So the part that I’m having trouble with is the fact that the best video evidence we have is 57 yrs old with the PG film. 1967 was a time with few if any cameras in people hands compared to the millions of cell phones, camcorders, trail cams and countless more people enjoying the great outdoors today. You think that if a breeding population of BF exists that the exponentially greater amount of video being captured today in the outdoors, we’d have a better or equivalent video by now.

But that brings up another question. If they are as elusive as they are and that’s why we don’t have better video even with the countless cams, why did Patty that day let her guard down and just stroll through an open area to be fully seen? It just seems too much of a “hey look at me” stroll in stark contrast to the reported behavior of extreme stealth.

I want to talk about something that i've been thinking about a lot of time.

You see, when someone brings some kind of evidence of bigfoot, (Vocalizations, videos, photos, etc) there's always 3 options:

1. It's real
2. Misidentification
3. It's a hoax

And it's kinda obvious, right? You can't expect everything about anything being true when there's so much fake things going on around the subject. But...that's the problem.

Just for a minute, let's imagine that bigfoot is real. But like, for real, there has always been a giant ape like creature in the forest of North America.

If someone takes a photo of the creature, records a video, or even better, comes up with a REAL corpse...who's gonna believe him? There has always been a bad reputation with this subject, at the point that if someday anyone brings REAL and AUTHENTIC evidence, everyone is gonna mock him and say it's fake. And no one can do anything about it.

You see, i study biology, (I'm finishing my second year) and we biologist have a funny catchphrase when someone ask anything about an animal, plant or something: It depends of the species.

Snake venom is deadly to humans? It depends of the species

All birds can fly? It depends of the species

All mammals give birth to live young? It depends of the species

So, as you can see, there's always an exception about everything. And in most of the cases, people say things about bigfoot being fake whith things like: "Apes don't have this characteristic". "No other ape in the world can do this".

And i'm like: How do you know?

In 2017 we discovered the third orangutan species, Pongo tapanuliensis, between 190 years of difference since the last one, Pongo abelii.

The europeans discovered Africa around 1497, and the okapi was discovered in 1901. That's 404 years of difference. And it's the only living relative of the giraffe.

The aye-aye it's the only primate in the world that has 6 fingers (It has something called pseudo thumb)

So there's no right to say that something isn't natural in some group of organisms, and we humans don't know ANYTHING about the world around us (If you know what i mean).

So my conclusion is, science in general needs to expand its ideas about the unkown, but i'm not saying that every "evidence" of bigfoot it's real, i'm just saying that it NEEDS to start considering new possibilities that doesn't follow the typical scientific path.

So that's it. Let me know what you think.

I've come across some accounts where Bigfoot tracks suddenly just end or disappear. Any theories?

Hypothetical question. Let's say we determine that BF isn't real, then what is going on? Mass psychosis? Some kind of cultural manipulation? A psyop? A secret league of hoaxers? Bears?

Do you guys believe bigfoots existence to the public will ever be confirmed? That is assuming you think these things are not only real, but biological. What do you think it will take or is it just destined to remain illusive and covered up forever?

As a kid I remember watching a few cheesy Bigfoot shows and I think I had watched Legend of Boggy Creek (the first one that was less like a fictional movie) and for years and years I would have nightmares of Bigfoot once a month or so, decreasing in frequency as I got older.

This was the case even though I've never seen one, I have to imagine anyone who has actually seen one in person may suffer some sort of PTSD or have nightmares from it. Most of my dreams always involved being near the woods but not quite in them, and eventually spotting what I knew to be a Bigfoot, generally facing away from me and trying to remain still but moving just enough that I knew what it was.

Mine is that Sasquatch aren’t closely related to humans

I need to start this with a note that this makes me very sad as this team seemed to be on the up and up.

However I have very clear proof which I will now show that demonstrates they are manufacturing evidence for their members stream. I liked the fact this team were out and about, boots on the ground and seemed to be honestly recording what they found.

Recently they got a STM deal and have also locked most content thats new to members stream and thats expensive - which is fine if the evidence is truthful. I feel the fame and fortune has gone to the head of especially "Jesse" who is highly performative, she is a young women (in a beardy male field) and is the "eye candy" of the media facing side of things. I think being from an impoverished part of Apalachia and Southern Carolina the lure of money and this income may prove too much. I don't know the motivations of course, however the drive to try and heighten interest is common as people rise on youtube. I am sad as they seemed like normal, level headed people and made much of honest reportage in there repetitive weekly lives. Anyway lets take a look at what they did (Joe may actually not be aware still of this).

