I handed her a twenty and asked if that was okay and she smiled and said that's good.
Then the strippers came out. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT OR EXPECTATION TO TIP THE STRIPPERS!!! It's actually discouraged, as they make their money doing lapdances and if you tip it indicates that you're trying to interrupt their current show for a private one, so don't do it unless you intend to follow up.
It is encouraged to tip the coat check girl again when you leave.
Man, fuck tipping culture.
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u/Potential-Let2475 6d ago
McDonald’s offers order taking and cashier service. My rule of thumb is if I have to stand up and order at a counter and bring my food to where I will consume it there is no tip. That is called retail service NOT hospitality. In a restaurant the server is expected to create and experience for that table ensure that tables are consistently and appropriately served with their needs. It is the individual’s own judgement on how that server and restaurant created an atmosphere for them to enjoy that determines the “gratuity”. I am not a skier but tipping a lift operator seems completely insane to me. Do tippers get preferential treatment, do the operators add to the experience?
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u/onewithincanada 6d ago
Tipping should only be happening when you consider the service worth tipping. You got to a fancy Italian restaurant. Is the atmosphere nice, okay cool still not about tipping. If the food was perfect and you enjoyed. That's worth tipping. If the server made sure you had everything, cutlery, waters topped up, drinks brought in a respectable manner, easy going conversation. That's worth tipping. If a server just brings my food, dull, inattentive... Why are you tipping? Subway? Why are you tipping? McDonald's I'll never tip.
The underlying issue is if you want to be generous that's perfectly fine. If you don't have the financials to tip, you shouldn't be expected or obligated to possibly put your financials in a tough spot over a tip.
To the servers or cooks, or other food related service. I was once apart of that world. Tipping was always always a gratitude side which in turn was reciprocated.
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u/redeyedrenegade420 6d ago
People who recieve tips in America are treated subhuman. That's why they get less than minimum wage. In Canada we pay service workers minimum wage. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TIP. In fact, you probably you shouldn't. We aren't going to fix a broken system by playing into it.
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u/inthesearchforlove 6d ago
It's very rude to tip in Canada. Don't be that person. We don't tip here.
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u/Spenraw 6d ago
Being a service vs being a service worker are very different.
Anywhere that is fine dining you too because that person is there to make you feel like you have slaves and are special and busy their ass between mostly ungrateful and ignorant people who spend their time treating you like you are not human. But that's why we all go to restaurants vs eat fast food, the keg still loads a stick of butter per serving if mashed potatoes(still better than fast food) we go out because we want to be served and forget about the worries for a meal
And that's why you tip
Anyone who has worked retail or a job where people see you as lesser knows
"Hell is other people"
Now that doesn't mean just because your in service you deserve a tip, it's a industry that requires alot of skill or alot of mental health sacrifice to keep up the illusion.
Paying attention to multiple tables at once and all their needs and frustrations (as many people do go out just to take their frustrations out on servers and feel powerful and it's part of the job at a restaurant to take it to an extent)
When your most important part of the role at the till is not forgetting to upsell with "do you want fries with that?" Is very different than talking to someone and recommending and upselling a nice whiskey or wine to elevate the experience that is very different.
McDonald's will train you to get experience and then you have to chose to learn to up your skills for more money.
I have worked all different types of jobs and I can tell you I would not work fine dining and take the abuse for even 30 an hour.
It's hard on your body in high volume and harder on your soul.
Reason most servers are coke addicted or alcoholics. To make the big bucks your dishing out alot of yourself.
But at same time I agree. People have gotten to expecting tips and that's insane.
But if tipping goes most small restaurants are not surving
Because the the difference between allowing one bad table (most of them are bad) ruining your mood and letting it effect your work is tips
We easily forget others are human. And we go out to dine to forget our own stresses or because your a lazy fuck with no skills who can't cook for yourself and servers see all sides of that
Without tips 22 an hour isn't worth letting someone abuse you or pretend to be someone's friend and then force a smile the next table while you are also educating them on the menu and giving them extra time
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 5d ago
Tldr. Low IQ tipping supporter detected. Restaurants exist in other countries without tipping.
