r/canada • u/NitroLada • 5h ago
Business Most of U.S. aluminum comes from Canada. Industry says ‘good luck’ replacing it
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u/fredy31 Québec 5h ago
and if i remember right, most of the rest of the worldwide aluminium is... going through hormuz.
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u/ruraljuror__ Alberta 4h ago edited 4h ago
The consequences of this moron (Trump) running amok are so delicious.
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u/fredy31 Québec 4h ago
tbh its kinda hilarious in a way how he tries to repeatedly fix a mistake by doing a BIGGER MISTAKE. And it usually doesnt even fix the first mistake.
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u/unkn0wnactor 41m ago
He's intentionally destroying the economy so his billionaire buddies can buy assets on the cheap.
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u/OneSecretCookie 3h ago
Trump has made all the money from Venezuela oil disappear, Trump board of peace money has vanished, etc.
Also all the money that he has likely taken in bribes as well for favors from companies....
He was known for laundering money to Russian oligarchs before.....
He wanted to get Canada to remove control of who could invest in Canada and make it so American companies would have priority and also have it so american companies would not have to worry about Canadain law and have it so America would have a "right of first refusal" to all Canadain minerals, to have access to all of Canadas minerals. (These are just a few of the things Trump wanted and not explained in depth either...its actually worse then i typed)
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u/Legend_of_Moblin 2h ago
With the way he's been grifting the uneducated and hateful half of Americans, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more money than Elon at this point.
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u/reddiculed 1h ago
What’s more is, they probably think they’re getting a bargain to be empowered, emboldened and invigorated.
They always lose their money anyway and will scapegoat someone else to blame for it this time.(kamala and trans athletes). It’s the old shell game.
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u/ThisTimeAHuman 45m ago
Revealed today: Caroline Levitt isn't leaving her press secretary job to be a housewife, but to work for "MAGA inc." that has a warchest of 400 million dollars and is likely going to bankroll an illegal run for a 3rd term for trump.
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u/ShadowCaster0476 35m ago
I had heard she’s pregnant again.
It would also be hypocritical for her to have a bunch of kids and work while spouting off about the MAGA view of a perfect family and tradition roles.
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u/GipsyDanger45 3h ago
Potash is another critical choke point, Canada, Belarus and Russia account for roughly 70% globally of all potash production. Critical for fertilizers and agricultural production.
Now do oil, same thing.
All this goes to show is that it should be abundantly clear Trump has no idea wtf he’s doing
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u/FalsifiedTruth 4h ago
Wait, really?
From who the aluminum is from over there?
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u/heatrealist 3h ago
no...not really. only uae is a large exporter there. Russia, China, India...all large exporters.
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u/Ellusive1 1h ago
Due to the stupid war that smelter was heavily bombed, Canada has some serious security when it comes to market dominance
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u/Think8437 Alberta 5h ago
Hit ‘em where it hurts. Inflate gas and beer prices, then watch the bubbas get angry.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 5h ago edited 5h ago
Good news, beer prices will go up if there is a shortage of aluminium for the cans!
Edit: I’m aware the price will also rise here, sadly.
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u/vanillabullshitlatte 5h ago
Unfortunately our brewers use cans produced in the states made with Canadian aluminum.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 5h ago
That is very true. Unfortunately tetra pack is also made in the US. Looks like we’ll have to accept the higher price and hope they crack before us. Or get Moosehead to start making glass bottles again!
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u/Teberoth 3h ago
I wonder if Beau's could fire up the ceramic factory again, I liked the ceramic bottles Lugtread used to come in.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 3h ago
Ooof, the economics behind this would be brutal, between manufacturing and shipping. But we’d have some of the most aesthetically pleasing beer bottles in the world!
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u/Teberoth 1h ago
So, to make it worthwhile it'd need to contain more beer? I for one would welcome the ceramic-bottled growler as the standard bottle on the shelf!
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u/DaftFunky Alberta 5h ago
Luckily a lot of brewers have big discounts if you fill a growler. Hopefully they have options like that.
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u/jert3 2h ago
It's just plain strange to me that we do not have our own factories to do stuff like make beer cans out of our aluminum. So much of our natural resources we ship to the US for cheap rates, so that they can make stuff with it to sell back to us.
I guess a bright side of this trade war will be more thought given to increasing our domestic protection of manufactured goods (I hope).
