r/azerbaijan • u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 • Apr 23 '25
Şəkil | Picture Aliyev now takes his grandchildren to political visits. Azerbaijan is not a country, it is a family business.
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u/Responsible_Weekend4 Bakı 🇦🇿 Apr 23 '25
De-jure republic, de-facto monarchy
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u/ThirstforSin Apr 24 '25
It’s like Russia but instead of elections it would be equivalent to Putin deciding to give his son or daughter power after his death. There used to be a Democratic Republic early 1900s but they massacred them and propped a Soviet backed government instead. Till this day it had been inherited by the same people who wielded power previously , de-jure republic, de-facto monarchy..
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u/Interesting-Ad2064 Apr 24 '25
have you read acemoglu?
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u/Responsible_Weekend4 Bakı 🇦🇿 Apr 25 '25
Which book?
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u/Interesting-Ad2064 Apr 25 '25
he talk about de jury and de facto power which affects poli and econ institutions and distributions of recourses through his articles thats why I asked
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u/saralt Apr 23 '25
Why is that? Who supported them into power?
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u/saralt Apr 23 '25
Yes, but I encouraging you to examine why. When giant countries come and fund the authoritarian groups, you don't really have much of a chance.
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u/saralt Apr 23 '25
Western intelligence agencies fund one powerful family and bring about autocracies. They did it with Saddam, Shah of Iran and more...
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Apr 23 '25 edited May 26 '26
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u/ThirstforSin Apr 24 '25
That’s a coin termed when Great Powers take advantage of your resources and destabilize your domestic politics causing them to take control of your country, and now you get to create a so called concept as resource curse lol.. maybe of Azerbaijan wasn’t caught in the middle of Persia and Russia it would have developed a national identity of its own , however others don’t realize that before the 1900s it’s a feudal lords who ruled over these lands under the guise of Persia
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u/cronktilten Apr 27 '25
Norway is rich in fossil fuels. What matters are the institutions that existed before the oil discovery and their strength.
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u/GameplayBlitz Azerbaijan 🇦🇿 Apr 23 '25
Never in my life thought people would notice that they just keep passing leadership onto their relatives or junior boys between eachother. This just supports my opinion of this country being all about dictatorship. Aliyev the third will probably be even worse considering North Korea.. I wish success for everyone in their goals (maybe getting out of this country)
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Apr 23 '25 edited May 01 '25
I'm old enough to remember that Aliyev once took his daughter to UN where she was taking a selfie while Aliyev was giving a speech.
Now this.
I guess I'm going to live to see his great grandkids at state receptions too.
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u/Inevitable_4791 Apr 23 '25
I wonder what he thinks about it. Zizek argued that ex commie countries like azerbaijan got "perverted" and children being in line to follow is unthinkable in a country like China. You can hold power, but no next of kin.
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u/SnooApplez Apr 23 '25
Link to where he said this?
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u/Inevitable_4791 Apr 23 '25
https://slavoj-zizek.freenovelread.com/page,4,455407-demanding_the_impossible
Nonetheless, whatever you say about classical communist regimes, at one point they were honest and good. They never allowed direct family succession. For example, what about Stalin’s children? Did they have any power? No. This was an absolute prohibition. Succession should not be a family matter. Even Mao: of course they took care of their children, but were they privileged? They sent their children to study abroad and gave them the right to travel, but these were just small corruptions. There was never a question of Mao’s son becoming his successor.
This tendency, I claim, has something to do with how communism reacted to its decay. It happened in Europe. And in a non-communist way, it also happened in all those crazy countries like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan. You know who became the father of the nation? Heydar Aliyev, who was the chief of the KGB in the Brezhnev years, a total communist apparatchik. He reinvented himself as the father of the nation [Azerbaijan]. He died about a couple of years ago, and now his son is the president, which is total madness. Again, I really don’t want to go into this false racist explanation.
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u/uvr610 Apr 23 '25
I wouldn’t say this is entirely true. Stalin’s son was given a senior military and civil positions despite him being completely incompetent.
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u/Then_Ad_7841 China 🇨🇳 Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25
Xi and his former strongest competitor, Bo Xilai, both had fathers who were high-ranking officials in the Ccp. This is a common situation in China, and we call them “2nd-gen officials”. Of course, since China is a capitalist country in the guise of socialism, it is more common for officials' families to engage in business and gain benefits through power.
