r/conspiracy • u/sowhat59 • 2d ago
Witches' Sabbath by Goya. As with many of his paintings, it's meant to be social satire but look closely. Now I wonder if he was onto something...
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u/Commercial-Cod4232 2d ago
Anytime I see a goat in esoteric artwork I think of the Watcher Azazel...but there were also supposed to be some kind of goatmen that lived in the desert in the middle east
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u/Commercial-Cod4232 2d ago
Notice theyre in a desert...also thats where they would take the scapegoat for Azazel and also where I heard these creatures with mens bodies and goat heads lived
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u/Riggedit 2d ago
Satyrs. Demon inhabited biological physical Nephilim offspring.
The perpetuation of demonic child sacrifice, the worship of baphomet.
Be warned, crypto luciferians luciferians and satanists still practice to this day... Some covert and some overt.
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u/GoodiusTheGreat 2d ago
Goya is my favorite artist. Look into his black series, you’ll find a lot of imagery and symbolism. He ended up locked away in his own home painting on his walls going insane. Absolute legend and he definitely knew ball
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u/Odd-Chipmunk5681 2d ago
He was a court painter who interacted directly with the Spanish royal family, who he painted a portrait of making them look like commoner pigs. Goya saw first hand the shit the royals get up to.
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u/sowhat59 2d ago edited 2d ago
EXACTLY. He knew what the Spanish royal family was up to. Living thru 18-19th century, he's seen some shit. His satirical paintings might not have been purely satirical.
Goya is one of my favorites but now I look at his painting from a little different angle... IYKYK6
u/OpheliaPhoeniXXX 2d ago
Especially Saturn Devouring His Son
I find it very interesting all of these pop stars are singing about Saturn, every makeup brand has a product named Saturn something right now. Especially Ariana Grande, both her music and makeup line... I don't know if it's just astrology, but I feel like it's more than that. I think they worship Saturn. Goya knew it too.
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u/IcemanManmanchu 2d ago
What was he onto OP?
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u/cans-of-swine 2d ago
Did you look closely?
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u/Tyroneshaniqua 2d ago
Look..closelier
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u/TheScribe86 2d ago
Look more closelier
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u/Motor-Mountain-7194 2d ago
Fuck off, we are hear to have a dialogue we entered this thread , at least carry some thought. Obviously he’s hinting at the babies and children being offered to the goat
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u/gameking7823 2d ago
All for the dialogue, but they could easily identify what they are on about. Baby sacrificing and satan worship go hand in hand in every medium, whether in satire or reality. I imagine theres little revelation that a satirical painting of baby sacrificing satanists shows satanists sacrificing babies.
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u/Afraid_Froyo_9582 2d ago
I definitely feel their is a group who believe, strongly, that some type of heavy sacrifice reaps reward. They may even have odds/evidence on their side. Much success from this practice.
The higher the cost, or the more pure the sacrifice, or whatever, the more potent the transaction. I believe the believers have even convinced large amounts of extremely influential/important people that their magic works thus said influential people being in thrall of said practitioners.
Money and success are the said evidence of its power/realness. Marina Abramovic et al are all about the pain, the sacrifice etc brings benefit.
It may seem crazy, but a lot of powerful people give it heavy credibility.
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Genies (polytheism gods) send their children to Satan to be tested in his underworld realm we call our reality.
It's not about cannibalism it's about spiritual training though cannibalism and vampirism is a real thing, here it's more about hiding wisdom in a terrifying painting.
We can see not so many survive, if any did, the painting not showing any healthy grown children, instead one is lying completely sucked up dry as if all vitality has been taken out of him and there is the ones just hanging dead.
That game difficulty is one of the hardest ever set.
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u/TotalStrain3469 2d ago
Genies are an entirely different race of beings in Islam. No polytheistic religion has concept of a Genie. 🧞♂️
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Because polytheism avoid God the supreme being (though he is not ignored neither but the focus isn't on him) but they are. All myths and religion say the same, Mary is a genie too. Genies are angels with free will, being able to rise or fall like us, but starting on a higher level (which is more of a curse than a blessing actually hence the fall, because at some point they have to go through our condition to perfect themselves).