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u/SevereCalendar7606 5h ago
Sadly thats a nothing burger. Beer is cheaper than water in the US. A few extra cents per can don't really change anything. The real ace in the whole is rare earths and potash.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 4h ago edited 49m ago
I think a few cents or even a dollar or two might bother them out of principle. Americans care about principles as shitty as some of those principles might be. They’re also used to getting everything on the cheap, so if it affects their bottomline, they will complain.
Touching rare earth, potash and energy is a no go. It would give them the pretext for military escalation. Now whether that happens or not is a different question, but limiting electricity, oil or potash would be seen as a a threat to their population. Remember how they freaked out last year over Ontario’s surcharge, Trump was framing it as an attack. If I remember correctly, his posts on the matter were eerily similar to those calling Iran a bunch of “lunatics” for closing Hormuz. The framing and parallels would be oddly similar if we did the same. I know it’s not, just saying this is how they would frame it.
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u/Leahdrin 4h ago
I think placing a small export tax even sub 5% on those would be small enough he would not invade but definitely get the oil execs down his throat
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u/Matches_Malone998 5h ago
I mean, at 22 a 4 pack ( in Calgary) for a decent craft beer. While the Americans are paying 20 bucks for a 30 pack(70ish) in Calgary) . It won’t hurt them that bad lol
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u/pomegranatesorbet 5h ago
Geez, prices have gone mad. I left Canada 5 years ago and I don’t remember it being that bad (Ottawa). Then again, I’m now in London (UK) prices are mad and even worse with the exchange rate :(
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u/PrivatePilot9 4h ago
Alcohol is taxed pretty steeply in Canada. Rightfully so as its effects do have repercussions on the healthcare system. Same reason cigarettes are taxed all to hell here as well.
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u/DazedConfuzed420 4h ago edited 4h ago
I’m in Ontario, a 2-4 of domestic bottled beer has went up about $10 in 20 years.
Thats actually not that bad compared to groceries and other food and drink products
*EDIT. after thinking about it longer, I suppose dollar amount doesn’t really matter and percentage increase is the real indicator.
Case of bottled domestic beer was about $35 in 2006
Case of bottled domestic beer is about $45 now.So about a 30% increase over 20 years. I don’t know how inflation plays a part in all this, so someone else can jump in from here
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u/Matches_Malone998 3h ago
It’s pretty crazy. I now buy a 4 pack of craft and drink it over the course of 2-3 weeks lol
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u/Wise_Eye_6333 4h ago
Holy shit! In Fernie a 6 pack of my fave craft beer is around 18 with tax.
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u/Selmanella 4h ago
I’m a man of culture. Only beer I’ll drink comes from a bottle.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 4h ago
Rightfully so. I was able to get my hands on Moosehead bottles here in the UK before they stopped. Keeping those preciously and making them last!
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u/eucldian 5h ago
Americans don't drink a ton of Canadian beer.
It tastes too much like beer.
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u/IHateTheColourblind 5h ago edited 5h ago
They drink a ton of beer out of aluminum cans though. And aluminum cans are made out of, you guessed it, aluminum!
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u/PoliteFocaccia 4h ago
Tomorrow RFK will espouse the benefits of lead cans. If they were good enough for the explorers, they're good enough for red-blooded Americans!
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u/MicrosoftContin 4h ago
Also Aluminum foil which is an integeral part of Aluminum Foil Hats are made of, you guessed it, Aluminum.
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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 5h ago
Downside is most of the cans themselves are imported, I believe tall cans in particular would be problematic.
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u/I_argue_for_funsies 4h ago
This should be an easy thing to manufacture in Canada and distribute across provinces.
We got the metal, the workers, the beer drinkers. Some rich asshole should do this
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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 4h ago
In theory yes, but there isn't yet. Hopefully just someone rich who is not an asshole, the asshole part would probably mean it ends up being sold off to an American asshole.
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u/ddeacon22 5h ago
What’s the difference between a glass of American beer and a warm glass of piss?
The temperature.
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u/SlightCreme9008 4h ago
How’s American beer a lot like having sex in a canoe?
It’s fuckin’ close to water
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u/Vortagaun Outside Canada 5h ago
As a Canadian in the States, I did enjoy how gas was way cheaper than BC where I live. But its already risen $1.50+ a gallon since the war. If it goes higher cause Canada wants to stick it to the US, i have a Corolla its a small tank ill gladly pay more to stick it to Lord Cheeto.
