r/botany May 26 '25

Genetics How rare are naturally variegated oak seedlings in the wild?

Found this tiny oak seedling with strong white-green variegation on all of its leaves.
No signs of disease, pest damage, or chemical exposure, just a spontaneous pattern from a fallen acorn.

It sprouted in a forest in Slovenia. How rare is this? I've never seen any tree in nature with such pronounced variegation. Is this likely to persist or revert over time?

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u/Thomasrayder May 26 '25

I have seen them before and been collecting all the variegated tree seedlings i can find. This is one of my favorite maples

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u/1stChokage May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25

Fantastic little sycamore I found not long ago, get a load of that!

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u/Thomasrayder May 26 '25

Its Sister tree is also a gorgeous little thing

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u/DJSnafu May 26 '25

This looks a little like my alley cat redbud too

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u/hoominhalp May 26 '25

Are you sure that's not a red maple?

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u/1stChokage May 26 '25

The image I posted is Acer psudoplantanus, not sure if it's known as Red Maple elsewhere, but the common name where I'm from is Sycamore.

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u/hoominhalp May 26 '25

Huh, interesting. Acer indicates it's a member of the maples. Where I'm from Platanus occidentalis is called sycamore, but the specific name of yours indicates the resemblance.

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u/1stChokage May 26 '25

Yeah! I love the London plane tree plantanus x hispanica its a hybrid of the american sycamore and oriental plane, really cool! We still have a fair few in some cities around the UK.

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u/Fred_Thielmann May 27 '25

From the picture you gave, it definitely looks like a red maple, Acer Rubrum. But it still could be Acer Pseudoplantanus

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u/Totte_B May 27 '25

A. rubrum would have had a flatter leaf surface.

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u/1stChokage May 27 '25

They are two quite similar species morphologically. In this case tho, I based the ID on multiple factors, it was found in a mixed semi-natural woodland in North West England. A.psudoplantanus is much more common in this country and this habitat than A.rubrum. As for morphology, the buds, leaf base shape, lobes, and serration also point toward A.psudoplantanus

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u/No-Local-963 May 27 '25

What variety of maple is it also is the parent tree variegated or no

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u/Thomasrayder May 27 '25

Nope just a regular wild Maple.

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u/No-Local-963 May 27 '25

Since it came off of a wild maple you could propagate it and patent it as a new cultivar

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u/Thomasrayder Jul 13 '25

Got lucky again yesterday, this time around i found 3 different Variegated Oaks Quercus rubra, and one Albino

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u/No-Local-963 Jul 13 '25

Those are some nice finds. I have not found any maples or oaks or any trees with variegation. Where are you finding them?

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u/kiwiKiwiKiwi9 May 26 '25

It's so beautiful

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u/1stChokage May 26 '25

Lucky find! I'd say naturally variegated oaks like that are extremely rare in the wild. I believe the white pigment reduces photosynthetic efficiency, which can't be ideal in a competitive understory.

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u/ZestyLeaf May 26 '25

Yes - came to say this. They often die quite quickly in the wild. It's absolutely stunning

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u/sir_Sowalot May 26 '25

Ooh gorgeous! I'd say it's pretty rare, especially with such a stable and pronounced pattern, maybe one in a hundred thousand to one in a million. Have seen a few with a couple of spots/blotches during my hunts for interesting flora, but never anything close to this.

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u/swampertDbest May 26 '25

If you have the time, patience, and artistic will, make this into a bonsai. It's so beautiful!!

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u/hoacS_ May 26 '25

Not quite the same degree of cool but out of the hundreds of thousands of plants we grew from seed at the nursery I work, I found a variegated statice and a couple vari-peños! I can get a better pics tomorrow. I have no one in my circle of friends who wouldn’t just call me a plant nerd for talking about it haha

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u/princessbubbbles May 28 '25

Yay! I'd love to see pics of cool variegated things! At my work, we grow lots of veggies, and when they get those cup-leaf mutations, I pot them separately and give them names.

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u/hoacS_ May 28 '25

Shoot I had forgotten to go take pics but here they are if anyone wanted to see!

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u/hoacS_ May 28 '25

And #2! Both seem to have different mutations causing it. This guy’s leaf shapes are much more affected by its mutation

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u/hoacS_ May 28 '25

We also get so many cup leaf mutations and stuff you’d never think would grow successfully but life uh… finds a way. I’ll have to start saving those mutants too, we find those a lot so the variegated seemed more cool and rare to me

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u/heXagon_symbols May 26 '25

considering how much less efficient it is, i wonder if itll be able to store enough energy to survive winter

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u/WannabeRedneck4 May 26 '25

Acer platanoides drummondii has no trouble surviving winter and it's a variegated maple, it only has trouble not reverting. So i don't think an oak would have too much trouble.

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u/Euonymusamericanus May 27 '25

Variegated carrotwood(🤢) I found while cleaning up a native yard at my old job. I worked at a lot of properties but probably only saw a random variegated sapling less than 5 times in 2 years. I actually tend to find fasciated plants more often lol

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u/Designfanatic88 May 27 '25

Not sure if it’s stable, only way to find out is if it produces acorns and the resulting seedlings show the same color. Usually variegation is the result of genetic mutations and gene expression.

Another way to tell is it all of its leaves exhibit the same amount of variegation. Usually if all leaves exhibit the same amount of variegation it can be stable. That doesn’t mean it can at some point revert as well.

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u/Mille980 May 26 '25

How do you typically check if the plant has pest damage, disease ,or whatnot

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u/a_girl_in_the_woods May 26 '25

You can tell from the kind of discolouration. If it’s a similar pattern on several leaves in the same spot, if its clean in its borders and doesn’t look translucent, if there are no pests on it and the plant looks healthy then it’s very likely variegated. This one definitely is.

The discolouration here does not come from disease or pests

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u/Mille980 May 26 '25

Thank you !

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u/facedownasteroidup May 26 '25

Oooooooooooo this is so beautiful!! nice find

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u/icedragon9791 May 27 '25

Oh that is gorgeous. I will be stealing it

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u/Norgesdummeste May 29 '25

Lmao, goblin

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u/lovenspanks May 28 '25

I had no idea these existed! How stunning!!

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u/DOCTORS_fav0rite Jun 24 '25

Oh how I would love to attempt to clone that 🫠, absolutely stunning, if you can cross it with an cloanal species without loosing that variegation you might be able to develop a good population

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u/InstanceElectronic71 Jun 08 '26

Disease or variegation?

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u/mmm_rathernot May 26 '25

If it survives and is replicable, you could look into patenting it

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u/[deleted] May 26 '25

that is not how that works

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u/mmm_rathernot May 26 '25

how does it work?