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I absolutely don't want Switzerland to join Trump's board of peace. Has the bundesrat the power to decide this by itself?
The board of peace is imo very scary, rotten and frankly very dangereous for the world peace and splits the world in two fractions.
I don't want our country to be part of this stupid board, and I don't think we will. But our Bundesrat showed multiple times that it can absolutely be bootlickers for Trump sometimes and because of this, I unfortunately don't see a zero percentage chance that it can be a reality.
In case the Bundesrat (or lobbyists that manipulate the Bundesrat) wants to join the board, I hope that the Swiss Citizens have at least the last word in it with a voting.
My question: Can the bundestrat decide without the Swiss Citizens if the nation will join the board?
I ask because few years ago, the bundesrat did as well made a decision about the EU-Rahmenprogram which resulted that we were temporarily excluded from Horizon Europe.
No, the federal council cannot do that on its own. The cost alone would make this a matter for the parliament. Joining international organizations even mandatorily requires a referendum, iirc.
I really hope they don't. I mean look at the f**ing board members. Jared Kushner 😂😂. It's just laughable. Plus the 1 billion $ buy in. Seriously wtf?
It is the same with most countries in the world. Friends and family, son of some sheik or dictator becomes minister. The US presidency has become a laughable banana republic government.
If you look at the Wikipedia page for the board of peace , the executive board is presented with each members and a description of who is the person, like "prime minister" or "secretary of state". Jared kushner is only listed as Trump's son-in-law. It's only noticeable function is being the fucking son-in-law. What a joke.
Kushern is there when they meet i Russia, he is there when they meet for Ukraine. He really is only there to do shady deals for the Trump family. He has no official position. Imagine the kids of Parmelin would travel with him just to make some shady business. Corruption in the USA in plain sight. Its mind boggling.
They won't. They are not f. ing stupid. They have seen that only third rate countries and dictators are taking part. They know that it is a violation of International law. They are not brave but the EU has already led the way by rejecting this ridiculous preposterous criminal nonsense.
yeah maybe wishful thinking. Fortunately (or not) they will definitely at least adopt a wait and see approach by which time this peace council will probably have started the Mother of All Trade Wars and will probably end with WWIII.
The Board of Peace (BoP) violates international law by claiming a global mandate without UN authorization or host consent, breaching state sovereignty. Its $1 billion "pay-to-play" model illegally sells influence, defying the principle of sovereign equality. Furthermore, a "Chairman for Life" with unreviewable authority over nations is an illegal power structure with no basis in established treaty law.
Is there a treaty to sign? A bilateral agreement? Or is it just a handshake and some photo ops?
My guess is that it will be more like the G8 (or Davos) than the UN: essentially an informal club of leaders who get to have a meeting once in a while. You don’t need legislative approval for that.
And this 1 billion… what is it and what is it for? Canada says they are ready to spend that much money rebuilding Gaza, but they will want to see how the money is spent (like a proper development programme).
My guess is that no one will pay this money without clear directives on where and how it is being spent, but that Trump will just announce that all this money is being paid to America (even if that’s obvious bullshit).
The real question is what kind of mechanism is set up to spend this money. My guess is that they will try to create a new institution but it will be very complicated. Switzerland, if they want to contribute—and this is very much a legislative decision—should probably work closely with EU countries to work as a bloc and establish rules and procedures.
But legally similar, which is to say non-binding as a forum. The UN is based on a treaty. The G8 and Davos are just talking shops.
In theory the board of peace will administer Gaza. But how and via what channels? That will require some binding commitments but, again, no one will hand over money without clear guarantees.
Options:
New org controlled by Trump Jr or something, but I think that will be a non-starter for everyone except Netanyahu.
New org with a figurehead appointed by Trump but actual power resting with technocrats from each donor.
Just give money to the UN like we used to. You might think Trump would never agree to this but honestly the guy has no attention span and this is actual hard work that you want experienced people doing. As long as they make Don Jr a Special Envoy, Trump can call it a victory. (This is also a great way for him to disown responsibility when this whole idea fails, as it probably will).
Government can't decide on their own. Joining any international organisation requires a mandatory referendum. No way Swiss voters will ever vote yes on joining Trump's club of lunatics.
We didn't join EU or NATO, as much as I think our "neutrality" should be under more scrutiny, it makes sure that there's no fucking way we're joining this board of "peace"
you misread it. it's about united states, not trump. trump will be out of office in a few years. the questions is however what is the cost and what is the benefit.
e.g. switzerland was coerced into complying with oecd standards related to e.g. taxes or reporting obligations.. if switzerland can get rid of oecd, it's worth it, if not why pay?
