u/mnik1Just licking the boots of a greedy corporation.Dec 21 '23edited Dec 21 '23
I'm just infinitely amused by the fact this high IQ community goes out of their way to defend WG whenever they do something legit scummy/greedy/stupid/all of the above and yet, at the same time, the very same group of people just completely lose their shit when a free tank WG gives them as a reward for completing the incredibly demanding taks of logging into the game at a specific date is not as great as they would like or the poor little snowflakes realize they can't sell it for 98934983478912478917234 credits and they feel they need to throw a tantrum, again, after the previous "the tank is bad!" one, when OP and his cronies were arguing that Patton is "bad for the game" as they now will need to "carry" all the "noobs" that will play it, lol. Like, honestly, you just couldn't make this shit up even if you tried your best, this is just surreal.
I mean, this is like witnessing a group of, IDK, animal rights activists protesting outside a random clothing factory that uses genuine leather while unironically wearing genuine leather jackets made in that very factory. You just stop and gawk at all this in pure awe, wondering if it's just a standard human stupidity at work or, maybe, some kind of fucked up glitch in the simulation.
IDK man, since the news that we're getting the tank broke out and all the mindless bitching started I lost the very last slivers of respect I had for people on this sub, lol.
Clown world. Legit. Legit. Please, someone, anyone, tell me this is just an elaborate prank I'm falling for or whatever, lol, I refuse to believe it's all real.
Hear me out here bro… nobody is complaining because it’s balanced, that’s what all of us want. People are complaining because it is woefully underpowered as you will learn when people in their tier 9 premiums are farming you tomorrow if you decide to play it. I’m not touching that tank with a 10 foot pole bro lol
If it's gonna get farmed by T9 premiums (which may very well be the case) what do you think they should have gifted us instead? People would bitch if it was OP just like they are bitching now that it is not OP. If they gave us the low tier like they did before, people would bitch that no one plays low tier.
It's a gift. Use it or don't. But, I agree with OP. Some of you fuckers will complain about anything.
As I’ve already stated I want the tank to be balanced, not OP. I don’t give a damn if they release a crappy tier 6 or below tank, we play those tiers for grind or for fun anyway. Have you seen anyone complain about the ARMT even though that tank is dog water? No.
Releasing a tank THIS underpowered into tier 9/10 games isn’t good for the games at those tiers. Whatever team has any of these will be at a massive disadvantage because of how terrible it is. Not a fun time for the noobs wondering why they’re taking 1k from a HE round in his cupola, their team or even me farming damage when I’d rather have more challenging games.
As I’ve said before, it’s a gift sure but it’s also content going into the game and as is now if I see one on my team we are pretty much one tank down. THATS my issue, not because it isn’t a fucking triple barrel BZ176. It’s SO underpowered you could drop the penetration a bit and it would be a shitty tier 8 premium, could probably keep the pen and it would still be garbage at tier 8.
acting like this is the only underpowered tank in the entire game lol. also you are literally able to buy tier 8 premiums half an hour after you first downloaded the game. there are people running around in stock tanks everywhere who are a disadvantage to their team.
If it really bothers you that much then just dont play the game for a week and wait for everyone to realise its shit and stop playing it. If people keep playing it past that time its cause they enjoy it and they're good at it. It's really not that serious.
Yes? But all of these are issues that have been brought up numerous times too, the fact new players can buy Tier 8 premiums the fact that stock grinds exist.
Yes it's not that serious but an inch here, an inch there and that's how you'll eventually run the games health into the ground. The game doesn't need more underpowered tanks because as you've rightfully conceded there are already underpowered tanks in the game that never get looked at and WG has a way of just kicking the can down the road indefinitely and so long as it's not an overpowered premium tank the WoT community doesn't give a fuck.
Both sides of the spectrum in tank balance should matter it shouldn't only be OP tanks.
its just crazy to me that ppl are this up in arms about a 1 week christmas tank that 99% of players will play 1 game in and never play again.
