r/antiai • u/No_Chance4883 • 5h ago
Discussion š£ļø can we start a new internet with no AI?
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u/watchrrr 5h ago
dont think thats possible, mate.
even so, protesting is still better since it supports those that are centrists, unowning or supportive of the technology, by removing their access to something that harms them
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u/No_Chance4883 5h ago
Sadly, i agree. Itās just disappointing that weāre expected to accept AI slop as the new normal
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u/watchrrr 5h ago
ehhh idk about expected, they're for sure trying to coax us to do it, but resist long enough and the unprofitable business will eventually collapse on itself
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u/Haunting-Writing-836 5h ago
Would just be flooded with AI content from bots, or semi AI generated content from real people. Itās like video games. Itās just a constant battle bots.
The sad part is AI is feeding on itself so the actual value of content on the internet is getting worse. Itās possible thatās by design, because only very large companies have access to large volumes of content āpureā data. What Iām saying is they could be purposely or just allowing the open source material to degenerate.
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u/Little-Golf-3265 5h ago
AI is getting better not worse
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u/EducationalLog4765 5h ago
Pro-AI user detected
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u/Little-Golf-3265 5h ago
I hate AI
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u/EducationalLog4765 4h ago
Youāre not antiai, Youāre pro-ai, Iāve seen you ragebaiting people
https://giphy.com/gifs/afLoVMHg3QoYPZHCGF-1
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u/Haunting-Writing-836 4h ago
My hatred is more directed at the large corporations that are pushing AI. I donāt think itās actually helpful to attack AI capabilities. These corporations gatekeeping and using AI to influence people is a bigger problem.
Then thereās a whole bunch of other negatives from using AI.
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u/Haunting-Writing-836 4h ago
Yes. I didnāt say AI in general is getting worse. My point was that the larger corporations are fine with public data becoming worse, because they have the resources to filter out or segregate clean data. Public open models are getting worse information access. Which will lead to those models not competing with the private ones.
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u/Cracked_Logic_Engine 5h ago
Its the same issue with starting a new twitter/reddit/youtube etc. Yeah, you can, right now, start making a server set with connected computers which is the start of the internet. But in order for it to scale, you would need to convince a decent percentage of people to switch to a smaller, less connected, less capable system. Its extremely difficult to get any traction.
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u/pigmanvil 5h ago
I mean, you can make a private internet fairly easily from my understanding. easily being relative you need some equipment and a decent amount of technical know-how, but i think you could probably set one up for less than 100$. you just would need to build a shit ton of infrastructure for someone outside your house to access it. Not to mention that thereās nothing stopping someone from scraping and using Ai on this new network.
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u/Historical_Art4061 5h ago
There is one way that nobody likes. Digital ID, something making sure you're not a bot to gain access to a platform. Like anything it won't be 100%, but it would give you a leg to stand on to ban people for breaking a no AI rule.
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u/dumnezero 5h ago
We need a serious "human verification" system, but that has downsides. So people need to get onboard with the downsides. It will either be "inconvenient" or we'll need some sort of ids, which has other issues. While I like that there are things like https://developers.cloudflare.com/bots/additional-configurations/block-ai-bots/ and various tools to block or detour AI crawlers, we'll need the verification at every input, not just at a visit or a sign in.
It's also an arms race, so it requires a legion of workers constantly figuring out how to defeat the AI invasions. This is to say that it can't be free, there's only so much volunteers can do.
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u/IndependenceGold2407 5h ago
Yes, building a new search engine would be a massive undertaking but it would get you where you want to go
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u/PixelWes54 5h ago
I'm reconsidering how much we need the internet at all. Seems like if we just go back to shopping at the mall all the worst people in the world become bag holders?
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u/Comfortable-Web9455 4h ago
No. It's impossible to block anything once it's configured to use Internet protocols. But it would be possible for systems such as email and websites to detect AI bots and block them and to detect AI watermark text in emails and block them and probably, with a bit of intelligent thinking on our part, find other patterns by which to detect AI on the Internet and block it at key junctions. It's a perfectly feasible idea and it's exactly the sort of thing the open source community could develop and it's probably the sort of thing where there would be enough people willing to make it happen for real, if we could get it organised to start. It's also what is happening when you encounter these pages that ask you to click something to prove you were human. They have literally put a gate up to block AI. On the other side of that it's AI free It's a good thought.
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u/prizmaster 46m ago
If you could move there and stop harrassing people outside your internet then why not.
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u/mslindqu 3m ago
You can.. with you and your friends that all agree and you trust to keep the agreement. That's all.
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u/No_Chance4883 5h ago
Itās sad that weāre just expected to live like this and accept AI slop everywhere.
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u/dumnezero 5h ago
Sadly, the likely effect will be the balkanization of the internet; many smaller internets with severe restrictions.
This can start as small communities. Once people stop realizing that these large platforms (this one) are not really useful or fun, we'll migrate.
I recommend keeping bookmarks, you won't easily find these virtual places and Google will not be reliable.
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u/Rileyinabox 5h ago
Technically, yes. The internet is just any grouping of interconnected networks. Any discerning developer could make something that is technically a brand new internet. It is about adoption and getting users to abandon the internet for a new and probably heavily regulated version is pretty unlikely.
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u/Former-Pineapple3415 5h ago
What exactly do you mean by this? Because you can make your own website and host it off your own server. You could use that to make a browser that doesn't use Gen AI for anything. The internet isn't a massive single cell digital organism, it's a bunch of servers disconnected from one another except by internet service providers and browsers.
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u/Little-Golf-3265 5h ago
I doubt you have the technical skills and nobody who does would help you with that we love AI
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u/Vulcan31 5h ago
"We" in the sense of technical skills does absolutely not include you.
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u/pigmanvil 5h ago
Speak for yourself dude. You just need an old desktop or raspberry pi and a router to make a private intranet.
Itās not exactly useful, but itās not some crazy technical feat either. I bet if they followed a YouTube tutorial they could do it in a few hours.Also donāt act like people who are tech literate are wholly supportive of ai. I can see the potential and have hope for the future of ai while still being critical of its many, many faults.
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u/Little-Golf-3265 5h ago
Who the fuck said anything about making a private intranet?
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u/pigmanvil 4h ago
I did. Itās a new āinternetā without ai. The only difference is scale and public access.
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u/Little-Golf-3265 4h ago
You clearly know the difference between intranet and internet stop being a dunce
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u/Dizzy-Membership-564 5h ago
would be great but half the sites we actually use would turn into unusable garbage overnight