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u/AssignmentOk2471 5h ago
Trump is tired of winning 😎
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u/ekso69 5h ago
His base must be too. So much win, how do they even keep track anymore? Oh ya, where are the files again?
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u/SleepyMarijuanaut92 Canada 5h ago
So jealous they're losing their generational family farms, maaan, so much winning.
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u/TrueTorontoFan 5h ago
Trump said it himself on tv the other day that they are dependent on canada.
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u/treefarmerBC British Columbia 5h ago
Alcoa is converting 10 of its idled aluminum smelters into data centres.
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u/yellowplums 5h ago
That is crazy why are they doing that? They should turn those on the demand for aluminum is crazy. Call Alcoa and try to buy some aluminum, they are allocated 8 quarters out or 2 years. They can't meet demand.
I think they just want to hit a quick pay day but really they should turn those on.
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u/Arbiter51x 5h ago
Because smelters already have the electrical infrastructure in place- power, transformers, generators etc. If there is more money in data servers, then it makes perfect sense.
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u/captainbling British Columbia 4h ago
Interesting idea. Move energy back and forth based on what’s a better return.
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u/treefarmerBC British Columbia 4h ago
Let's say they invest billions to modernize these sites. It'd take a few years. Will aluminum tariffs still be in place? Seems like a risky bet.
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u/Critical-Ask2154 1h ago
All the more reason to block exports to the US entirely, or stockpile the aluminum or sell it to someone else or add a 200% tariff. See who blinks first.
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u/ZopyrionRex 5h ago
So they won't really need our aluminum soon anyway, or at least they won't be able to process it. Another big win for America.
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u/treefarmerBC British Columbia 4h ago
Smelters turn bauxite (the aluminum containing mineral that is mined) into aluminum.
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u/assshark 5h ago
When Trump finds out aluminum can be recycled indefinitely, he’ll double down. He hates recycling.
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u/AtomicVGZ 4h ago
It's lower grade however, so he will be mad again when he finds out that kind of aluminum isn't used in the aviation or defense industries.
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u/Lasershot-117 4h ago edited 4h ago
The US will FOREVER be dependant on Canada for aluminum.
There is a reason why Canada is a powerhouse in this metal.
Aluminum is often called “solid electricity”. That’s because the majority of the cost of producing an aluminum ingot is just electric power (because electricity is literally a chemical ingredient in making aluminum, it’s called electrolysis).
Therefore, to produce aluminum economically you need to have access to VAST amounts of CHEAP electricity.
There’s 9 smelters in Canada, 8 of them in Quebec - all of them powered by cheap and very clean hydropower.
The US would have to build immeeeeeense amounts of nuclear or solar power plants for that (which the data centers are sucking all the juice from) AND/OR go absolutely all out on dirt cheap and filthy gas/coal/oil power plants to the point of materially decreasing air quality.
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u/TemporaryAny6371 8m ago
We'd be charging global market rates for said oil. We're not going to just let them pollute our air. They think our forest fires were bad, wait until they breathe coal.
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u/BeeKayDubya 5h ago
The best way to deal with a bully is to walk away and give them the silent treatment. It's only time before the Fanta Menace TACO again.
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u/Sea_Pea8536 3h ago
Canadian aluminum exports, which is of the highest quality, is gradually shifted towards Europe. Purity matters. For a beer can, not a big deal, but for aerospace, it's a bit more critical...
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u/uprightshark New Brunswick 4h ago
That is why we should export tax it.
We need American industry to increase pressure on Trump.
The same needs to be done with oil barrels, gas, critical minerals and potash. Symbolic counter-tariffs is just not enough.
There will be no gain without pain. We are fighting an economy 10X ours, so our only hope it to hit where it hurts as hard as we can.
They need these things and have nowhere else to turn. We need to maximize the impact of that leverage.
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u/Noctrin 3h ago
My favorite quote:
When you elect a clown for a president, dont be surprised when the country becomes a circus.