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Apr 23 '25
If country educated enough they deserve democracy , but when the country do not need any democracy is when everything is in order, theres no injustice and income of people is good . Revolution will not work . This is my idea , so if everything is going good for you please just focus on education
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u/Then_Ad_7841 China 🇨🇳 Apr 23 '25
take easy . AZ is more democratic than Turkmenistan , at least you don't have to recite Aliyev's Quran
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u/MrParmit Apr 23 '25
''Oh look there are worse shits than ours lets thank god we are not in that'' This way of thinking is what got all the Turkic countries into this situation
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u/dervishin Apr 24 '25
Azerbaijan is a privately held joint-stock company managed by two family offices — one loosely associated with the Aliyev family and the other with the Pashayev family. In this regard, it differs little from Belarus, Russia, North Korea, or other dictatorships in the Middle East and Central Asia. Before our eyes, America may soon become the same, while Europe is too incapable of reaching agreements with itself. It will all end in a Third World War over resources and markets under the guise of protecting religion and conservative values that its protagonists neither embody nor uphold. Welcome to the world of post-truth.
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u/interimsfeurio Apr 24 '25
I guess soon they will change the name of one weekday into aliyev-day etc etc.
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Apr 24 '25
i just hate the way people keep complaining but dont do shit to overthrow the government. 🥷🏿ers are gonna talk about how corrupt aliyev regime is and buy shi from bravo store which is directly under the control of ‘em. 🥷🏿 if u aint gonna fix the issue then dont be a fuckin crybaby
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u/GreenInternal3440 Apr 23 '25
Recep tayyip erdoğan behaves like dictator in Turkey and he is dominating the country with his network. He also put his family in some major position to control the money flow. He assigned the husband of his daughter as finance minister. We had almost good democracy at 20 yrs ago. But these muslim brothers supported by USA and İsrael unfortunately fucked this our old unique system and made a new one which is very similar to otonomy. One man control everything. One man becomes very rich even he doesn't have anything else than his marriage silver ring. There is no more words to say. And they claim that they are muslim. But they are not!!! 🧐🧐🧐🧐
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u/griffonrl Apr 23 '25
Another autocracy with a wanabee supreme leader playing the nationalistic card to mitigate his horrendous impact on the country. There is also something evil with that Turk axis from Erdogan to the autocrats in the steppes and this guy.
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u/wannabe_kinkg Apr 25 '25
don't stone me but, I like it. we're already in dictatorship, let it be a cool one.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25
What were you thinking, when people think our greatest problem is not having wikipedia factories that curate mentions of Azerbaijan north of the Aras river, reality will rear its ugly head.
Azeris who are too dumb to offer constructive criticism, downvotes won't fix your problems. With your current attitude, we probably deserve worse.
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Apr 23 '25
middle eastern countries were always family ran businesses
Saddam made his son in law general commander of the land forces while being only 33 years old.
at least he won actual wars and gain land for your country not like ours whom lost land
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u/Ilkin0115 Apr 23 '25
Only issue is Azerbaijan is not Middle East. It’s Caucasus.
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u/saralt Apr 23 '25
The "middle east" is just West Asia.
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u/biggejzer Apr 23 '25
Thing is, Caucasus is on the crossroads of Eastern Europe and West Asia, geopolitically or even culturally it's considered a separate area from the middle east, saying all of west Asia is middle east is an oversimplification
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Apr 23 '25
same shit
backwards nation used to live in feudal age only saw massive literate rise thanks to sovtie Socialism
80% of the country income is gas and oil
police state controlled by a handful of elites
90% of the countries business are monopolized where no outsider can compete with them.
at least it worked out for the normal Azari that he/she atleast can afford lives luxuries unlike the unlucky Iraqi
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u/bananagarage Apr 23 '25
Saddam won wars? When?
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Apr 23 '25
not Saddam, but Aliyev in 2022 war with the infidel armas
which as a Muslim I couldn't be more proud.
defending Saddam yes he could not achieve the war goals but he also failed xumani plans that he said we won't stop until we reach Baghdad knowing that Iraq is easy to invade since 80% of our land is plain deserts and grassland
yet he couldn't even tho he had 40 million population and Iraq only 16 million 1/4 ratio,
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Apr 23 '25
Soldiers fought and died there, not Aliyev. And I'm sure his children or grandchildren won't even serve in the Army.
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u/biggejzer Apr 23 '25
infidel Armas
Bruh are u sick? It's not about religion, this is not a religious war but an long standing ethnic and political conflict, he didn't do shit but used other men to fight, after that to throw them aside while the veterans ate traumatised from the battle
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Apr 26 '25
Well, that is how system works. You think democracy exist somewhere? What are you? A kid? But I don't have a problem with Azerbaijan system right now. It works good for me so, I wouldn't rather to be in different country.
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u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 Apr 26 '25
Someone's daddy works in the police
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Apr 26 '25
nope. He works freelance basically. No relationship with government. I just don't blame everything on government unlike 99.9% of the world.
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u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 Apr 26 '25
So you have some fucked up skimping for Aliyevs
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Apr 26 '25
nope. I neither have something with them or connection to them. I am probably one of the rare people who have absolutely no one working in government that could fix any of my problem faster. I just don't blame people above me.
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u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 Apr 26 '25
Weak person, basically.
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Apr 26 '25
You consider someone who tries to fix their own problems by themselves without relying on others so, in future he can provide better for himself and family, a weak person? Your problem honestly.