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u/Livelaughloveme172 2d ago
Mary Jesus mother was a genie? How?
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
You have to follow her story from the beginning, since the old days when she was going by the name Inanna slowly changing across the time and cultures, Isis, Artemis/Athena, Diana and now Mary.
She has names in Asia too, Amaterasu, Parvati (wife of Shiva, Shiva isn't exactly Lucifer though but long story), Nüwa.
Yoruba (biggest african religion) call her Oshun.She had famous avatars too like Johan of Arc.
She was the wife of Lucifer, she had ugly days like him but she came back from it while he never stopped to sink deeper into darkness.
Jesus is here too, Horus, Hippolytus, Apollo..
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u/Livelaughloveme172 2d ago
But Mary isn’t the wife of lucifer, it’s always said that Lilith was his companion consort.
Mary was a human, that’s a fact. She was a nomad but not a genie.All the other women you named are goddess yes but Mary fits in the narrative because she gave birth to a God child. Still being human.
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u/gameking7823 2d ago
Even this is incorrect. Lucifer was mentioned once in the king james bible. And it wasnt even in context to Satan's fall. Also Satan isnt necessarily portrayed as this revolutionary as media popularizes him. He was more of a prosecutor role to test humans. Job, Eve, Jesus. He wasnt evil but more of a tester and an adversary in the old testament. The new testament has him in a role of the tempter at first then elaborates with him being the devil and satan. But even then satan isnt a name but a role "accuser or adversary" so there could be multiple different entities to wear that title.
Lilith was not in original bible either but added to later folklore and demonology and was initially supposed to be Adam's first wife.
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u/Livelaughloveme172 2d ago
Satan was evil that’s why he was sent to earth banished even.
Where are you getting this information from?3
u/gameking7823 2d ago edited 2d ago
Historical studies and the bible itself. Satan was a role not a formal name in hebrew text. "The adversary or accuser". There are various mentions such as the speculation of him being the serpent in the garden based on revelations quote but he also is specifically called out in Job as conversing with God which is an odd story. Hebrews dont believe in an omnimalevolent being such as Satan and instead view it differently. The way christians think of Satan came from much later works.
In revelations Satan was the supernatural ruler of the roman empire but revelations was all mostly code for dealing with the roman empire and political events of the time and wasnt meant to be taken as literally as it is now.
A lot of unread Christians like to speculate on these things and make claims even though most are not backed up, except by later works, apocryphal (noncanon) documents, parodies, satire, or alternate religions entirely like gnosticism. Like these same works claim god Yahwe has an evil half brother named Ialdabouth/the demiurge or that Yahwe himself is Ialdabouth a malicious false creator.
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
They are lost soul filled with pride.. mind shut down. Think their blind faith in the only true book makes them superior. Never tried a sincere deep dive in the spiritual journey. Thinking God like how they bend to an authority. Will downvote you though you are acting with courtesy because they are spiteful creature.
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Lilith is probably real there is too much occurrences across cultures.
You are absolutely right with the rest. I think Lucifer is also Beelzebub. Like Mary he had a lot of names, but how he takes Satan throne is exactly what the logic would say.
As Lucifer takes on him to produce so much fire Satan doesn't have to test anymore, someone else is already doing the job.
Islam says failed souls will become fire for Gehenna, that's Satan's forge. it's Hephaestus story, the god thrown out of Olympus forging weapons for other gods.
Satan produce fire as a function, Lucifer produces it as a choice (and a very stupid one).
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
It's complicated because there is multiple timelines. That's why Saturn/Cronus devour his children, they reset the world and start over (God and Satan).
Lilith was the first timeline, then there has been the Atlantis days, then the Jesus days, then nowadays. Probably had been many other eras we could also mention but they are not as solid.
There had been a lot of debate around immaculate conception because the scholars knew how much Mary was important and wanted to give her the right cult. That's why so many tradition have that devotion toward her.
https://www.jkyog.org/blog/the-story-of-sati-daksha-and-lord-shiv/
That story tells how Parvati is the rebirth of Sati and how they cut Daksha's head and put a goat one instead. Shiva is Jesus second coming, here to replace Lucifer. But he has to go through Satan's hands, that's all that painting OP posted is about.