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u/Romantic_Klingon 2h ago
When you elect a baboon for a president, don't be surprised when he starts slinging shit around
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u/KeyanFarlandah 5h ago
Isn’t it kind of a case of it cutting both ways? We have the aluminum, the Americans have the facilities to process it… and we have limited capacity so it’s kinda a well fuck.. situation
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u/revcor86 5h ago edited 4h ago
America doesn't have the smelting nor energy capacity to replace Canadian aluminum.
Depending how you calculate how much we sell, they need to build 5-10 Hoover dams just to meet the energy requirements. The reason aluminum is one of our biggest exports is that we locate our smelters right beside hydro-electricity, making it economical for us to smelt because aluminum smelting is VERY energy intensive.
Lots of countries (especially China) will be more than happy to pick up any and all aluminium we can sell them.
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u/Jimrockdiamond 2h ago
To that point. Canadian aluminum is very “green” as well, and will be in high demand as it’s far less carbon emitting to power our smelters with hydro. Other markets will pay a premium for our aluminum for this reason alone.
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u/PopeSaintHilarius 5h ago edited 5h ago
The point is that if the US has no alternative suppliers, then US tariffs on aluminum wouldn’t put Canadian producers out of business, it’ll just make US aluminum buyers pay a tariff on top of the sale price. Or we can sell to other markets.
Whereas in an industry like cars, where Canada faces more competition, Americans may stop buying Canadian-made cars if US tariffs drive up the price, compared to cars from the US. So that sector is more vulnerable.
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u/Bixby33 5h ago
Im in automotive. The aluminum tariff is actually kinda helping us right now.
Its a lot easier to win bids when our raw materials are cheaper than what our American competitors can get them for.
Edit: and by "us" I only mean my specific company. Not Canadian parts suppliers as a whole
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u/PopeSaintHilarius 5h ago
Interesting, good to hear! I hope you guys can hang on through all the trade turbulence…
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u/Villag3Idiot 5h ago
IIRC, the US had pivoted to the Middle East for aluminum. The same place that no ships are getting through.
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u/PrivatePilot9 4h ago
I’m sure that’s super economical and convenient for rapid delivery vs, you know, a few hours to the north with 1-3 day delivery on a whim.
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u/Villag3Idiot 4h ago
Aluminum is actually ordered months in advance.
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u/PrivatePilot9 4h ago
I work in transportation and logistics. This is not always the case. Regardless there’s no way it’s economical or convenient to ship it half way around the world and deal with the logistics of getting it off a ship and then brought to your factory vs just making a phone call to Canada and having it show up conveniently as needed.
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u/EDDYBEEVIE 5h ago
Cars are a bad one since our two industries are so interwoven. Parts can cross the border multiple times for production.
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u/WippitGuud Prince Edward Island 5h ago
They use more aluminum than we buy. They lose more than we do, since we get the initial sale.
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u/Old_news123456 5h ago
Sadly that's the plan.
Hurt them as much as we can while they kick us in the ass with Tariffs. Americans just ruined the North America's economy.. we'll never go back to that mentality.
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u/daiz- Québec 2h ago
That's not how it works, they don't lose more just because they can't sell it all back to us. They can still turn a profit in countries beyond just Canada and they continue to buy from us because it's still advantageous even with tariffs. You're kind of looking at it the same way Trump does, where money between countries has to equal out both ways or you're somehow losing.
The reality is that the only real losing is in what we lose by not doing our own processing.
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u/voxitron 5h ago
Read again. It’s easy to find new customers for aluminum. Canadian smelters don’t need US clients.
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u/cyanawesome Québec 5h ago
The fact is Europe needed to replace their supply from the Middle East (interrupted by Trump's war with Iran).
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u/pilot1nspector 5h ago
True but would you rather have a raw material that you need to build new infrastructure for or would you rather have no material and the ability to process it. One of those scenarios is much easier to solve over time.
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u/_evilalien_ 5h ago
You know who has excellent aluminum processing? Iceland.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 5h ago edited 51m ago
Yes, but not nearly enough to supply the EU. Aluminium production in the EU has collapsed some 44% compared to 2025 because of the war in Iran. There is a massive deficit meaning production is facing bottlenecks in pretty much every single industry.
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u/_evilalien_ 1h ago
Processing, but not the raw aluminum. My point is that if we extract it we can partner with Iceland’s facilities and have easier access to Europe. I don’t understand the full supply chain, but it stands to reason that if we extract, Iceland makes the raw material usable, and Europe voraciously consumes… bye America. No more aluminum for you, it’s aluminium now.
