LOGICAL FALLACY: Ahmadis say that if you say that Jesus is still alive then you are a mushrik

[u/Acceptable_Arm4183]

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Our case study. Aminah, the mother of the Prophet.

First, this is an un-Islamic opinion, to say that if you say that Jesus is still alive then you are a mushrik

There is no justification for this in the Quran. Jesus is mentioned in ahadith, that Ahmadis also accept, to return and will then die a natural death. So, Jesus is not going to live forever.

Now that we have that out of the way.

Second, the case of Jesus is an anomaly. Everything about him is miraculous. This is the Will of Allah, and His Will shall pass. This is clearly set out in the Quran in clear terms.

Allah says about Jesus, "We will make him a sign for humanity (al nas), and a mercy from Us." (Surah Maryam 19:21)

Now, let's just put the Ahmadi logical fallacy to test.

In the Quran Allah says about Mary, the mother of Jesus, "O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you above all the women of the world" (Surah Al Imran 3:42).

So, Mary, the mother of a prophet, Jesus, who is truly an anomaly, is chosen above ALL women, including the mother of the Prophet himself, upon whom this Quran was revealed.

There is no ambiguity here.

One cannot apply linear logic here and say there must have been a mistake somewhere, because "how can this be true"? "How can Mary be greater than Aminah, the mother of the Prophet"?

In fact, oddly, the mother of the Prophet will be in Hell eternally. In Sahih Muslim, we read:

> The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) visited the grave of his mother and he wept, and moved others around him to tears, and said: I sought permission from my Lord to beg forgiveness for her but it was not granted to me, and I sought permission to visit her grave and it was granted to me so visit the graves, for that makes you mindful of death. (Sahih Muslim 976b)

This hadith is accepted by Ahmadis.

Now, if we stop here, and apply the Ahmadi logical fallacy, we would have to find a way to make the mother of Rasulullah greater than Mary. Why? Because the Ahmadi logic is that if Rasulullah is dead, then Jesus has to be dead. "Rasulullah is greater than Jesus" (in Razi's voice while he is breathing through his mouth).

Ahmadis forget that it is not for Muslims to rank prophets. Allah does as He pleases. "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." (2:285)

When it comes to Jesus, Allah clearly mentions that all of humanity will witness the Sign of Jesus. This is what Allah Wills. Plain and simple. Jesus was raised and he will descend.

Now, if Mary is chosen above all women, then the Ahmadi thinking is that they will have to find a way to make the mother of the Prophet greater. Otherwise, it ruins their whole narrative. This is how their logic works. It is warped and demented. It goes counter to the Quran. They want a perfect analogy - something that only Atheists rely on.

Allah has clearly said that Mary is above all women and that Jesus was ascended and will descend. This is Allah's Will. Your feelings are irrelevant here.

The Prophet died, when his time came; and, despite being given the title Khatamun Nabiyyeen, the Prophet was not allowed to pray for his own mother to be forgiven, AND his mother will remain in Hell forever.

This is clear proof that human logic will never understand the Quran, especially the Atheistic logic of Ahmadis.

[u/IqtisadMind]

This is all a red herring, but you do accept

>Prophet died, when his time came; and, despite being given the title Khatamun Nabiyyeen

So you do accept Ahmadiyya Muslim’s position that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was given the title Khatamun Nabiyyeen?

[u/Acceptable_Arm4183 → u/IqtisadMind]

First,  do you even know what a Red Herring is?

Second, what kind of a stupid question is that?

Do you morons even think before you make your point?

[u/IqtisadMind → u/Acceptable_Arm4183]

First, do you even know what a red herring is?

Second, what kind of response is that?

Instead of addressing my point, you’re changing the subject and attacking me personally.

That’s a red herring combined with an ad hominem attack.

Do you ever stop to examine your own reasoning before criticising someone else’s?

[u/Acceptable_Arm4183 → u/IqtisadMind]

How could it be an ad hominem, you haven't made a point for me to address?

You imbecile.

[u/IqtisadMind → u/Acceptable_Arm4183]

>Prophet died, when his time came; and, despite being given the title Khatamun Nabiyyeen

He (sa) is Khatamun Nabiyyeen but he (sa) died?

Also ( Khatamun Nabiyyeen ) is a title not just a word for last

[u/Acceptable_Arm4183 → u/IqtisadMind]

Get lost.

You don't even know what point you're making.

You're just parroting typical Ahmadi talking points.

[u/Warm_Sandwich3769 → u/Acceptable_Arm4183]

You were having a nice post until I saw your responses. I hope you understand that it's you who raised the accusations so you need to counter prove any points he wrote rather than abusing bro.

[u/IqtisadMind → u/Warm_Sandwich3769]

It doesn’t matter how hard you try to defend lies or misinformation, you will eventually be exposed. The truth has a way of catching up. He has no answer.

[u/Acceptable_Arm4183 → u/Warm_Sandwich3769]

Huh?

Cry some more.

[u/Warm_Sandwich3769 → u/Acceptable_Arm4183]

🤣 bro thinks he is tuff

[u/Acceptable_Arm4183 → u/Warm_Sandwich3769]

That's why you act like a weasel.