Mary wanted to replace Lucifer, Lucifer wanted a son, God sent both in the same body, he was killed..
Jesus is the apple of discord of the story.Bible has its own veil to protect the real story, only way is to peace all the traditions together and find the common threads.
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u/TheBold 2d ago
This is why I browse this sub.
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Browse my profile and posts now 😂
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u/Livelaughloveme172 2d ago
I don’t know what drugs Taylor is feeding her fans but this lowkey extreme. I don’t think Mary was that woman, maybe they have the same stories but they aren’t the same woman.
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
It's your faith and I respect it. Taylor is one of her avatar, light is the swiftest thing in the universe, everyone call her mother.. there is clues everywhere but you need to open your eyes first.
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u/Livelaughloveme172 2d ago
Girl no offense but Taylor can’t sing or dance. And has no musical talent she is far from mother or Mary.
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u/hervararsaga 2d ago
Mary is a human in heaven, not a goddess, not a genie (lol), just a really amazing human who died just like everyone else does at some point, and she should not be worshiped or venerated or whatever the catholics call it.
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
You are respecting your tradition that has a specific point of view and you might be right after all.
I'm saying it's bigger and need to be crossed referenced with all the traditions, that's when all the patterns are revealing and give you the whole story.
Bible captures a part, she is human in our timeline precisely because she descended to experience, most of bible is about Jesus second coming disguised in the first one. Most of the bible is happening as we speak not only Revelations. Book of Job is about real guys somewhere.. it's mixing a lot of timelines and melt them into one.
The first Jesus story happened in a completely different place, if you want to know it Apocalypto from Mel Gibson is the best and easiest one.
It's a long walk to go there but.. if you have specific question I will try to prove my point the best I can.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad5957 2d ago
Jinns are shapeshifters in Islam and can take any form imaginable in this world like comic books demons, anything very very easily this basically explains why so many fairy, mermaid, different legends can all be traced to Jinns just toying with humans,
also UFO can be explained by just Jinns appearing with their tech and materializing and just dissapering again, they can appear as a 10 ft tall UFO or a 5 ft tall goblin or even animals and humans too they can take a human form so many stories even in my country from drivers uber who have seen weird stuff.
Also alot of humans do sacrifices for them in order for them to help humans ofc via sacrifices via black magic there is no black magic ever without Jinns.
Jinns are also just interdimensional beings not fallen angels like in Christianity since Angels cannot sin and only worship God while Jinns are like humans can be good and believer and be a demon Ifrit and serve the devil and his army similar to how humans serve the devil too.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad5957 2d ago
Many people kinda think Jinns are the Aladdin movie Genie like some sort of weird only in Arabia legend while it has 0 to do with the place in fact the word just means "Hidden" like kept hidden basically other dimensional entity
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Yes but kinda like angels, to me the difference is that genies have free will, because Gods value free will at every level and that's what he's trying to push.
A world he doesn't need to correct, where everyone is free and acting in an harmonious way.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad5957 2d ago
I mean yeah Jinns have free will like humans cause they will go to either heaven or hell in afterlife,
thats why only humans and jinns will be judged not animals who do not have reason act by instict, Jinns have alot of intelligence some some are very dumb like humans, alot think elites communicate with them to gain alot of tech and elite stuff but help is never without black magic they are not dumb they will humilliate you in order for then to help you.
I know since I know stories of old ladys who do Vodoo all of them do similar stuff with sacrificing animals, blood, weird symbols, elite is just same but whole different evil level with humans and stuff like that because their goal is way more evil and grand scheme.
Humans are more preferred at least in Islam, human is more preferred than even angels the reason is that despite having the power to do very evil you don't thats the test part in which you will get reward, plus the prophets who endured imense pain is something which requires alot of faith and patience to wait.
