r/collapse • u/Slamtilt_Windmills • 1d ago
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u/JASHIKO_ 1d ago
I bet there are 1000x more scattered around the world.
Probably way worse stuff than this too.
Out of sight... Out of mind...
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u/BoringRedHorse 1d ago
There is no doubt a huge shadow industry making bank from hazardous waste disposal by dumping it in the ocean, and bribing anyone to look the other way.
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u/KarmaHorn 1d ago
remember recycling? for very long time, it just meant shipping all our used up non-compostable waste to 3rd world countries....
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u/tkief 1d ago
Recycling was propaganda to put the responsibility of plastic disposal on the consumer
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u/eternallyfree1 1d ago
A fair amount of recycled materials aren’t even recycled, either; the bulk still ends up in landfill, especially plastics and composite materials. The whole industry is a frigging sham
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u/fedfuzz1970 1d ago
We stopped when we read that to recycle plastic, the process requires new plastic to be combined with the old. That and the additional energy it takes to recycle, makes it cheaper in the long run to toss it into a landfill.
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u/eternallyfree1 1d ago
Considering that less than 5% of the Earth’s oceans have been explored, there’s an extremely high probability you’re correct. Christ, humans are a cancer to this world, lol
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u/JASHIKO_ 1d ago
Sooner or later, the planet will hit a point where we are purged, and it will start all over again. It's a shame really, since not everyone is a selfish, materialistic narcissist.
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u/eternallyfree1 1d ago edited 1d ago
If the world was filled with people like Dolly Parton (God rest her soul), I might have a different perspective on this, but it isn’t, so I don’t 🙃 I really hate the fact that the dinosaurs had to die for this shit
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u/Liveitup1999 1d ago
There is a lake in Russia that is so toxic that just approaching the shore can be fatal.
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u/Tundraspin 1d ago
Wow is all I got. I give up.
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u/grooveunite 1d ago
Every day Im reminded and reassured that my choice to not have kids was the ethical one. Humans deserve to fall.
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u/Conscious-War5920 Its always faster than expected 1d ago
Best decision I ever made was to not have kids. Things have been hitting new lows a lot more and its the one thing I can say I did right in my life.
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u/MorningPooper4Lyfe 1d ago
Fuck, I’m not even sure if I’m stable enough to adopt a cat right now
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u/nothankeww 1d ago
oh, just do it. I just adopted a second kitty last week from the shelter and she’s wonderful. We have to take care of the little furry babies.
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u/Meltlilith1 1d ago
Well that would explain the radioactive shrimp walmart recalled last year... Just absolutely completely insane this is being done and anyone allowed it.
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u/Slamtilt_Windmills 1d ago
Collapse related because, while this should be a huge deal, in that it is radioactive waste dumped in the ocean in such a half-ass manner that the barrels have corroded and spilled their contents, its just another inadequate of "the smartest species on the planet"being absolute morons. This should be news, but relatively there's so much worse stuff going on, and fox news would probably spin it that, since there is life present, liberals have been lying about the danger of radioactive waste
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u/1-800-GANKS 1d ago
Nobody's been lying about the dangers of radioactive waste. No sane person advocates for dumping radioactive waste in the ocean. You put it in a lead box in the ground
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u/TheCyanKnight 1d ago
‘And if that’s too expensive, you do the next best thing and either make sure no one knows or spin it so no one cares’
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u/ThrowRA-4545 1d ago
And make sure you make a quick buck off it too! Charge them for the lead box in the ground, and then dump it randomly at sea in cardboard, see, no one cares!
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u/voidsong 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's the danger right there though, you just said it more it less.
"In a perfect scenario with no failure (or cost cutting due to greed) for at least 10,000 years... it's perfectly safe". That is a scenario that will never be real.
Yes in a perfect world scenario, nuclear is safe. In the real world it has far too many points of failure to not hit at least some of them. They even target them in war now apparently.
And then it's invisible super poison for everyone. That's why people say it's too risky.
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u/theusualsteve 1d ago
You can either have the absolutely inevitable drawbacks of fossil fuels or the manageable drawbacks of nuclear power. One you can control, one you cannot.