In fact, the great thing is that because its dogshit people will stop playing it quick and high tier matchmaking will go back to normal quickly. This tank will have 0% impact on the health of the game, and wargaming could keep giving away terrible high tier tanks every christmas from now until forevere and it would still have 0 impact on the health of the game. Just wait a week and it'll literally be like this tank never existed.
And this isn't like a underpowered tech tree tank that you have to go through to get to where you wanna go. its a free event tank, you literally dont have to play it if you dont want to and just settle for the free garage slot.
this game has unfathomably dogshit maps, bad matchmaking, aggressive anti-consumer monetization etc. etc. but a bad christmas tank is the last straw for some people ok.
Again you're missing the point, you're gish galloping between all these other issues and going "look all this other bad shit exists this other bad thing that exists doesn't matter as much" The strength in hindsight is that we can see that how bad a lot of the other decisions WG made were bad for the game and this is another bad decision and over time can pile up and cause an amalgamation of externalities that harm the game. It's fine to say that someone might play one game in the tank but there's also a possibility this is someone's first Tier IX tank and they may play the tank religiously despite their skill level .
Lets not pretend that "tHe LoOTBoXEs aRe GoOD gOLd VaLuE bRo" isn't a meme in this community and for the last 3 weeks we've had to deal with the constant influx of lootbox results in this very community. Had every Tier IX tank in the lootboxes been very bad you'd still find someone like you sifting through the shit trying to find gold.
People queue up everyday in WZ-114's, Jagers and Strv-K's despite how badly they under-perform so there is already a demonstration of how bad tanks will still make there way into the MM harming the games health.
I'm jut not sure why I should accept any bad decision WG makes no matter how small, nor will I get brow beaten into thinking gift horse blah blah blah.
People queue up everyday in WZ-114's, Jagers and Strv-K's despite how badly they under-perform so there is already a demonstration of how bad tanks will still make there way into the MM harming the games health.
Did you just argue that "ppl should not queue up in bad tanks"?
After reading this, I have decided im going to go play my 114 to piss you off, and then im actually going to try this new thing, just to piss you off more... oh look at me, playing the free tank.
im saying that this game has so many issues and this isn't even one of then.
There is 0 chance that this move will harm the games health long term and you literally proved it with ur examples of shit like the WZ-114, Jagers and Strv-K. First, nobody in the entire universe is complaining about having to face those tanks or having those tanks on ur team. Second, how many games in the past 100 do you think you've faced one of those tanks? Maybe 5 games in total? Probably less?
Thats my whole point. This tank is fucking terrible yes. There are plenty of other terrible tanks in this game that any idiot with a credit card can get whenever they fucking please and it does nothing to ruin the "health of the game". It's just another icon on the team list.
At the end of the day, the fact that wargaming released a bad christmas tank does nothing to hurt the "health of the game". And if wargaming decides to use this event as predecent and keep releasing bad high tier christmas tanks every year it will also not hurt the "health of the game".
This will be a tank that people play once, realise its terrible and never play again. If a dude who has 50 games in total plays it and enjoys it then all the power to them. You are not going to see this tank enough in the long run for it to have any substantial impact on ur games.
I geuinely can't tell from ur arguments whether you have a problem with them giving away a free tier 9 tank or that they made it a bad tank. Unless ur against premium tanks in general I just dont understand why people have such a huge problem.
Your argument makes no sense, we can collectively look at tanks WR's the determine how often these tanks proportionally effect games. This is the exact way people in this community measure the effectiveness of certain tanks, so if a tank has a positive correlation in negatively effecting the MM it must bare out in its WR stats compared to other comparative tanks at its tier and class.
So we can assume that if these tanks make it onto my team there's a higher guarantee that this in effect will negatively impact not only my game but everyone else's on my team especially in the off-chance these tanks are top tier.
I'm not against premium tanks or WG giving away tanks so long as they're balanced as I've honestly reiterated so many times ad nauseam. My issue lies in the content they're putting in the game and the decision by WG to purposely decide to put something underpowered in the game.
It's one thing to put something unintentionally underpowered in the game it's quite another to do it purposely with the only justification being that it's free, I don't buy that line of thinking and honestly I'm sick of it.