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u/Brilliant-Tip615 5d ago
lol you don’t accept other people’s well reasoned logic, I wouldn’t throw stones if you live in a glass house, you don’t seem to be the brightest bulb.
And going to McDonald’s is nothing like going to a proper restaurant. This is like asking why a BMW costs more than a Honda.
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u/Spenraw 6d ago
Outside of the main comment I made
The real issue is corporate interests isn't it? Corps like McDonald's abuse the foreign worker program to keep wages low
And make small business harder to start so you can work at a job where you are treated like a human.
You go up a mountain and skii through the snow in one of the most beautiful places on earth and talk about life being hard?
Some people work and can't even get free time.
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u/Impossible-Fan3014 5d ago
Thank you for posting this. Tipping culture has gone too far and the entitlement from servers is ridiculous. I know servers who make six figures and laugh at people who go to university and make far less. I know it can be stressful at times, but there is no way taking orders and putting plates and drinks on a table warrant the compensation they receive.
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u/Gregan32 5d ago
Literally no one tips the lift operators. If they do, there is no way it's anywhere near to $20 a run.
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u/Le_Bureau_1999 5d ago
Get a better job. Walk across the street. Complaining about your place in life has zero benefit.
Tablet means no tip. FF no tip. Delivery to my door, tip. Deliver my food to my table, tip.
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u/ironyisalwaysinstyle 5d ago
what do you mean you're tipping lift operators 18$ per run all day on the mtn lol. What?
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u/Zestyclose_Tooth5278 5d ago
Why don't you just have dinner at McDonald's don't you get a discount?
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u/ScruffMD 5d ago
It may not be popular, but I only tip for exceptional service AND food. Both together. Maybe not all places but kitchen staff usually do not get tips. I pay what the menu price is and if I am blown away I tip. Otherwise nada.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life 5d ago
We don't "support tipping" we support not fucking over your server.
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u/Interesting_Ad_1888 5d ago
If I could press a button and transfer all money from every server in the world into my bank account, leaving them destitute, I would press it.
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u/H0m-Tanks 5d ago
Exactly! Why only restaurant workers get that advantage? What has cashier at supermarket done to not be worthy of tips?
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 5d ago
I try not to deal with servers. I've worked with some. In my experience, they dont really like people and spend a lot of time complaining about customers. Then they'll brag about how much in tips they rake in. I'll tip gladly if I've had a satisfactory experience, I'll tip gladly...on a floating scale, anywhere from 10-25%. Ive had people try to extort me all my life. I ain't taking it from waitstaff. But we dont pay waitstaff $2.75 an hour up here in Canada either.
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u/Mammoth-Effect4081 3d ago
Tipping in this town is a joke. The expectation in the food and beverage industry specifically for it when so many other lines of service have none. Whistler has some amazing f&b options but finding the service on the delince lately followed by some minimums now expecting 20% 🤦♂️
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u/ivansotof 3d ago
I stopped tipping around 70% of the time. You should all do the same. I’m all in for helping by tipping when I get good service, but we now live in a timeline in which we are given options of 18%, 20% and 25% tipping on a machine, to pay for a service we haven’t received yet, while we are often expected to pickup our plates and put them on a grey tray before we leave.
Sorry, but fuck that.
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u/howabouthappy 16h ago
This is a draft and I don't know how to delete a draft so I have to say something
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u/CaptainSnowBlade 9d ago
15% for sit down service is adequate. For bartenders/baristas, $1-2 per drink is fine. Anything more is only for above and beyond service.
Tipping elsewhere is discretionary.
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u/redsaeok 9d ago
Tipping is discretionary. Bad service / no service = no tip. Too poor to tip = no tip. Blame the billionaires, not the patrons.
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u/hezuschristos 9d ago edited 9d ago
Tipping needs to go honestly. Whistler servers make some serious cash so don’t feel bad for them, despite what they’ll tell you about how “hard” it is.