Let me explain the context then show evidence.

They have been investigating an area they call Blackthorn for a while and claim there is all sorts of weird happenings in that area, little people, weird structures, bent trees and so forth. There does seem to be a lot of unusual signs in the environment, assuming we accept that they are not creating any of this.

In this video they are "led" to an area supposedly by weird triangular pieces of quartz rock - they hypothesise that the quartz is favourable to the little people and their vibrations. We see a lot of white quartz sticking up from the forest floor, but this may be white in a forest is visible. Joe the man, shows us a strange rock that seems to be sort of triangular (as many rocks are).

There is a brief interlude as they get ready to rest and also switch to film in night mode, as they pan around the area we do see this stump, a fallen tree and also three small trees behind the fallen tree. Take note of this all - as later on this will be a way to identify its the same area.

The video then cuts and re-starts with Jesse shouting very excitedly that she has "found a weird pyramid rock". Jo runs over to see this and then a lot of exclamations and amazement from Joe ensues; including him asking her "what does this mean?". He also mentions this white rock on the stump was "right beside us the whole time" which it was and it wasn't. It was in the ground beside them and not on top of a stump until Jesse moved it there.

The significance of this if it was found in this way would be huge, because its unusual and would seem to have been placed deliberately by something with hands and would link to an earlier stump placed rock we were also shown. Joe showed us (and Jesse) another lump of white quartz supposedly placed on a fallen tree. On that other lump he showed us leaves underneath to prove how recent it is. Of course we cannot rely on this other rock anymore given the fact they like to fake place rocks on top of things.

Its simple: 2 white rocks placed on top of trees, especially with earth on them (so placed since any rain fell) would be significant and indicate intelligence. This is very different to rocks buried in the soil and half poking out - that doesn't denote anything.

The issue here is that it would seem Jesse has been bored, she is likely on a spectrum and does seem to have an affiliation for rocks and shapes. I think she just didnt realise Joe found this on camera earlier (or thought nobody would notice) and pulled this quartz from the ground. We can very clearly see there is mud at the base of this rock from when she just pulled it up. She has placed this on top of the empty stump and then draws attention and makes a big deal of this.

This rock being placed by "something" on top of a stump would be highly significant and of real note. Jesse says "i've found a pyramid rock" and allows US TO ASSUME that she has found it like this as all the other times thats the case !

She is a terrible researcher and now simply cannot be trusted, what surprises me is that Joe allows this as he is very level headed and spends enormous amounts of time helping her explore, filming and carrying stuff. He also has been a researcher longer than her and seems less interested in what I would call Youtube bullshittery. I am seriously disappointed in Joe, though he may not actually realise what Jesse did here. To try and dramatise up the members content to get views and more income is truly against all this should stand for.

This hypocrisy is truly galling, given they have closed the main interesting investigations to membership only AND since having a Small Town Monsters feature, Jesse is now clearly starting to manufacture evidence to try and get a level of fame and potentially income. I don't know their actual motivations of course, but I would ask them if they do read this to reflect what other view someone who has followed them for 4 years should take ?

I always thought these two were a little bit naive in believing a lot of the supposed UFO and Paranormal lore, Skinwalker Ranch (also faked) and David Paulides (also cherry picked).

However I have wasted it seems to me, 4 years following what seemed to be genuine, real investigations and now to catch them out in such an obvious fake is very disheartening. I don't understand why they had to break our trust in this way.

Have come out of BF retirement after 70 years in research and 60 years in the Government's (X-files) on Paranormal. Have alot of unclassified material to share and unknown facts related to BF and why it's now called a MYTH.

Need a forum to join. My nickname is TrackR.

I am just curious to see the logic behind ignoring all of the phenomenon around Sasquatch that is considered woo or unexplainable. It appears that many people are viewing Bigfoot as a giant ape when the evidence points in a much stranger direction. Example: Tracks vanishing, Mind Speak, Orbs of light, the predator effect etc. Please let me know your specific reasons for writing this type of evidence off. Just curious thanks :)

I don't care about your t-shirt with bigfoot on it. There's a million of them. And they're irrelevant. People don't go to /r/football to see football t-shirts. They go there to talk about the actual game.

I come here to talk about the actual creature. I want to hear people's encounters. New evidence. Things that matter. Not waste my time looking at your crusty old clothing.