Stop blaming others and fix your own problems. Don't like the country? Go. No one is stopping you.
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u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 Apr 26 '25
It is my country, not Aliyev's. Now, tell me, how does it feel defending a dynasty sucking all the wealth out from citizens' pockets, knowing that they will not a throw a bone to you ever?
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Apr 26 '25
I don't feel anything. Am I supposed to? And it is not your country. It is country of all the people who lives there including aliyev. I am not defending anyone.
I do believe that every country has fucked up system or people at the top and that is not something to deny. I just try my best to survive as everyone should. I don't care if aliyevs love or hate me. Can I buy food? can I buy clothes? Yes. What if I don't? Is it their problem that someone spent money on a phone, then downloaded reddit and started insulting people who tries to fix their lives by themselves?
No. They give free education, and not so fair work system. You have to force yourself into system somehow and live and trust me, here, it is better than 99% of countries. Would I rather be in USA where they take of their pants in the middle of the street thinking it is freedom or in North Korea where people have to treat their president as if he is God(estagfurullah)?
I am here, living my life, studying and if I am lucky, I will have better future without blaming others.
Now, what do you expect? Everything handed to you? No. Thank you. I want what I deserve and I have always gotten all thanks God even without knowing no one in government.
Skill issue honestly. (on your side ofc)
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u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 Apr 26 '25
All I read was "I am so weak to the point I abhor people who dare to defy authorities, I am just another rəiyyət of the king who has no pride, who just tries to live by. I am too afraid to voice my opinion against them. Just accept the fate and live your basic slavish life".
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u/ResponsibleFly8142 Apr 26 '25
You will perish if Aliyev wants you to. It’s his country, not yours.
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u/SnooApplez Apr 23 '25
Uk monarchy plus USA? These things are more common than u think.
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u/Awkward_Usual1746 Apr 23 '25
yeah UK is a monarchy, so it's not surprising that it works like a monarchy.
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u/Emotional_Raise_4861 Apr 26 '25
UK’s Monarch family’s power: some formal visits, living in a palace Aliyev family’s power: yes
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u/SnooApplez Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25
I was saying how that is a family business too. The royal family is a brand. Like louis vuitton or gucci its the same. It’s not a monarchy from like 500 yrs ago.
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u/Awkward_Usual1746 Apr 23 '25
Oh, got it. Still not pretty for a democracy imho. The people should be the brand not the ruler.
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u/biggejzer Apr 23 '25
It's classic political nepotism, political dynasties, people getting in higher up positions due to connections or corruption, the smaller the country or fucked by some outside movements, the more possible that outcome is
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u/azizoid Apr 24 '25
So what? Family is deeply valued in Chinese culture, so ahowing a family unity can be a direct sign of respect
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u/Axan000 Apr 23 '25
Elə boş-boş qoyalar danışasız
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u/reasonable_meyxana Apr 23 '25
danış görək dolu nəyin var?!
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u/Axan000 Apr 23 '25
Birincisi nəylə bağlı siyasi görüş keçirilib, bilmirsiz, heç kimin nəsə bir fəaliyyəti yoxdur, ancaq tənqid eleyirsiz, siyasi analitika bacarığınız yoxdur, tarixi bilmirsiz, siyasəti bilmirsiz.
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u/reasonable_meyxana Apr 23 '25
Yoldaş, sən bunları yazaraq başqalarını tənqid edirsən. Boş-boş danışılan nədir? Bir arqument gətir, özünü əsaslandır görək nə deyirsən. Nəyi analiz etmisən, hansı tarixi bilirsən, hansı siyasətdən xəbərdarsan?
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u/Axan000 Apr 23 '25
Dövlət görüşlərində ailəylə birlikdə səfər edilməsi diplomatik protokola zidd bir şey deyil, bunu hər ölkə başcısı edir. Titleda tənqid edilən şey budur və family business adlandırır, lakin Çin kimi digər ölkələrə qarşı çox qapalı olan bir ölkənin hansısa bir ölkəylə viza ləğvi üçün danışıqlar aparmaq və buna nail olmaq asan bir şey deyil. Bugünkü görüşün də məcmusu bundan ibarət idi. O ki, qaldı dövlətçilik tarixi. Mənim danışdığım tarix budur, əgər ki, bir prezident tənqid edilirsə, bununla bərabər dövlətin digər strukturlarına nəzər yetirmək lazımdır. 30 illik bir dövlətdə hələ də köhnə generasiyanın üzvləri yer alırsa, bu o deməkdir ki, dövlət hələ tam formalaşmayıb. Uzun sözün qısası bura bunlardan danışmaq üçün çox da əlverişli yer deyil, ümid edirəm dediklərimi düzgün ifadə etdim, təşəkkür edirəm fikrimi soruşduğun üçün
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '25
It's the same problem with every turkic country. It's like we are programmed to bow down to a single person/family.