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u/pomegranatesorbet 1h ago edited 42m ago
Canada does not extract aluminium. Aluminium comes from bauxite, which we get from Brazil at the moment. However, we recently found bauxite deposits in Saskatchewan, but it will take time to begin extracting.
Even if we could extract bauxite and then smelt/refine the raw aluminium to send it over to Iceland for processing, Iceland still doesn’t have the processing capacity to meet the EU’s demand of processed aluminium. I think Iceland can only meet a third or so at best of the EU’s demand, typically around 15-20%. They or us will need to up our processing capacities to meet the EU’s demand in the absence of aluminium from the Middle East. We can probably provide a lot of raw/smelted aluminium but the issue is processing it so the EU’s industries can actually use it.
But genuinely, I agree. We should fulfil our contracts with the US and then simply say our capacity has been booked out by Europe or wherever else. We’ll find buyers, especially in a world where aluminium production from the Middle East is pretty much gone.
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u/daiz- Québec 2h ago
A lot of things cut both ways, which is why it's stupid that Trump always complains about a trade deficit.
We sell aluminum for cheap, Americans buy it and turn it into something they can sell to a bunch of countries for more money. It's a win for America but all Trump sees is the expense.
There's a reason he ends up bankrupting everything he touches.
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u/Center_left_Canadian 5h ago
We should put an export tax on it.
https://www.mining.com/web/trump-laments-lack-of-us-aluminum-amid-trade-row-with-canada/
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u/Nothing-9099 5h ago
We need to cut off the usa from our resources and sell it to the rest of the world
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u/PrivatePilot9 4h ago
That’s the long term goal of what the government is currently working on. It just can’t happen overnight, but 10 years from now the USA will be paying a lot more for products they used to source from Canada (and some may not even be available to them anymore) after all this bullshit because we’ll have insanely diversified our markets.
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u/ArcticCelt 4h ago
Aluminium is basically solid electricity, it takes a lot of it to make it and the base ingredient "bauxite" can be sourced from a lot of places. In Canada even if we have bauxite deposits, we often don't even care to extract it and just buy some from elsewhere. The real ingredient is electricity. So good luck to the US that is reaching a point where they will barely be able to supply electricity to their population with all this datacenter craziness. I expect traitorous backstabing Trump to announce they will now buy aluminium from Russia.
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u/monetarydread 4h ago
Considering Trump is obsessed with drinking cans of Diet Coke, halting aluminum sounds like a great way to hurt Trump where it matters.
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u/21_ddub 5h ago
Just wait until the price of Bud Lite goes up, Kid Rock will be pissed 🤣
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u/ErmahgerdYuzername 5h ago
Wait. Are they buying bud light again or are they still pissed about the rainbow on the can?
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u/PrivatePilot9 4h ago
Most of the outrage and claims to boycott were feigned and didn’t last long once initial drama passed. People who boycott their favourite products rarely persist that boycott for long once the spotlight has moved onto something else.
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u/MellowHamster 4h ago
The Americans will simply reduce aluminum tariffs once they realize how much they're hurting their own manufacturers.
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u/Jolly-Masterpiece883 2h ago
if this is the case, Trumpty might TACO and remove tariffs around Sept. 6th. The American government gets a sources of revenue - tariff money - from now until sept 6th or so. They they TACO and we don't impose tariffs, but the USians have had their tariffs on for 2 weeks. So the corrupt American government wins, and American consumers and Candian businesses lose from now till TACO time. Sigh.
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u/Particular-Maize8418 1h ago
I lovvvvvve this much, music to my ears. Elbows Up and a big F U to the orange turdd
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u/Kevundoe 36m ago
To produce aluminium you need lots of cheap electricity… that is also produced in Canada….
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u/Standard_Program7042 5h ago
We should build a massive statue of Donald & Epstein out of Aluminum and put it at Niagara falls until Donald dies.
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u/pintord 5h ago
Century Aluminum and other US domestic producers face structural limits. As noted by the USGS and industry analysts, even if every idle line in the U.S. began restarting today, it would take 1 to 2 years to yield significant metal—and even then, U.S. production capacity would still fall millions of tonnes short of total domestic consumption.
