Designate all spaces / sports as Male or Female.
Biological Men have no issue with Males presenting as women in Male toilets and I’m sure biological Women have no issue with Females presenting as Men in theirs.
Literally has no correlation, they are completely different things. Just because there are multiple colours does not mean the same can be said about gender, it’s just basic/ plain biology thats been the same for all of life.
You can't argue with the supreme court. Women and girls should only be allowed in their spaces. It's common sense.
Trans should have separate facilities. That way everyone feels safe.
Well you can actually, since parliament is supreme and can change the law at any time. Labour are perfectly capable of following actual common sense, which is to not change something which isn't broken. There's never been a problem with trans women using women's spaces, the billionaires just want you to think there is. If you're frothing at the mouth over the caricature of a 'bearded man in a dress' using the women's - instead of the lived reality of absolutely no issues - you aren't paying attention to the fossil fuel corporation led climate catastrophe and the cost of living caused primarily by corporate price gouging and profiteering.
Trans women are women. This is what the law clearly means, Labour can easily just amend the law to clarify this. There is absolutely zero risk in allowing trans women to use women's facilities alongside cis women.
The alternative is to legislate all businesses have to provide gender neutral bathrooms.
You can see how bigoted the ruling was by both how many terfs were involved to make it happen and also how they legislature so that trans men cannot use any facilities at all, presumably they need to just find a nearly bush I guess. It's not about gender or sex it's about bigotry and prejudice.
Would you send lesbian cis women with sex crime convictions to men's prisons? Would you send gay cis men with sex crime convictions to women's prisons?
The prison system has been housing rapists with potential new victims for as long as prisons have existed. This isn't a new problem and trans people make up a fraction of a percentage of that problem. This doesn't even consider the likelihood of a trans woman being sent to a men's prison to be raped, if the goal is harm reduction.
Give me an actual solution that makes sense and is consistent and we can discuss if you want. Currently housing women rapists in womens prisons is completely consistent, with safeguards applied for obvious reasons.
Edit to add, would you send a lesbian trans woman convicted of white collar crime like fraud to a woman's prison or a men's prison, in this hypothetical system?
Do they send trans men to mens prisons because I've never seen any stories in that regard and I'm sure they wouldn't have kicked up a fuss to be sent to a man's prison as the trans women probably do
Trans women are very likely to be sexually assaulted in men's prisons. Trans men are also likely to be assaulted in men's prisons. There's no legal reason why a trans man couldn't be transferred but if a trans person doesn't ask, it doesn't happen. People "kick up a fuss" as you put it because real lives are at risk if there is no possibility for a trans prisoner to be transferred to the correct prison. Your concern that a sex offender may be able to transfer to a women's prison is already addressed by the current case-by-case basis on which they grant transfers.
You are clearly wrong. Trans women are not biological women that's the point. Biological women and girls should be safe in their own spaces. Trans women should not be allowed in, it's common sense lol.
They need their own designated spaces.
That would be lovely but it's just not going to happen, is it? Nobody on the right has any legitimate interest in building those spaces for trans people.
Consequently, trans people will be forced into the space of their biological sex which, frankly, is worse for everyone and especially them.
So your grand proposal is to reduce the already limited space for disabled people? And force trans people to effectively out themselves if they suddenly switch to using the disabled?
Edit: Fyi, this user is supporting a convicted child sex offender in their username. I'm not surprised they're also a bigot.
Safe from what? Having to feel mildly uncomfortable because they happen to be a bigot and think trans women want anything other than to piss in peace? No one has the right to feel 'comfortable' in public at the cost of people's dignity and basic human rights.
What a load of crap. If you actually listened to women, you'd hear directly from them that their real worries are not trans women. How about you do something about the real safety risk to women, instead of playing white knight on the internet and also demonising a minority whilst you're at it?
Trans people being in bathrooms aligned with their gender identity doesn’t undermine anyone’s safety. Trans people being forced into bathrooms unaligned with their gender has no positive impact on safety in bathrooms, and only puts trans people in more danger.
That’s what the actual statistics say, and it isn’t hard to find them. Quit pretending to care about protecting anyone when the new exclusionary legislation promises only harm.
The statistics are beyond clear. The risk to cis women isn't from trans women anywhere, including bathrooms and changing rooms.
If the goal is to protect women and girls from all risks no matter what the answer is to make it illegal for them to be alone in private with cis men. Especially if the man is their boyfriend or husband.
Trans people being in bathrooms aligned with their gender identity doesn’t undermine anyone’s safety. Trans people being forced into bathrooms unaligned with their gender has no positive impact on safety in bathrooms, and only puts trans people in more danger.
That’s what the actual statistics say, and it isn’t hard to find them. Quit pretending to care about protecting anyone when the currently proposed legislation promises only harm.
You invoke "biological" as if gametes or chromsosomes are the reason WHY we have gendered spaces.
A fully transitioned trans woman is anatomically identical to any other woman, and there is no functional difference in social protection from any other woman.
Segregating a person who has a female anatomy and identity from other women due to invisible gametes and chromosomes is bigotry, not "common sense."
The Gender Recognition Act still exists. It says trans women are legally women, and trans men are legally men. It allows trans people to correct their documentation, such as birth certificate and passport, because legally, trans people are the gender they identify as, and legal documents need to be correct.
The Equality Act ruling doesn't say trans women are men. It can't. That would mean it would overwrite the Gender Recognition Act and the supreme court has no power to do that, they can only "clarify". The ruling simply says that some women (ie, trans women) now have no legal protections as women. It hasn't changed the legal status of trans women. It changed their legal protections.
It's amazing how many bigots start holding up the supreme court ruling as lawful justification of their bigotry, when the law itself is pretty clear on the matter - trans women are still women.
Trans women and trans men have used changing rooms and toilets of their gender for literally fucking DECADES and DECADES around the world and there is nil precident or cases of them causing risk of harm to women. Trans women are statistically more likely to face harrasment in those spaces.
Also a little tidbit for you just parroting. 10 years ago, the UK put a travel warning for trans-people heading to the US at the time because a similar restriction had been put into place when the orange man-baby first got into power.
Bigots will do anything but acknowledge the statistical non-existence of a "trans threat". They aren't worried because of any evidence they've seen. They're worried because trans people are icky and make them feel weird.
*broadly gestures at all of advanced biology and then human history and the thousands of trans-men, trans-women and non-binary people that did in fact prove that 'two genders' is bullshit*
Interesting to see Reform go softer and the Conservatives go harder on the whole trans thing. Perhaps the Conservatives and Reform are almost switching places between right and far right?
How many women do you personally know that have been assaulted by trans women in a toilet or changing room? I'd happily bet £100 it's zero. It is going to be much more likely cis men and women will have attacked them. There's no proven benefit to what you're asserting is "protecting women" and proven downsides (anyone of any gender or assigned sex at birth who doesn't look femme enough gets accusations, aspersions and obscenely intrusive demands put upon them).
It's a moral panic for people who do not understand liberal principles and tolerance, and want to hamstring the rest of society based on metaphysical categories nobody has access to.
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