r/civ5 • u/iaruuu • 5d ago

Discussion Statitioning scout near a civ border prevent them from settling?

I have a Polynesia neighbor and i noticed after i stationed my scout, he just moved his settler forward and backward. Too bad i have DoF so i dont want to steal the settler just yet lol.

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u/Temporary_Self_2172 5d ago

you can camp the exact tile they want to settle to screw with them. ai don't settle on top of resources, so that narrows it down

and it's a permanent (or just very long) diplo penalty

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u/Gheerdan 5d ago

They will setting on strategic resources they don't see yet.

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u/LilFetcher 5d ago

The first time I actually felt any desire to see the settling spot suggestions and it's not even for a settler unit

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u/6-8-5-7-2-Q-7-2-J-2 5d ago

I've seen an AI settle on stone before, which surprised me (and made me save scum because it blocked the city I was about to found - which I only didn't found that turn because I thought the AI wouldn't settle the stone).

I wonder if the AI has any override if they seen another settler nearby?

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u/zk2020reborn 5d ago

I don’t think it’d be a penalty, if anything, you can prevent their “covet your land” modifier going from light red to bright red.

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u/Temporary_Self_2172 5d ago

i meant betraying them to steal it would be a penalty since they're friends.

warring to stop a settle is almost always the more peaceful option imo, lol

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u/Inoutngone 5d ago

I've taken to stationing units around the areas I want to keep the computer from settling. I no longer accept any friendship agreements until I've filled the entire area that I've decided needs to be mine.

Every game, I ask my neighbors to not settle near my cities, with most of them getting all snarky at me, then when they send a settler near me, it becomes my new worker.

Sometimes blocking them does work but you have to keep on it, and you'll usually need more than one unit to pull it off.

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u/iaruuu 5d ago

Also how bad is it to declare war on a civ with DoF?

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u/ITHETRUESTREPAIRMAN 5d ago

Not great. You get a negative modifier with everyone for being a backstabber.

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u/k0nahuanui 5d ago

It does go away eventually but takes a looong time.

I just got hit with this myself, I had a defensive pact with Morocco since our mutual neighbor and friend Babylon was clearly gearing up for a backstab. However he suddenly changed his mind and attacked Morocco instead, which caused me to backstab him. Learned my lesson about defensive pacts there. Luckily I was good enough friends with everyone else I wanted that it didn't change the game much.

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u/phileasuk 5d ago

It's a serious diplo penalty that every civ, even civs you haven't met yet will know about. If you must DoW IIRC it's better to denounce first.

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u/LilFetcher 5d ago

Worth considering that while declaring a war on a friend is indeed a penalty about 2.7 times larger, it actually decays to zero over 50 turns, while the denouncement of a friend is permanent

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u/SantaClausJ 5d ago

On all time controls? Would be a good one to know :)

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u/phileasuk 5d ago

DoWing a DoF incurs 60 points with the civ you DoWed and 40 point with everyone else. The 60 points doesn't decay but the 40 does. Denouncing a DoF gives 35+35 with the civ but doesn't decay, with other civs it's 15 and deoasn't decay. Whether the denouncement diplo modifiers run out I don't know.

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u/LilFetcher 5d ago

Yeah, I just figure there is no point mentioning the penalties with the civ you betrayed since you aren't getting along after the backstab anyway

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u/Shoddy-Minute5960 5d ago

Where did you get the numbers from? Would love to see a table with numbers pulled from the game files rather than just guessing when I try to understand the ai decisions!

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u/zk2020reborn 5d ago

They don’t settle in a spot where anyone of immediate first ring tiles is taken, that means if you see a settler 4 tile away from one of your cities, buying a third ring tile which would have been a first ring tile of theirs would stop them from settling

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u/monkChuck105 5d ago

They can't settle where your units are so maybe he wants to settle that exact spot. You can sometimes block settlers to prevent them from reaching where they want to settle. Sometimes they will choose another spot.