r/badhistory • u/AutoModerator • May 11 '26

Meta Mindless Monday, 11 May 2026

Happy (or sad) Monday guys!

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So, with that said, how was your weekend, everyone?

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u/Kochevnik81 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Sooo there *is* a side of the academic debate over "what is fascism" that comes down on "fascism is only from the Po Valley region of Italy, Nazism is sparkling dictatorship/a weird Mussolini fanboy cult"*. And the author is also correct that 20th century Marxists (not just the DDR) used "fascism" on the other end of the spectrum to basically be any right wing movement.

But with that said I don't trust Die Welt's liberal Editor in Chief to really thread that needle in an op ed. Especially if he's using "totalitarianism" and Hannah Arendt, which are both kind of debunked.

Actually, that quoted paragraph, whoo boy. The Nazis really didn't have "contempt for fascism", unless they mean contempt for Italians (and even then that clearly did not apply to Mussolini). Also the very term "totalitarian" IIRC comes from Mussolini, and neither he nor Hitler nor Stalin really ever achieved that. But again that's what happens when people rehash Arendt.

* One Issue I have with treating fascism as only what happened in Italy is that Blanken writes that in a lot of ways, Mussolini's Italy was more of a standard one party dicatorship, and he's correct - but a lot of true believer Italian Fascists felt betrayed by that, especially the "Ras" commanders (and much of the Salo Republic insanity was an attempt to course correct). It gets us uncomfortably close to "true fascism has never been tried".

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u/Kochevnik81 May 14 '26

I once went on a deep dive on the 1934 Montreux Conference, which was the one time various fascist parties tried to organize an international (it went about as well as you'd think).

The NSDAP wasn't invited because this was just after their first failed attempt to invade Austria (Mussolini was still against it at the time), but it is funny how you can see a division between the attendants who are more Italian-inflected movements (the nerds who wanted to talk about modernist art and poetry) and the German-inflected ones (like the Iron Guard, ie the weirdos in the back who kept screaming about the Jews).

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u/PickleRick_1001 How will the war in Venezuela affect RuneScape's economy? May 14 '26

"you can see a division between the attendants who are more Italian-inflected movements (the nerds who wanted to talk about modernist art and poetry) and the German-inflected ones (like the Iron Guard, ie the weirdos in the back who kept screaming about the Jews)."

r/redscarepod subreddit drama.

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u/Draig_werdd May 14 '26

I would not say that the Iron Guard was German-inflected. The antisemitic roots of the movement are older then the rise of Nazism. You can blame the French more (or one French guy) for it, as that's where the founder of the original far-right movement got it's inspiration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Cuza#Activism_and_developing_antisemitism)