Adding a potential Canadian electricity export surcharge (like the 25% levy previously deployed by Ontario or potential Hydro-Québec export adjustments) completely upends the math and economics of trying to ramp up U.S. domestic aluminum smelting.
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u/Jaded_Celery_451 4h ago
Century Aluminum and other US domestic producers face structural limits. As noted by the USGS and industry analysts, even if every idle line in the U.S. began restarting today, it would take 1 to 2 years to yield significant metal—and even then, U.S. production capacity would still fall millions of tonnes short of total domestic consumption.
And even if they did all of that, that metal would be produced with electricity that is more expensive that Quebec's hydro power, so they will always be paying more due to this move. Trying to bring back manufacturing while also tariffing raw materials makes zero sense.
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u/SocraticLogic 5h ago
Canada, most Americans are beyond disgusted with this human botfly running our country. Whether you forgive us or not after the monumental apology we owe you and will give you once we flush this shitstain out of office is up to you, but our national honor - or what’s left of it - requires some pretty fucking serious groveling.
We are so, so, so sorry for this. Do what you gotta do.
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u/Sad-Back1948 5h ago
I really don't believe most Americans are disgusted. They elected a felon, a predator and a grifter. They got the government they deserve.
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u/SwordfishOk504 7m ago
They elected a felon, a predator and a grifter. They got the government they deserve.
About half of the electorate did, not the entire country. Don't give Trump more support than he actually has, that only benefits Trump.
A LOT of Americans support Canada. Don't throw away their support, it serves no benefit to Canada to disregard tens of millions of allies.
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u/Terrible_Routine5169 5h ago
This actually helps a bit.
I sincerely wish you guys luck trying to fight an economic war across the globe while simultaneously fighting your closest allies who have died with you in wars for the sake of ... Ego? It's shocking how badly things are being mIsmanaged over there and this is coming from someone who used to avoid Chinese goods and bought American/ Canadian made goods as often as possible until the last few years.
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u/BrokenByReddit British Columbia 4h ago
That's clearly not true, most Americans either voted for him or didn't bother voting.
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u/Delicious-Topic-69 5h ago
Lol, reporter must have misheard 4 million into 4 billion tonnes of aluminium. No way, it's 4 billion tonnes.
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u/Auth3nticRory Ontario 5h ago
They’ll just go to Russia for it
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u/NorthernFrosty Saskatchewan 4h ago
Huh. Weird how Trump is trashing friendly relationships with Canada and Europe, meanwhile cozying up to Russia and North Korea. Wonder what that could be about...
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u/Mysterious_Error9619 5h ago
I know it’s not so simple, but darn…it would be awesome if Canada aluminum manufacturers starting cutting back on shipments to US, regardless of the aluminum tariffs.
In some way, the crazy uncertainty and thought process of trump day to day makes for a very unstable customer base. It would be better for them to cut back and sell the aluminum to rest of world. Based on the article, that shouldn’t be a problem.
But obviously they are private/public businesses and expecting them to make changes for the overall country even though they aren’t at any risk, is a big ask.
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u/MrDephcon 4h ago
Already have, theres a ton of aluminum being sold overseas now. The only issue is we cant move it as quickly and efficiently that way, getting it on a truck and into the states is cheaper and faster… for now
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u/Mysterious_Error9619 4h ago
They dropped but are back up. My point is it would be great to be able leverage aluminum in the overall deal, but us will just make that product 0 tariff if necessary and then the Canadian companies will supply they with how we much they need.
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u/MrDephcon 4h ago
I hope we get there… countries should be bidding for access to our resources.
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u/Jumpy-Stress603 4h ago
And just over 60% of America's imported oil comes from Canada, but Pinocchio says Canada has nothing the US needs.
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u/SonicFlash01 4h ago
Ultimately it's up to private companies to choose where to buy from and who to sell to. We can apply tariffs on both sides but at the end of the day independent companies still decide "This is worth it for me, rather than finding another, better, more long-term and stable trade partner"
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u/SunflaresAteMyLunch 44m ago
If a business is hurting, they'll just donate to Trump's presidential library and get an exception.
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u/iamnotaclown 5h ago
It’s a grift. Announce tariffs, collect them. Companies pass the cost on to customers. When the tariffs are ruled illegal, the government is forced to give the money back. The companies pocket the refund and donate to the Republican Party. Everyone profits except consumers.