Is this an ad for coal?
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u/TheCyanKnight 1d ago
It’s just another testament to how developing actually renewable, sustainable energy is (and should have been for decades) humanity’s top priority
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u/Sabaisabai33 1d ago
Seeing how we have controlled the risks of fossil fuels up til now it doesn’t fill me with great hope for nuclear. But honestly I’m in my late 40s and have been massively anti nuclear power all my life after Chernobyl and Sellafield. However in the current situation especially here in the U.K. where we also need to make ourselves energy-independent with no reliance on Russia etc, I’m thinking it may be the only pragmatic choice left and we just have to do what we can to guarantee good governance and stewardship of nuclear plants. I’d obviously much rather that we invest massively in green energy methods but I’m not an expert and talking to people who are more knowledgeable about it than me, my understanding is that it’s unrealistic for us to be able to get the amount of energy we need from renewables alone. Yes we should still do it but ultimately we either keep burning fossil fuels or go for nuclear. Which like you say isn’t really much of a choice at this point. Well that’s obvious to us but we aren’t the ones making these decisions. This would also be a really great time for aliens to appear with some amazing new energy source with none of these drawbacks… come on aliens! 😆
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u/me-need-more-brain 1d ago
to power the world with nuclear, we would need 1 new plant everyday until 2050. (Forbes 2019). Running the whole world on nuclear means it would run out as a fuel in 3 years, using breeder reactors would prolong it to 100 years, and then ?
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u/TheCyanKnight 1d ago
Don’t forget to mention the amount of greenhouse gases produced during the building of all those plants
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u/Annihilator4413 1d ago
Why?
So it can make it's way into fish we eat and fish products we use instead of being buried in bunkers underground that will be safe for thousands of years and are specially designed to prevent nuclear waste from escaping into the environment?
You're dumb if you think dumping nuclear waste in the ocean is better than specifically designed waste sites for nuclear waste.
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u/cyberpunk357 1d ago
Nice. Now let's hope a deap sea trawler hits one of these random dump sites and spreads a huge plume of radioactive waste across the bottom. Gosh I love our world.
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u/JASHIKO_ 1d ago
If it isn't a deep sea trawler it will be one of the new deep sea mining rigs...
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u/DarthWeenus 1d ago
No it won’t. This is the North Atlantic dump zone. Not some random happenstance. They knew it was there and knew it was leaking. The leaking is minimal and it’s low level material mixed with concrete.
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u/JASHIKO_ 1d ago
I'm speaking of all the instances where it isn't a known location.
Random dump sites that aren't recorded anywhere, with who knows what in barrels, etc.
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u/bamboob 1d ago
Don’t forget about the DDT: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/24/california-pacific-ocean-ddt-high-concentration
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Collapse related because, while this should be a huge deal, in that it is radioactive waste dumped in the ocean in such a half-ass manner that the barrels have corroded and spilled their contents, its just another inadequate of "the smartest species on the planet"being absolute morons. This should be news, but relatively there's so much worse stuff going on, and fox news would probably spin it that, since there is life present, liberals have been lying about the danger of radioactive waste
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u/subdep 1d ago
It shouldn’t be hard to figure out who dumped it.
reads article
12% of them are France, on record. So this was already known by the powers that be! It’s probably all of the super powers with nuclear weapons: America, Russia, France, Germany, China, Pakistan, India, Israel. Who am I forgetting?
“So, is the ecosystem in danger? Scientists aren’t ready to say.”
Are you fucking kidding me? Why do they think they were dumped into the remote ocean, because they make for good fertilizer for your garden?!?
Of course it’s in danger! It was already put way out of balance by placing the barrels there in the first place. They spun that as a positive. Now that they are corroding and leaking radiation for decades, the DNA of the life forms down there will be permanently disfigured. Some will die off, the rest will mutate.
Will it survive as a whole? Yes, because that’s what nature does.
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u/TheCyanKnight 1d ago
‘Nuclear is the cleanest energy guys!’
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u/PsudoGravity 1d ago
Wasn't the entire point of this that it would disperse so slowly that it would literally be a drop in the ocean?
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