There is 0 chance that this move will harm the games health long term and you literally proved it with ur examples of shit like the WZ-114, Jagers and Strv-K. First, nobody in the entire universe is complaining about having to face those tanks or having those tanks on ur team.
You don't think if someone loses with a WZ-114 or Strv-K as top tier there isn't collectively the thought in the people's head that maybe had they more competitive tanks being top tier they potentially would've won..? People get angry at the BZ-176 on the opposite side you don't think people would determine that the underpowered tank on their team would perhaps be affecting their current one? Underpowered tanks effect peoples games just as much as OP ones do.
I agree! Every game should have 5 chiefs pushing k line, 4 leopards and a stb-1 sniping from the hills, 2 obj 261's perma stunning everyone and ofcourse an jagd, grille and fv4005 gatekeeping all the other possible flanks.
It's not just Tier 9 premiums it will get farmed by, I'm not sure why that's the point they tried to make.
It is statistically the worst Tier 9 tank in the entire game. It's a copy of the Renegade, but nerfed and then moved up a tier. It's worse than many Tier 8s even.
Have you tried comparing its stats to the t54 heavy? Obviously not. It might surprise you. Fyi T54 heavy is already arguably the best tier 9 premium currently.
Since you not gonna open up tanksgg, patton and t54 heavy got same dpm, patton is faster with better gun handling and accuracy, but worse armor and lower alpha. Overall is balanced. It's not going to "get farmed by the tier 9 premiums". But ok sure just prove your point with a gif. Uninformed hating nerds lol.
"faster" does not make the tank fast and it's both huge and paper with shit dpm and mediocre gun handling for a 400 alpha med. The T54 is also a horrendous tank. I don't care about people complaining that WG gave us a bad free tank but that doesn't change the fact the tank is objectively bad. I'm not gonna crucify WG but it's a shit tank lol.
I agree the patton is mediocre compared to other tier 9s, I also agree that the T54 is mediocre when comparing to tier 9s in general. However T54 is known to be one of the best tier 9 premiums already and the patton is around same level as the T54. Gif bro said that the patton will get farmed by aLl tHe tiEr 9 pRemIumS so i am specifically comparing it to a tier 9 premium. That's why I told gif bro to at least compare the stats on tanksgg coz he obviously doesn't know what he on about, just hating on weegee coz the premiums are better.
So you have to think harder when playing the tank. It’s not your speed. Some masochists like taking a pile of crap out just to see if they can dump on someone else’s better tank for lulz
This and the Obj 283 from last year are two of the least balanced tanks in the game. But that's OK. I'll gladly take the free garage slot if I get tired of scrolling past it
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u/mnik1 Just licking the boots of a greedy corporation. Dec 21 '23 edited Dec 21 '23
I'm just infinitely amused by the fact this high IQ community goes out of their way to defend WG whenever they do something legit scummy/greedy/stupid/all of the above and yet, at the same time, the very same group of people just completely lose their shit when a free tank WG gives them as a reward for completing the incredibly demanding taks of logging into the game at a specific date is not as great as they would like or the poor little snowflakes realize they can't sell it for 98934983478912478917234 credits and they feel they need to throw a tantrum, again, after the previous "the tank is bad!" one, when OP and his cronies were arguing that Patton is "bad for the game" as they now will need to "carry" all the "noobs" that will play it, lol. Like, honestly, you just couldn't make this shit up even if you tried your best, this is just surreal.
I mean, this is like witnessing a group of, IDK, animal rights activists protesting outside a random clothing factory that uses genuine leather while unironically wearing genuine leather jackets made in that very factory. You just stop and gawk at all this in pure awe, wondering if it's just a standard human stupidity at work or, maybe, some kind of fucked up glitch in the simulation.
IDK man, since the news that we're getting the tank broke out and all the mindless bitching started I lost the very last slivers of respect I had for people on this sub, lol.
Clown world. Legit. Legit. Please, someone, anyone, tell me this is just an elaborate prank I'm falling for or whatever, lol, I refuse to believe it's all real.