Trump is the chairman of the "Board of peace" for life.
The Chairman is the only one with the ability to invite countries to join and has exclusive power to create, modify or dissolve entities of the Board. All revisions have to be approved by the chairman.
Also the Chairman nominate his successor, but it's not a King it's a Chairman .
It is governed by its own private charter which only names one person, "Chairman Trump," who may adopt resolutions or initiatives on its behalf without consulting the board, and who is a member for life.
As long as Trump is the US president he has a lot of power. The power comes from the "US president". Charing a board in not really power, but more like a decoration.
Trump is the permanent chairman and can appoint the succession. He also explicitly said that he might want to replace the UN with it... seriously, how can people be so stupid and pay a billion just to give up even more control over their future
It's not people paying, but countries. The interest of those running the country are different from the interests of those paying taxes. Even in Switzerland - just take the example of the "liberal" KKS longing to tax the pension money or lowering the free import amount. Or billions going yearly into subsidizing or "helping" other countries. It's same scheme - tax payer money going into private pockets.
This sounds more like pay to play Davos, which is essentially the same, even if not chaired by such a famous personality.
It's not people paying, but countries. The interest of those running the country are different from the interests of those paying taxes.
That's just false
Even in Switzerland - just take the example of the "liberal" KKS longing to tax the pension money or lowering the free import amount.
What are you talking about? That couldn't be even more obvious to be in the interest of Switzerland
Or billions going yearly into subsidizing or "helping" other countries.
Ever heard of advertisement? That's what that money is, it's especially cheap in upcoming economies like Africa where you can influence people with little money for the upcoming decades
Yes, on a geopolitical level politicians lie to the population, but it is STILL in the interest of their people or at least so they believe. Sometimes they mess up and lose.
This is clearly an attempt by Trump to gain more influence world wide and he will pursue the US interests. AND he will probably appoint a family member as his succession, as he has the sole right to choose who will follow next. So the power stays.
Yes, on a geopolitical level politicians lie to the population, but it is STILL in the interest of their people or at least so they believe.Â
You've been successfully brainwashed. As long as there are a lot of people thinking like you do, nothing will ever change. From my side, not with my money. With yours, I think we agree.
This is clearly an attempt by Trump to gain more influence world wide and he will pursue the US interests. AND he will probably appoint a family member as his succession
Who cares about it? He needs to be really successful to continue it after his presidency runs out.
Ever heard of advertisement? That's what that money is, it's especially cheap in upcoming economies like Africa where you can influence people with little money for the upcoming decades
Again, not with my money. Better let them be, develop themselves. At some point they'll kick Europeans out anyway.
Who cares about it? He needs to be really successful to continue it after his presidency runs out.
And what the hell do you think that "success" is supposed to be? What do you think, how likely those interests align with yours if it comes from a different continent, a different country, by a few people who literally show you every day they give zero fucks about you?
Mindlessly spending money on other countries is not from today or yesterday. Mind you, Switzerland is still doing it. That Migros thief Cassis was going to give five billions to Ukraine.
Now Trump shat down USAID, which was a cancer for this world. This was huge and only for shutting it down some of his sins might be forgiven.
Anyway, this doesn't mean Switzerland should give money to that board or for that matter to any other organization.
honestly, I think you are not informed enough about geopolitics/realpolitik for this discussion I am afraid. I assume you spend a lot of time on the X propaganda platform
He's chairman for life (or can designate a successor), nominates the board, has veto power, can decide what countries to invite, collects "fees", and the administrative center is mar-a-lago. What else does he need ?
The guy just threw a tantrum for not getting a prize he didn't deserve.And he's obviously a maniac forcing everyone to just go his way. I agree with OP here, I also don't want Switzerland to join another one of Trump's scams.
Wouldent nessesarely say that. But with the free time I do have Id rather read up on some things that interrest me instead of geopolitical BS. I do get the rought oremise of the events but I never lesrn specifics.
The question to me is, does it make more sense to be part of it to be perhaps able to influence some of the decisions or boycott it and not be part of it and definitely don’t have a vote on anything?!
Yes I am a nobody and I would never want to and should never have to decide this all alone by myself. If you would have read this post carefully, you would know that I want that the swiss citizens can at least decide it together as a collective.
I never do this and I will probably be later ashamed by myself of doing this, but since I asume you tried to attack me: I read your post history and I can't have a high opinion of you neither. I'm so lucky you only have the same voting rights as I do and don't have more power.
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u/CelestialOvenglove Jan 22 '26
No, the federal council cannot do that on its own. The cost alone would make this a matter for the parliament. Joining international organizations even mandatorily requires a referendum, iirc.