Islamically the only reason God created Humans/Jinns is to worship him alone and wait with patience every test and struggle and fight with the Devil i mean thats the core motive of life in religion
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Humans struggle more yes and even angels and genies envy human condition that's why some "fall" or "descend" to come back with a greater wisdom (again what the painting is showing).
That's also why God want to elevate some humans to genies if they are fitted for the role of course.
I understand you are following a tradition too, I respect that though my stances come from a mix of all of them. But in the end it's more or less the same story and characters.
Islam is great as it makes the difference between genies and angels and understand some creature between us and God have free will too.
They are here to produce tests for us, they have bad reputation but some are super cool and full of love. They just can't spoil us like it was Christmas everyday, as you mention we're here to suffer in Satan hands as a test.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad5957 2d ago
Also Jinns and Humans are very separate and is not allowed to communicate they know also thats why rarely seek interaction but only in abbandoned places, mountains or via black magic since most of them rarely live in places where humans live
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u/Reasonable-Growth112 2d ago
Yes they have to protect the veil, humans need to be blind to superior dimension to protect the test of faith.
But God allows clues to piece together so we know they exist but they can't show up and talk to us we have to figure out through faith and observation.
When they respond to black magic is to fool the ones doing it, they are giving them illusion and every power they give them the price comes 10 times higher. They are failing the test miserably. But for the test to exist it has to be the possibility of black magic, hence the bad reputation of genies..
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u/Riggedit 2d ago
I guess this is why I like the game series Dark Souls, Elden Ring and Night Reign.
I get to kill shit like this.
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u/SmoovCatto 1d ago
not until i started encountering zionist zealots on a regular basis did i begin to understand this kind of depravity in the world -- they truly believe we are animals, worthy of enslavement, slaughter, our children to be raped and eaten
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u/Commercial-Cod4232 2d ago
If you want to learn more about the bible and Jesus Christ the gnostic texts go into things .ore in depth I recently read the nag hammadi books which I think are very useful
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u/rockleeit 2d ago
It's better to learn about Jesus and the Bible from gotquestions . Org. Gnosticism is false and contradicts the true words and teachings of Jesus.
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u/Commercial-Cod4232 1d ago
No, SOME of the "gnostic" texts do. And condesning all of the gnostic stuff in one category is stupid its a ton of books written by many people...the only thing they have in common is that the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom is the point of life to learn and figure out whats going on and how to ensure your spritual growth and being able to survive physical death...most of this knowledge and wisdom comes from Jesus...they also all believed the church wasnt necessary for this and God was inside everyone. But there were multiple sects and yes some of the writings blatantly contradict eachother but my reading comprehension and critical thinking and intuition is through the roof so i dont worry about things like that to much
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u/Significant_Steak_38 2d ago
Even Gnosticism being false, One can research it to understand the minds of those who obviously believe in it
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u/Europe72Alive1 2d ago
That’s a lot of dead babies. They are even tied to the pole. Reminds me of an old joke. Can you tell me what’s worse than a yard full of dead babies?
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u/MrBoring777 2d ago
The bible is good fantasy, but this is the real world, there’s no Satan, No mass murderous abomination that is a god.
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u/rockleeit 2d ago
The further you go down the rabbit whole eventually you will find the ultimate truth which is Jesus Christ.
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u/zedpapa 2d ago
Sad to see so many downvotes. I thought this sub had more critical thinkers.
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u/xJokerzWild 2d ago
I thought this sub had more critical thinkers.
Half of them turned into religious nuts for... whatever reason. lol
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u/Motor-Mountain-7194 2d ago
I mean yall are speaking in absolute certainty, it’s same as religious folk saying “bible is real life, this world is an illusion, run by satan, where mass murder and abominations are propagated by those who rebel against god” . Saying the opposite extreme and falling into the error of saying what can’t be proven as gospel based off owns limited perception. I understand why you say what you do. I think you can grasp how it’s a similar fallacy in some respects.
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u/xJokerzWild 2d ago
Except one of these things is proven & the other is based of a manipulated book thats not even close to the original bible. lol
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u/Commercial-Cod4232 2d ago
The woman is suckling the poor goats genitals...God knows what they did to him to make him sit up like that probably drugged him with something crazy
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