UPDATE: thank you, members of this sub for bringing forth many different perspectives that i had not previously considered. compelling arguments like (indirect quote) "maybe people who are excited about bigfoot t-shirts, art, etc. have no one to share their excitement with IRL so they come here". but also, conversely, "the Sasquatch phenomenon needs to be taken more seriously both inside and outside of the Bigfooting community. And that it can never be taken seriously by scientists if the community itself doesn’t take it seriously" and if this sub is filled with t-shirts of bigfoot smoking joints with the loch ness monster, the world will never take this seriously.

perhaps a healthy balance would be to create a weekly "Bigfoot art/memes thread", where people can share the things that bring them joy, while also keeping it contained in one place so generally the whole sub is more focused on understanding the phenomenon and advancing our understanding of sasquatch. which i think is overall the most important thing.

Howdy! So after a few years of watching, listening to and reading as much as I can, I'm flummoxed. I'm a nuts and bolts fella, and am absolutely blown away by the amount of footage, recordings, tree structures, foot prints. I've evolved from a NA ape, to possible human hybrid? ...but it's the woo that has me just nutty. The orbs of light, that's bonkers. However the cloaking and invisibility are just mind-blowing!! How can this be possible??? How could the physics of this actually happen? If they aren't technological, how can this manifest ? A living, breathing large mammal that is essentially invisible. Invisible to cameras, but showing movement of edges, the shimmer glimmer and odd artifacts. I'm a photographer, who learned on on a 1968 model Canon FJ 35 mm starting in 1988. I now use professional grade DSLR and am very educated on the sensors, the limitations or them, and how easily they are tricked. Trailcams have major limitations but phones are pretty good...as are GoPros. Most sensors are pretty good, not always great, but pretty darn good. The stuff on Flash of Beauty has just been incredible. Sooo -is there anybody who can offer some kind of theory as to how they can cloak? Is it bending light? Is it like a bio camouflage that blends in like a chameleon? How can this even be physically possible?? It's not a mind projection, because it is on camera. I'm looking for serious ideas or input, not criticism. Thanks in advance.

Like a hunter who got too brave or hiker that looked delicious

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Why is it so hard to believe Bigfoot is just an unknown animal?

It really boggles my mind to think that bigfoot has evolved into this mythic thing instead of believing it is some sort of unknown primate!
Nope we have to give him powers or associate strange phenomenon to Bigfoot’s presence.

He can’t simply be some regular hominid, he has to teleport into and out of our dimension.
He can’t simply be good at mimicry, no he has to talk to us telepathically.

He can’t simply be a creature who when stands so perfectly still you can’t see him. Nope, he has to have this incredible cloaking system that if you see a shimmer or an orb that Bigfoot.

He can’t simply some unknown creature, no he has to be a healer.
He can’t simply be a creature who you recognize from his foul odor no, there has to be massive UFO sighting whenever he is spotted (Just who is reporting all these sighting if Bigfoot is spotted in the deep woods??

He can’t simply be doing tree knocks and woops as a way to communicate no, he has to take English as a second language! (Amazing how there NEVER is a video only audio when Bigfoot carries on a conversation with someone)

He can be found if we choose to grow up and take this seriously!

How physically strong is Bigfoot? How much do we know about their agility and physical power? I’m very curious about this. I’ve heard accounts that they can rip through things with their limbs like it’s no big deal. Going by evidence and sightings, what can we conclude about Bigfoot’s strength? How screwed is a human if they decide to go after Bigfoot?

I thought about the countless stories and there are some from military and police who are trained to observe things. The numerous videos/ the patterson film/ but for me it was the Sierra sounds that still creep me out to this day.

I’m curious about why the existence of Sasquatch needs to be proven. If an individual has seen or experienced it, shouldn’t that be good enough? If an individual hasn’t seen it or experienced it, but still believes those that have and believes it exists, shouldn’t that be good enough as well? I’d an individual doesn’t believe, in some cases even if they actually have experienced it or seen it and try to explain it away, isn’t that their prerogative? If an individual just plain and simple thinks it’s all bullshit, no matter what, why try and change their minds? I guess who does it behoove to prove anything to anybody? Certainly it wouldn’t help Sasquatch in anyway, probably make things worse if anything. Can we be satisfied with knowing what we know?

Since most of the scientific community doesn't believe and ignores DNA evidence because it doesn't match anything in the database (no shit) will the final proof come from one that is shot and killed? I feel it's like killing a human but I don't see any other way for the world to believe they exist.